Newly Diagnosed Uncertain about my Treatment
I am newly diagnosed - in late May 2010. I had a lumpectomy two weeks ago and just got my pathology report back. They didn't clear the margins, so I am scheduled for an excision next week. I have a couple of questions - hopefully someone has insight. I have Invasive Lobular Carcinoma, Estrogen and Progesterone positive, negative nodes and my tumor was 2.5 cm - HER 2 negative in my right breast.
My surgeon did not get the entire tumor the first time. Prior to the lumpectomy I had wire guides put in, three to be exact because they weren't sure if they were in the right place and my breasts are very dense. My surgeon first removed a lump that wasn't cancer. He informed me that he looked under it and actually saw the cancer and removed it (lucky huh). He also indicated to me that he was surprised at the size of my cancer. It had been predicted as less than 1cm and ended up being 2.5 cm. When the pathology report came back and indicated that he didn't get it all, he sent me for an MRI of both breasts. Should I have asked for an MRI prior to surgery. Also, the result of my MRI shows a small "area of concern" on my left breast and my surgeon has a wait and see attitude toward it. My surgeon also is not sure if we need to do the Oncotype Dx yet. Also stated "maybe" chemotherapy and "probably" radiation. Am I missing something? This seems vague.
I am concerned - I just found this website - had my head in the sand for a month. To be honest I don't have alot of confidence in my surgeon - maybe this is unfounded. Questions I have:
Should I have had the MRI prior to my first surgery?
Should I request the Oncotype Dx test right now?
Is this a good time to look for another doctor that I may be more comfortable with?
Maybe all of this is ok and I'm just feeling powerless and irrational. I am looking for any insight you with experience may have.
Thanks!
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I'm not sure if your surgeon is trying to do most conservative surg or just not very good. Are you sure your nodes are (-)? They don not always know. Did you have a sentinel node or how were yur nodes evaluated.? Imaging does not always show the whole picture and surgery does not always remove all or correct tissue. I would consider getting another opinion and make sure you take all info and all reports with you when you go. If you have insurance you can get another opinion paid for by a provider on your list. It is hard to get it together but you must be proactive instead of reactive in order to make decisions and research everything you can in advance and during. I am a healthcare worker in a Breast Imaging Center and a BR CA Survivor and I know how much technology and surgery can do but not all is great. Getting the MRI now is good but even it is not completely reliable but is a good test to do at anytime. I would not wait and see on the left breast. Have a biopsy done of that ASAP and find out before you make anymore surgery decisions. I would also find a really good BREAST CENTER that has a GOOD CANCER TUMOR BOARD and ask for more opinions. Get active and help yourself as much as you can. This is a lot to process but the sooner the better. I had a double mast but my cancer was 3.5 cms and 5 nodes involved. There was also 2 areas of pre cancer in good breast that MRI did not show. My surgeon did not want to do all that surgery at first but as more info was gotten from test and my detective work she agreed with my decision as being the best to do. Hope this helps. LOL,gin2ca
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Michigan
we have the exact same dx-- I had a 2.5 lobular, no nodes, clear margins, lumpectomy, chemo, radiation and hormonals.
Whether he/she should have done an MRI before doesnt' matter so much now, but I know my surgeon was not doing surgery without a full MRI of both of my breasts. Get the MRI now--- because an area of concern on the other breast is something you will want to deal with now, not later.
I agree with gin, get to a major cancer center--- are you in Ann Arbor? UMich has a good one I think. If you don't like the surgeon, find another one--- make sure to get copies of every single record.
It is not uncommon for the lumps to be larger at pathology than at the MRI--they estimated mine at 1.2 and it was 2.5---- the oncotype test will be so very worth it for you as well. It can really help you make a treatment decision. Generally, they recommend radiation and hormonal drugs after a lumpectomy--- and you can of course decline any and all treatment. The unknown is chemo--will it help? will it hurt? the oncotype test gives you some good data about your type of tumor and your data..
Lobulars tend to grow slowly--- I wouldn't get to far ahead here, but I would say get another opinion..... you want the clear margins so you can take the next step.
Finally, I want you to know that I am about 18 months out of diagnosis and over a year out of treatment and I am just fine.... and I was pretty fine through most of the treatment. Please feel free to PM me if you have more questions or need any help.
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You've gotten good advice from the previous posters. I had an MRI of both breasts 5 days after my dx - this is standard protocol where I am. I ended up having more biopsies (was trying to decide if lump or mx was best and whether both breasts were involved) before my actual surgery. I was supposed to have a lump but the MRI indicated I had a "busy" breast and I ended up having a mx. It was a good decision because I ended up with 4 areas of tumors and if I'd gone with the lump I would have had to go back for an MX. My point in telling you this is get as much info as possible before you do any more surgery so you only have to go through the surgery "stuff" once (or twice in your case since you are going back for an excision). I would highly recommend the Oncotype DX (but you don't have to do it before surgery just before other treatment begins) and also, did you have a sentinal node biopsy done? I think this would be important as well. You have time so now is the time to find a surgeon you are comfortable with. Another thing, you said your doctor said you "might" need rads - my understanding of lumpectomies is that you would then need rads in order to have the best outcome (unless you have anohter health issue that might suggest otherwise.).
Good luck and sending hugs! Kim
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Thank you for your replies, they are helpful. To further clarify my diagnosis:
I did have a sentinal node biopsy and my nodes were negative and I do have to have radiation.
I live in rural northern michigan and am a long way from a major cancer center. I've decided I am going to have my current surgeon perform the excision, I am going to request the Oncotype dx test be done, and possibly get a second opinion then, if I still have concerns.
In retrospect I think that my surgeon is doing a good job, just a bit on the conservative side.
Again, thank you for your posts, this board is amazing. I'm overwhelmed by the amount of information and helpful people willing to share their experiences.
Thanks again.
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I opted for a mastectomy because there was something lurking that they recommended a follow up in 6 months. I had ILC about the same size as yours and no nodes. I had an MRI on the other breast that showed nothing so they wouldn't remove it at the time of my mastectomy. I had the onco with a score of 15 so did not do chemo. Due to the mastectomy I did not do rads. A year out I had my MRI and they thought they saw a .09 spot in my other breast and dug it out while shooting me in and out of the MRI machine. Turned out to be nothing...told them to take the breast off because I wasn't going thru that every year. I lasted 3 years on the Tamoxifen and Aromatase inhibitors due to the side effects. I am 5 yrs out. ILC is the insidious BC as far as detection. It only makes up about 16% of breast cancers and until recently has been treated like all other breast cancers. We now know it's different. Get the onco test done and have an MRI on the other breast...These will give you the information you need to make your decisions.
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Hi Michigan,
It sounds like you are developing your plan of action. My only suggestion is that if you haven't already you really need to setup an appointment with a medical oncologist to discuss the oncotype testing, chemo, radiation and medical treatment plan in general. Those are all the areas of expertise for an oncologist not a surgeon. After my first BC dx I met with the medical oncologist following my initial excisional bx so we could review the tumor pathologies and determine treatment strategy re: chemo, rads and hormonals.
Knowing the type of BC and pathology you have is important in deciding the need for further more aggressive surgery vs breast conservation. While a surgeon can usually tell you what he recommends surgically, the medical oncologist can use her experience in treating specific BC types to determine the best possible approach both surgically and medically for you. I found it very helpful to meet with the oncologist before my final surgical process.
Since you do not live near a cancer center you may want to get references for a good oncologist in an area that you would be willing to travel to for frequent visits or chemo if that ever becomes a future necessity. Lobular cancer is difficult to detect. You are actually lucky it was found as small as it is since often Lobular tumors are not found until much later. The "wait and see" suggested for the other breast area should also be something you discuss with an oncologist to see if that is a reasonable approach.
My personal experience was that I had a Lobular BC growing in the opposite breast the whole time I was being treated for a Invasive Ductal BC. Over 5 years of 3 month checkups and annual mammograms yet the lobular was never detected until it was large enough to be felt on exam. Breast MRI is definitely the better choice for women with dense breast or already known history of Lobular cancer. If an experienced medical oncologist feels comfortable with the "wait and see" approach I would just make sure the plan is to get MRIs for monitoring the breasts on a regular schedule.
If it helps, I am now 10 years out from my Invasive Ductal BC dx and will be 5 years out this Nov from a very nasty locally advanced Lobular BC diagnosis. I am still NED and doing great! Finding the right medical professionals is one of the most important tasks you will be faced with during this whole journey.
Wishing you the best.
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