Chemo June 2010
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Mybails, yes mine said the samething, I have ACx4 then T x12 once a week for 3 months, wow..lol then tomx for 5 years...we do what we need to do!!!! i hope your doing well?
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Back from chemo #2. My appointment was for 9:30. I finally got into the infusion suite at 1:00 and was ready to go home by 3:00. It was frustrating because most of the delay was all front office administrative stupidity. After getting my vitals checked I was told to go to billing. No one was there. Four of us waiting patiently. After 10 minutes I asked someone to page someone. Ten more minutes, I asked to speak to a supervisor. Eventually, the person sauntered in carrying her egg McMuffin and coffee and looked bewildered as if she couldn't understand why we were there. Then I found out I didn't even HAVE to go to billing! I DID take the time to talk at length to the supervisor saying that EVERYONE should have sensitivity training. These are chemo patients, some are SICK, don't inconvenience them further. There aren't enough chairs, and they are dirty. My poor DH was ready to blow a gasket. Well, they are going to wish I was on a shorter chemo regimen than CMF, because I am going to be a pain their you know what for about 5 months! Okay, that rant made me feel better. I'm happy to be home settling in with my dried fruit and juice spritzers. No SE yet and they better not show up or I'll nail them with one of these many prescriptions I have on hand! I hope all of you brave ladies are having a calm, SE-free day.
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Designermom - I am sorry to hear about your pain in the a$$ day at chemo. How frustrating. I'm glad you're home now!
I am on day 3 and feeling more sore this time from the Neulasta shot I got yesterday (than 2 weeks ago). I am resting today and just working from home. My customers have been really kind to me, which is nice. I have been feeling kind of queasy, so I'm taking the Zofran on top of the Emend. And I'm eating something every 2-3 hours and drinking water & Gatorade. My temp has been cooler than normal (97.3 - 97.8). Anyone else have that? My blood pressure was low yesterday, too (99/67).
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DM, im glad your home safe tonight.. i just got home as well # 2 AC i still wonder how ill get thru 14 more treatments....I pray we all have no SE's im sorry for your chemo room, as u know im not thrilled with my ONC i choose to do the tx at the hospital cause they have been so wonderful!!!! i hope it gets better for you over there!!!! if not kick some A$$!!!!
kittycat, i pray you do much better around this time, im worried for my shot tomorrow..lol im just plain worried!!!!
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Hi all... it's been a few days and I am just catching up with all the activity
2nd chemo (FEC 100) was 7 days ago. Port installation surgery 4 days ago.
I had some really rough days. No nausea, but dizzy, sore and so weak. My hair is about all gone now. I am getting good at tying scarves up into head wraps. I have terrible burps and heartburn.
It's hard to look in the mirror to see a person I barely recognize. I have been spending time mostly at home, but yesterday and today, a few friends or relatives have dropped by. I was reluctant to have people see me with my head scarves, but people have been wonderful... or they lie really well and tell me I look great!
Tomorrow, my oldest daughter comes home....she just finished university and I haven't seen her in two months. I am a little nervous about her seeing my new look. She's a sweetie, and she's been told what to expect, but still....
DesignerMom: I love your attitude! You will have that hospital re-organized soon!
Good luck Girls.... especially Cheyanna and others with chemo tomorrow
NorthernGirl
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Hi Gals, My count was up today so I had FEC #2. So far no bad effects. I feel confindent with the med changes that this will be easier to do. 2 down, 4 to go. Designer Mom and Chey, hope all is well with you and any others having treatment this week. Be strong, we can do this!
Blessings, Mimi
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Thanks for all the cheerleading. You guys always perk me up. Still feeling pretty good...probably the Kytril I got during chemo. I'm hoping the SE stay AWAY!
Hey Kitty- As your BP was low yesterday and your temp is low, I bet you are dragging. I'm wondering if it has to do with your red cells getting clobbered. Maybe try boosting your protein? Isn't someone out there grillin' a steak? Heck, with your weather just throw it on a sidewalk! It would be worth a try. I know it helps sometime. Hang in there
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Designer Mom and Cheyenna - you are my heroes! Taking the AC treatment. I am really praying you do not suffer with SE's on that treatment.
Mimi - just noticed that you are on my new treatment plan FEC so I will be very interested to learn what I can from you and what to expect.
When I had my appointment with onc this week I forgot to tell everyone that when I got back to the room, the girl really quizzed me about my birthdate and what my name was. When I asked the reason, she said that someone had put down that I weighed 271 pounds at my previous visit (I only weigh about half that). She said when she called my name in the waiting room and I stood up, she just knew she had the wrong patient. LOL! It's always something I say!
Designer Mom - do not cut them any slack. You and your insurance are paying big $$ and you are the patient. Somehow I'm not really worried that you need this pep talk.
Hope everyone feels good enough to enjoy the weekend. Until next week ---------
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kittycat - low blood pressure is a known SE. try drinking more (as if we aren't already drinking huge quantities...) and upping protein, and eating small meals regularly, but it sounds like you are already doing that.
cheyenna - we are on the same treatment plan, but i am almost one tx ahead of you - i go for my 3rd AC on Monday.
anyone have really sore palms on their hands? mine feel really tender - i screwed up a sheet of paper into a ball and felt like it was made of glass...
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Julie2
I am on TC and am 12 days out from my first chemo and still have my hair. The stats I read is that 80% of people lose their hair, so I'm bracing myself. My Dr and PA both said I WILL lose my hair. If not from the first tx for sure by second one.....
Bought a wig but am not happy w/ it. i found another one on the internet and have decided to go ahead and get it. Also, I've been shopping Talbots on line --they are having their summer sale. They have gorgeous scarves and very sassy hats. Still a bit pricy but I'm going to splurge--after all how often do we lose a full head of hair. If by some remote chance I don't lose it, I have decided to donate them to an organization in my area. Will be the best donation I've ever made!!!
HUGS & PRAYERS TO ALL!!
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Hello Ladie:
I am getting into this a bit late. Started chemo on June 10 - AC/T dose dense - so I am doiing my third treatment this week.
Here are some things that helped me. Make sure they give you Ememd on the day of treatment - it really helps. Also, take the med befroe you feell the nausea- especially the Zofran.
The week after chemo I can barely move. I am off for three days adn then go to work, but I think I am going to take the fourth day off, since I have the sick time.
The week ater chemo NOTHING appeals to my appetitie, so I eatwhatever I can get into my system. Mac and cheese has become a staples. I also have started eating a small piece of beef (organic) becasue it seems to give me energy. Of becasue I had really gotten away from beef. Ensure has been greaat becasue I owrry about weight loss. SOmetimes I mix it with coconut milk (which has less glucose) and ffruit into a smoothie.
Ask yourdocs for sleeping pills - you really need to get sleep (unless you are not working and can nap all day) and you can deal with the withdrawal issues later.
On constipation , I use stool softeners twice a day and they really help.
The week after chmo I can't stand water, so Vitamin Water and Gatorade help.
Nosebleeds just staerted - yikes!- frm loss of nose hairs I guess, so I need to ask my onc aobut that.
Hang in there - especially you AC/T ladies -it's a drag, but we'll get through together.
ToniH
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NorthernGirl- I also have the burps and acid reflux... I chew tums every couple hours and drink seltzer water. It helps.
KittyCat- you might also try "Boost" it's an energy drink with vitamins and minerals and protein.
QUESTION: I realized in my mental fog, that I've accidentally taken an extra decadron, is that a big deal...?
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RS711
If you take the decadron twice a day, I would just skip the second dose today. It has a half life of over 50 hours so I wouldn't worry. You might be "flying " from the higher morning dose though. If you are worried, call the nurse or onc on call.
Sherry, I am on FEC X3, 3 weeks apart and Dx3 three weeks apart. My first one was rather unpleasant but the onc changed all of the SE meds and decrease the dexamethasone in half. So far today, I am feeling 100 % better that last time. Danialas, Algreach, and Trusting have this too so they may have more positve things to say. When do you start? It has to better since your onc knows how sensitive you are to these drugs.
Blessings, Mimi
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designermom: you go, girl!!!! tell those ladies at your center that they can trade places w/you anytime of the day & see how they feel if they received the same treatment you/others did!! 'designer' may be your talent & skill; but telling it like it is obviously comes in close to the top! hope you're feeling good today!
tina/latte/cheyenna: am on the dd AC x 4 & T x 12 regime, too. all of you are at least 1 treatment ahead of me---am scheduled for 2nd go next wednesday. at least this time i will have some kind of expectation as to what might happen afterwards. i was in the dungeon pit of sick bay for about 5 days, had to get 2 IV bags on 3rd day out & didn't really eat/drink until the evening of 4th day. only wanted mashed potatoes all week. but today i'm eating DOUGHNUTS this morning-----pure SUGAR!!! it's a rather defiant tactic in this ordeal, but I craved it this morning & went to doughnut shop! lovin it---or for the moment at least!
julie: although we're not on the same treatment plan, i'm at 10 days out & my hair is as thick as it's always been! keep thinking that maybe i'll be the 'extraordinare/'---and will keep the hair. HA HA.---but, i think most ladies say it drops dropping around the 14th day or so. haven't given in to making a wig purchase---i've ordered/bought several scarves & continue to go after the floppy & nice brimmed hats---am not a hat person, but neither am i a wig person we'd probably all agree that BC changes a lot about what we think we are & we find out a lot of new things about ourselves. so, i'm going to make sure i like the scarves & hats--altho still learning how to maneuver those dang scarves while practicing to make them look like the 'easy to do' pictures! HA
hope everyone has a great independence day weekend! and may the SE's get blown up with the fireworks !!!!!!!
deb
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Dsa--I have not had any vomiting, but feel a little nauseated most of the time. I get Zofran, decadron, Emend, and have compazine and ativan as "back-ups". Have needed all of them! I had 2nd tx on Monday, and today haven't had much nausea, but am so "out if it" I can hardly move! I just give into it and try not to stress about it. Hubby got me out for a shaky-legged little walk this morning, and that did feel good. My hair is REALLY falling out now. Started slowly on day 14, then yesterday started falling heavily. Luckily I'm too out of it to care much! Have a friend on stand by to buzz it, but might just have hubby do it with his trimmer. I don't think I'll wear my wigs much--plan on mostly hats and scarves--just need to learn how to tie them. My 22 yo dd is learning, and she is going with me to my 'look good feel better" class on Wed.
We all know we should be eating healthier, but at this point don't feel guilty about what you eat! Just eat whatever sounds/tastes good. I crave a certain pizza because its one of the few things I can taste! I do have some Ensure drinks on hand too, for those times I just don't care to eat. I like mashed potatoes too! And oatmeal.
I hope this next time goes easier for you! Its esp. important to get a lot of fluids due to the Cytoxan, so def. go in to get IVs, if needed!
Desingnermom--love your posts!
Toni30--good to hear from you! Good reminder about protein! Good luck with your 3rd tx!
Ok, off to "la-la" land again...
Take care!
T
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So I had a bit of a scare last night...My first AC treatment was 6/23. Did OK the first 3 days, then 2 horrible days that we think was a low blood pressure issue. Then great for 3 days. Got kind of tired Thursday night and seemed to have developed a lousy cold. Congested and coughing. Same on Friday with lots of fatigue- called the nurse. She said as long as no fever, no worries. Well last night all of a sudden I got totally flushed in the face, neck and chest. Bright red. Felt hot. Hubby took my temp amd it was 101.5. Called the dr and was told to go to the ER. By the time we get to the ER they take my temp and its down to 99.6. I drank two bottles of water on the way thinking maybe dehydration. They did blood work and chest xray due to the cough. All came back with the acceptable range. Sent me home with antibiotic.
I thought since it was so long since my treatment that I was out of the woods for anything else to happen. Silly me! Now I'm kind of freaking out that if I ended up with a fever already after my first treatment that it will only get worse from here. I'm really wiped out again today, so I'm laying low. Does anyone know if things get worse every time? I'm hoping not, because if it does, I'm in trouble!!
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tmarina- Hang in there! Like you said, just give in to it and rest. Know the SE won't last forever.
dsa outtahere- I love your suggestion to trade places with me for chemo and I'll do their job. I'm going to try that next time. My usual reply when people (far too often) say "we can't do that" is "no, no, no, we can put men on the moon, surely we can do THIS!"
Upon finding out about my 3 hour delay for chemo, my dear friend sent this and had me lol. Thought I'd share it. "Pretend you're in a third world country, and you took the packed bus with
the chickens in the aisle for 14 hours to get there, and slept overnight in
the courtyard in the rain. It will make the 3-hour wait more bearable.Or else bring a laptop and earbuds, and watch a movie. Better yet, make your
own. A re-make of The Terminator, called The Chemo-nator? "Love and prayers to you all!
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dsa -outtahere - are you taking emend? it really is a lifesaver as far as stopping nausea. by the way, my hair started falling out in huge chunks 4 days after my second treatment, but maybe you'll be the exception and keep yours :-) Annoyingly enough, I still need to shave my legs...
toni - about the nosebleeds - my onc said that it is because platelets are much lower with chemo, then you bleed more easily (she said also nose bleeds, and also vaginal spotting). apparently it is annoying but nothing to worry about and nothing you can do.
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Adding Toni, Workmother and Latte to my hero list for tolerating and getting through A/C treatments!
Mimi - I am doing the FEC every week for 12 weeks - no time off in between. Yet your timetable is different. I wonder if my dosage each time is much less, therefore the need to go every week. I don't care as long as it doesn't kick my tail like the A/C did.
As far as tasting and eating goes - my taster and appetite comes and goes depending on how I feel on any certain day. I eat whatever sounds good to me at the moment that I think won't make me sick. After all, it's only for a few weeks. I can start making better eating choices after I get through chemo. So far I haven't eaten THAT bad but I do crave french fries alot.
I am having a hard time staying asleep and this pattern has been going on for about a week or more now. I can go to sleep okay, but I wake up around 2:00 a.m. and can't go back to sleep. It takes 3 or 4 hours before I finally fall asleep again. I'm not sleeping during the day, so I don't know what it could be. I noticed someone mentioned asking doctor for sleeping aid, but my stars - don't I have enough pills to take? What do they give you to sleep?
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workmother, i had the same thing happen to me, 7 days later 100.5 i was a mess!! and scared to death!! everything came back normal,but thinking they are gonna find something else wrong with me, it has mad me worry for the next treatments.. i was scared to death to go back to ONC the get blood work again to make sure i was ready for last fridays #2 AC.. im in a panic all the time..i dont know how ill get through the next two with out the stress killing me!!! im sorry u went through the same thing... i pray your next one goes better..
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Sherry 9316 I asked them to recommend a sleeping pill and they recommended Restoril because it's not supposed to be addictive. It definitely helps. They also said they would try Ambien CR if that doesn't workl I agree = I wish I didn't have to take another medication. But sleep/rest is such an important ingredient in getting better, that I think it's worth considering. Toni
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Hi All,
I was wondering I had my first FEC chemo June 21 and then I had nausea,vomiting and fatigue x 3 days. Since then I have felt normal and have returned to a good level of activity including lots of high intensity exercise. However I have not started loosing my hair. It is day 13. Did the rest of you find it fell out gradually or in clumps all of a sudden. I am curious cause I want to be prepared. I have gotten a short hair cut. My head is itchy at times. What were your experiences with hair loss? I go for my next FEC July 12 :-( but it is one more treatment over with and one step closer to completion
Thanks,
Trusting
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cheyenna - my temp went down today but now its back at 99.5. Taking the antibiotics they gave me. Did your fever finally go away? I read your post about the doctor saying we get fevers and no coughs. Well, I have a cough too. They actually did a chest xray at the hospital last night because of the cough. But that came back clear. I have what feels like a really lousy cold. I'm all congested and stuffed in my head. I think the cough is really a drip down the back of my throat. I was so tired all day again today. Hoping I get some energy and feel better the next couple of days before I have to go for my 2nd treatment on Wed! How are you feeling so far from your 2nd treatment?
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Well I wimped out on having all my hair shaved off with clippers and went for a very sort sissor cut instead, about an inch long all over. I kinda like it, I look like somebodies little brother :-) If it starts dropping out in handfuls I'll buzz it. Day 13 and still no noticeable hair loss.
Tonight we went out to dinner so I could test drive my new 'do. The people at the next table were discussing the death of some mutual friend from BC. It was really disturbing and finally my husband asked them to change the subject, at which point they just lowered their voices. I think anyone would have found it inappropriate subject matter for the dinner table, recounting the last 4 hours of somebody's life in excruciating detail. Pretty gauche.
Julia
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Ladies, I haven't posted for awhile but sign in to follow along on your journeys.
Had first TCH on June 23rd. ( First Neulasta on June 30th.)
11 days out and I am debilitated by headache and stiff neck.
Am drinking water, smart-water, decaf green tea until I float. Don't think it's a hydration thing. Taking 500mg Tylenol q 6 hrs. Doesn't touch it.
Any suggestions? I looked this up on a SE site that said if you had headache and stiff neck you should go to the ER. Not about to do that unless the stiff neck part is an indication of something nasty that I'm not aware of.
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Hi Sherri - I also have problems sleeping - Like you, I go to sleep fine, then wake up at 1am wide awake and ready to start the day, and can't go back to sleep (it's not because I'm worrying or stressed - my body just doesn't seem to realize it needs more sleep). If you can take a sleeping tablet, i would definitely recommend it because we need to get enough sleep. I can't take anything because I am a single parent at home alone with a 2 year old, and I have to be able to wake up for her. But I try to sleep another 1-2 hours during the day, because I'm not working at the moment.
P.S. I'm glad to be on your hero list :-)
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Trusting, after my first FEC I had my head buzzed on day 12. The stubble didn't start falling out until day 14 and by day 21 I still had some that wasn't ready to fall out yet. I know it was early to buzz, by hey, I just couldn't stand the thought of watching ANY hair fall out.
My first FEC kept me awake the whole time. No rest, no naps, up at 3 am too. The onc decreased the steroid in half and all I have done is sleep this round. So much better! My heros are those with young children and going thru this! My late baby at 17 yrs old has been a tremendous help.
Sherry, yes, your dosage of chemo would be probably about a third of mine if you are getting it weekly. there are "lifetime dosages" of things like adria (epirubicin) that you get and no more. Perhaps getting it weekly will be easier on you. Good luck dear, I worry about you.
Mimi
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Looking for advice about low blood pressure. Bit of a scare this morning...while taking a shower I started getting really dizzy and losing vision. Whole body felt heavy and upper back hurt. Hubby helped me out and I laid down on the bed with the fan on for awhile. Still feel a little woozy when I move too much, so am taking it easy until hubby comes back from church (he's on duty ushering--I made him go!). I've also had a lot of chest congestion and a bad cough that started after my first ac tx. (2nd one was last Monday). The steroids made me feel better for a few days, but the cough and congestion are back now. I've been taking Nyquil at bedtime so I can sleep. Don't think I have a fever.
Might put a call in to the doc later, if this "wooziness" keeps up. Wonder if its just low blood pressure? Taking Adriamycin makes me nervous because it can cause heart trouble--so of course I'm worried about that!
Hair is coming out by the handfuls--been to tired to care, so haven't buzzed it yet. Maybe after hubby gets home. I was hoping to have a little "fun" with it, but now I just want it gone. Today will be the first time wearing a scarf out in public (if I make it out anywhere!).
Happy Independence Day!
Tina -
julia2- I agree, that is no discussion for the dinner table, especially in a public restaurant! I wish people were more sensitive. Our society seems to emphasize all the very bad things, even though they are statistically small. It's why the news is so dreadful, trainwrecks, explosions, airplane crashes. Logically, the likelihood of these things happening is SO small. Just know that the OVERWHELMING odds are in our favor to survive breast cancer and hold on to that knowledge. As my DH would say "why are there more horse's A$$es than horses"!
tmarina- I think you might want to call your Onc. I don't like that your chest is congested and you are coughing. Be careful about taking things like Nyquil, they may interact with chemo drugs? Also, they may mask symptoms if you have lung infection. When I asked my Onc if I could take Tylenol, she said yes, however always check your temperature BEFORE taking a dose to make sure you aren't running a temperature. Otherwise the Tylenol will supress the fever and you would not know. It seems such simple, logical advice, but it never occurred to me! Be sure to hydrate and boost your protein. That might help with the low blood pressure. You are in my prayers.
Today is two days after chemo #2. I'm a bit pooped. This time the Zofran isn't working quite as well on the nausea, but it is tolerable. I have Reglan too, but don't want to use it unless I really need to. This time the constipation is better, but boy am I going to up the stool softeners, that's a whole other uncomfortable story! I know I will probably perfect the whole digestion, constipation remedy......just as I finish chemo!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY AMERICA! May you live forever!
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Workmother, my fever is gone but i have been on antibiotics, if your counts were good i would assume that u do just have a cold and are fighting it off as normal.. i know its scary i worry for when im of antibiotics if it will return, i think we need to stay in and away from people.. when i went back in for blood counts the day before chemo #2 the were a bit higher but DR said it was normal do to the N shot i had got the day after first chemo..... I feek ok now just very tired, not sick at all, oh! i do get headaches from the compazine, my upper back hurts a bit as well as my throat but i noticed that happened after the first chemo, its better now!!! dont worry, i know its hard..
im so sorry we all have to go through this!!!! i have 14 more treatments and dont know how ill be able to to it!! November seems so far away!!! we just do i guess!!!
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