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Marly
Marly Member Posts: 70

By way of introduction in this world of ours...

I had a lump. Left breast, near nipple. A big lump. It itched. I went to the gyn, who hustled me to the surgeon for biopsy. The doctor sent the tissue to Yale laboratory. The report came back and the surgeon said, "benign atypical papilloma." I was ecstatic. Benign means "nothing to worry about" in my world.

On May 11, I had a lumpectomy. The incision is tiny, a little semicircle around the areola, and all healed now. The lump went back to Yale. It took a long time for the report to come back. On June 8 I saw the surgeon, who said I have DCIS, stage I, with not good margins. He said, ""Benign' means 'curable.' This is not bad news," and told me I have two options: one is to have a little more breast fat removed and radiation afterward...five days a week for five weeks; the other is to have all the breast fat removed...a mastectomy (which I guess is referred to here as "MX") with no lymph nodes removed, no radiation afterward.  He said this is preventive...to keep the semi-abnormal cells from turning nasty down the road...and we don't know how long that road is, or when they'll turn.

Reconstruction is the furthest concern from my mind right now.

I have pretty well settled on telling the doctor on 6/24 that I want the MX, and sentinel node biopsy ...if that's still possible...and anything else we can throw at this to MAKE IT GO AWAY!

I'll be 59 in a couple of weeks. I'm trying to stay calm, but the more I read, the more niggling little panics start working in my head. My doctor recommended a book, "Living Through Breast Cancer," and I bought a copy...I have flipped through it. He said the book would contain a lot of information that doesn't apply to me because I have a slow-growing cancer. 

I started assembling questions to ask him, the answers to which I expect will support my conclusion that I want a MX. But I'm here to read and try to figure out how I can be SAFE in the future.

I keep coming back to: We are all going to die, and this is what will kill me...eventually.  Sometimes I'm mellow about that and sometimes it scares the crap outta me. 

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  • hopeful34
    hopeful34 Member Posts: 1,569
    edited June 2010

    Marly- I am so sorry to hear about your diagnosis.  There is good news though.  I have done my fair share of research lately too since I just got diagnosed in April and the five year survival rate for DCIS is 100%.  That is not to say that you only have five years, but that is all the longer they go out on this data.  You should get on cancer.org if you haven't.  I too was worried this is an eventual death sentence, and after reading more and more, I see that it is not at all.  As you can see I am stage 1 IDC and the stats are pretty similar for my survival rate.  I had a bilateral mastectomy w/ immed. reconstruction (tissue expanders) on May 21st and I feel much better than I thought I would after such a big surgery.  I know it might not seem like it now, but once you have a plan in place, (type of surgery, hormone status, etc.) it will further put your mind at ease.  There are so many women on this site that have helped me tremendously.  My doctor gave me a list of trustworthy sites (susan komen, cancer.org, and breastcancer.org...here).  Try not to look too much up elsewhere, because it will just scare you.  Anyway, I am sorry for rambling, but if you have any questions, this is the place to get answers from all types of people and different experiences.  I hope everything turns out okay for you as I am sure it will.  Feel free to PM if you need anything.  Take Care!  Allison

  • Marly
    Marly Member Posts: 70
    edited June 2010

    Allison, thank you! 100% is a good number, and music to my ears.

    I guess I need to ask for a copy of the pathology report. I read parts of it when I last saw the doctor, but I don't know some of the important answers to the profile questions.

    So....the reconstruction...all that "under the chest muscle" stuff....wasn't excrutiating? 

  • hopeful34
    hopeful34 Member Posts: 1,569
    edited June 2010

    I won't lie and say it's a walk in the park, but no where near as bad as I had anticipated.  I have my days, but it's definitely do-able.  My husband even said to me that he thought I would be bed ridden for at least a week or too, and that was not the case at all.  I am still healing, but I feel I made the right choice.   For me, I am such a worrier anyway, that the surgery was worth it, just to put my mind at ease.  I also read that for people with early-stage cancer that the lumpectomy vs the mastectomy was only 3% difference as far as reoccurance.  So, I guess what I am saying is you definitely want to talk to your doctor about all of your options.  I took my mom and a tape recorder with me to my surgeon appointment so that I would remember everything.  And, believe me I did go back and listen to it, so I was glad I taped it.  Another thing, leave a notebook out, so when you think of questions (no matter how silly they might seem) write them down and take them to the doctor with you.  This is not an easy choice and you want to make sure you get all of your questions answered.  I went to the doctor with sooooo many questions.  You should look in the DCIS forum on here too.  There you can talk to people with your exact diagnosis.  Another thread on here that made me feel better while I was waiting was the inspiring stories thread.  Try to avoid reading too much on the other threads until you know for sure what you are dealing with, as it tends to make you worry more (or at least for me it did.)  Again, if you need anything at all you can PM me as well.  Good luck and I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.  Allison

  • RobinLM
    RobinLM Member Posts: 143
    edited June 2010

    hi Marly

    Sorry to hear about your diagnosis, but you have definitely come to the right place. I was dx'd with LCIS a couple of months ago and am opting for a double mastectomy - not the recommended option here in the UK - but right for me. It is very scarey and stressful - but you will find hearts of gold throughout this website. Reading the experience of others and receiving support from each other is fantastic.

    I'd agree with Allison, avoid reading some of the threads at the moment - definitely makes you worry more. I went to all my appointments armed with a page of questions and a blank sheet to jot things down. 

     I regularly go to the June 2010 Mastectomy thread..... girls on there are just great. Good luck with making your decisions - you are not alone Smile

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited June 2010

    Marly - you need to get a copy of your pathology report, and then take the time to learn what it says - which is difficult and confusing but do-able.

    I'm confused as to your diagnosis.  You say you have DCIS, Stage 1.  That's a contradiction in terms.  DCIS is a non-invasive cancer, sometimes referred to as a pre-cancer.   Therefore, as long as it's all DCIS, it's Stage 0.  DCIS - Ductal Carcinoma in situ.  The in situ means it remains contained within the milk ducts and has not yet evolved to the point that it can break through the wall of the duct and involve other tissue....it can't yet spread.  So, as long as it's all removed, you're NOT going to die of this.  (Unless you get an invasive recurrence...you should discuss all this and the relevant precentages with your Dr.)

    Stage 1 refers to the earliest stage of an invasive cancer, usually Invasive Ductal Carcinoma (IDC), sometimes Invasive Lobular Carcinome (ILC), there are probably other kinds. Is that actually what you have, or is it a typo?

    That said....DCIS comes in different Grades: Grade 1, Grade 2, Grade 3.  If yours is a slow growing type, you probably have Grade 1.  Grade 3 is aggressive and Grade 2 is in-between.

    My understanding is that in most cases, and you should discuss this with your Dr., lumpectomy + radiation gives you about the same risk of recurrence that a mastectomy does.  Those percentages will vary with a woman's specific pathology, and I strongly urge you to understand exactly what your pathology is, what it means, and what your recurrence risks are with each type of treatment.

    Mastectomy does not eliminate the recurrence risk completely, it will be minimal though - something like 1-2% if I remember correctly.  Lumpectomy (radiation may or may not be needed) might bring you very close to the same risk as with mastectomy - let's say it's still a bit higher, maybe 4%.  ASK YOUR DR.

    I just think having a mastectomy should be a really informed decision, not something any woman ever does out of haste and fear.  Sure, sometimes it's the best course of action.  But you can't undo it.

    Since you're listing your diagnosis as DCIS, Stage 1 (which doesn't make sense to me); I can only think you're not at the point yet where you really understand what's going on, what your choices are, and what it all means.   Please, please understand what exactly is happening in your body before you decide how you want to approach treatment.

  • laurakay
    laurakay Member Posts: 109
    edited June 2010

    You're going to be fine, either way you go.  You have a completely curable thing here.  If you don't need a mx it would probably be less overwhelming to have the lumpectomy and radiation, especially after you consult someone, who I'm sure will reassure you that even if the chances of recurrence are higher than with mx, mortality isn't!  I had mx because the dcis was all through a small breast, so I had no choice.  Like you, I was sure I was going to die, and lost about three months of sleep with all this, and I feel really good now, and I assure you you will, too.  It's life-changing, that's for sure, but definitely not life-ruining!!  Or death!!  Be thankful you were so vigilant and got it caught SO EARLY!!  All will be well!!  It sounds like you're at a great place, too, at Yale?  I hope you have some doctors who can give you all your options spelled out.  I rushed into a bilateral mx, but, despite the fact that really I did NOT think it out that well, just acted in panic and haste, I'm pretty happy, and my recons going well.  So--I mean, that's kind of your worst case scenario, and I am a vain sissy, a born pessimist, the biggest worrier on the planet, and I'm okay!  You'll be so much better!  In a few months, you'll have passed through this fire and feel calm and like yourself again, and you won't have to worry about breast cancer, because they'll have gotten it out of you because you caught it early.

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited June 2010

    Like everyone, sorry you signed up for the club.  But now that you are here, take deep breathes.  As my onc and surgeon both said, this DCIS stuff, this is not going to kill you.

    first and most important thing, if what you have is DCIS [and sweaty spice is correct in her assessment of Grade versus Stage], you have ample time to research, think and make decisions.  Even if you have grade 3 DCIS [like I had] there is no need to rush.

    second, Research EVERYTHING.  Not just reoccurance rates but all the information you might need about radiation, MX, reconstruction, etc.  For example, you say your doctor said with MX there would be no radiation.  My understanding is that is not always true and that is something they can't really tell you until its over.  In some cases, women with MX still have to have Zaps.  If Zaps scare you, you should know that many many women go through them with little or no side effects.

    Third, Get a Second opinion on your diagnois, on what to do, on everything.  Even if you love your breast surgeon, take your papers and go see another one. And if you are even slightly inclined to MX --or if you are small on top and concerned about how you will look post surgery---see at least one plastic surgeon who specializes in breast reconstruction BEFORE you make your final decision.  Breast surgeons are great but they aren't plastic surgeons.  They don't know the gory details of plastic surgery like how all the types of reconstruction each have their own impact on your life.

    Finally, Breath deep.  It will be alright.

  • hopeful34
    hopeful34 Member Posts: 1,569
    edited June 2010

    I totally agree with the other ladies.  Definitely make sure you see a plastic surgeon prior to making any big decisions.  My (BS) Breast Surgeon referred me to one within days of seeing her for the first time.  The (PS) Plastic surgeon showed me pictures of reconsruction, explained the process to me and put my mind at ease.  If you were to go with MX with recon., you will deal with the PS far more than the BS anyway. Also, as the other ladies said, you don't need to rush into a decision either.  I had almost two months between my first visit and surgery and my tumor being grade three even, only grew .6 cm.  I was worried it was growing like crazy, and that was not the case at all.  Anyway, keep us updated and again if you need anything at all, feel free to ask.  Allison

  • Marly
    Marly Member Posts: 70
    edited June 2010

    I will call and get a copy of the pathology report. I read a couple of paragraphs of it, and I'm sure the doctor said Stage I and very firmly told me "DCIS." I fear my BS errs on the side of sparing my feelings and not scaring me.

    So yes. Pathology report.

  • Lovegolf
    Lovegolf Member Posts: 513
    edited June 2010

    You will get to the other side.  I was where you are in april-May of 09.  what everyoe has said is great advise.  Once you know what the plan is you will feel better.  I am over a year out and doing great. You will get there too.

  • lymphtherapist
    lymphtherapist Member Posts: 57
    edited June 2010

    I am newly diagnosed, however, as a certified lymphedema therapist I have a different view of how I am proceding with treatment.  I have indicated to my surgeon, since i have DCIS, I only want wide excision of the area with large clear margins, as close to 10 mm as possible, no sentinal node biopsy , no radiation, no reconstruction. Will be vigilant with mammo's.  I do not want to alter the architecture of my axilla as this leads to issues later on that someone like me has to treat. I am however, considering tamoxifen for I am premenopausal.  I won't remove my ovaries.  I will follow up with gynocological checkups, eye checkups, and blood work up for clotting factor and liver function.

  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited June 2010

    Good thing you have some time to read up, ask questions, and explore your options

    You might want to consider getting a second opinion.  That "DCIS, Stage 1" sounds odd to me too.  Did the DCIS have an invasive or infiltrating component to it?  I have not heard of radiation following a re-excision of DCIS either.  Also, benign means non-malignant (non-cancerous,) and with non-malignant there would be nothing to cure. 

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    Here's some info. from an article yesterday from Associated Press:

    "A study in last month's Journal of the National Cancer Institute said nearly one-quarter of breast tumors found by mammograms may be overdiagnosed. That includes invasive cancer, but also a common milk-duct growth called DCIS, or ductal carcinoma in situ.

    DCIS isn't invasive cancer and isn't life-threatening; it's described as "stage zero" cancer or even pre-cancer. But it is a risk factor for later developing invasive disease, and many of the 50,000 DCIS cases a year get the same care as women with outright early cancer.

    Research is examining when and how to scale back aggressive DCIS care. At UCSF, Dr. Shelley Hwang is testing whether hormone drugs such as tamoxifen allow DCIS patients to avoid surgery altogether.

    A colleague, Dr. Karla Kerlikowske, this spring reported tumor markers that suggest up to 44 percent of DCIS patients might skip aggressive treatment. A government panel last year even urged removing the word "carcinoma" from the name, to lessen fear"

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    Mastectomy is an aggressive option, but we are all faced with making choices that we are most satisfied with.  Get as much info. as you can, and good luck reaching your decision.

  • Marly
    Marly Member Posts: 70
    edited June 2010

    I'm NOT Stage I, I'm Stage 0! And it is GRADE 1!  I heard the doctor wrong, or remembered what he'd said wrong, which led me to all kinds of confusion. Stage 0 is absolutely not invasive...the cells are incapable of "invading." They are stay-at-homes.

    As far as I'm concerned, that all translates to as good as it gets. Completely enclosed (and gone, almost, now) and as slow-growing as it gets.

    The subtype is papillary, which only occurs in a very small percentage of cases.

    I might or might not have the BRCA gene, but it doesn't much matter because now the breast will be gone, and the ovaries are already gone (had a total hysterectomy in 2002 for fibroids and pathology found that the cells were just beginning to "turn") and the fact that this tumor got so big and didn't turn invasive indicates a likelihood that any cancer I might grow in the other breast would also be slow-growing and we would have plenty of time to catch it. (Did I mention I hadn't had a mammogram for seven years before I found this lump?)

    I had bought the book he had recommended, and I brought it with me, all underlined and notated, and told him I hadn't dared open it for three days. He said it looked as if I had read it thoroughly. I said once I was ready, I was ready, and had read it thoroughly ...that I had had to get past the horror factor..."and my husband..." I shook my head and teared up. "My husband is so good. I married a wonderful man (now the tears were flowing) .....and I made him better."

    The bad margins were right IN the nipple, so that has to go. I told the doctor if the nipple's gone, to me, there is no breast, so I would choose a mastectomy for that reason. And for the avoidance of radiation, which better preserves options for reconstruction down the road. And if the other breast has to go at some future point, I reason, then I can consider reconstruction. For now, I'm comfortable not having more surgery. 

      
    I will be on some kind of medication probably....Tamoxifen or something else that I can't remember. I'll see Dr. S. every 3 months for 5 years, then every 6 months for 3 years...mammograms on the other side still only once a year.

    So we left it that surgery for simple mastectomy with sentinel node biopsy would be scheduled for mid-July. I'm rethinking that, though, because there's a meeting at work that I need to attend on July 21, and I might make it for mid-August instead.

    Two weeks' recovery time. I'm feeling pretty good....it is having A Plan that makes all the difference.

  • Catherine
    Catherine Member Posts: 305
    edited June 2010

    It's a very personal decision.  Seven years ago I had DCIS stage 0.  I had a lumpectomy and I'm doing fine.  My aunt had the same thing and chose to have a double mastectomy.  You have to decide what seems best to you, along with the doctor's advice.  Hang in there!  It will get better.

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