June 2010 Mastectomy
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July 1st for me !!
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MistyJ - I was thinking I would need to be the first to bring up the OTHER C word - constipated. Yikes! That was my major challenge during five months of chemo. Was ALMOST back to somewhat normal, and now again - because of the pain meds. One of my nurses suggested WARM prune juice followed by ALL the water you could pour down your throat. I have pretty much just has broth and juice before/post surgery. But, I need to start eating solids.
Lizzy - you are a beacon to me! WOW! Love your drive. I am just pretty much doing my laps around my condo, and the exercises to ward off bloodclots.
J Smiley! - Thank you for being the keeper of the calendar and updates. That was one of my visuals, seeing my name with the word DONE!
Joystart - how are you doing?
I have been pretty much sleeping through the night - thanks to the itchies and then the benadryl (sorry about spelling). Drains are ok, I am trying to be POSITIVE and think of them as a good thing, but they do give me angst. I think my pain "ball" will come off tonight of tomorrow! I have an appt with my oncologist today to review the complete pathology. She has been with me since the date I discovered I had BC. She shared the news with me just before surgery she is relocating and moving to Denver. I sat in her office and cried like a baby. I just get so attached to people, and now more than ever. I do not have a final solution yet, buy may stay with her associate for consistency. I went to a OC in Seattle to get a 2nd opinion, and REALLY like her. So - I may still decide to see her, even though she is 300 miles away. That just seems silly, when there are GREAT OC's in Portland. Hummm.
Ladies - I am SO thankful to be where I am on the journey. I woke up this morning, (with some pain, and drains), but felt such gratitude. Such a relief to have surgery behing me. THANK you to each of you for your inspiration!
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Hi all, so far so good, Still in quite a bit of pain, so taking the pain meds every 4 hours. Also taking the muscle relaxer at night. Drinking tons of liquids and eating well. Also taking my Senna. Started drinking prune juice and eating prunes yesterday as yes, I bet you can all guess - I am constipated. Something I was trying very hard to avoid.
Today is 4th day past surgery, started to get a little worried. I am walking around the house several times a day, going up an down stairs to try and get the system going again. Anyone have any other helpful tips? I know the pain meds are causing this, so I am eating as much fiber as I can. With the ooph, I am trying hard not to strain as the stomach area is sore as well. But there is a definite belly bloat going on.
My first post op appt is next Tuesday 6/29. Two of my four drains are hardly doing anything. Less than 10 cc's each. The other two are still in the mid-20's. For those that have had drains removed, what was the cc output down to when they got removed?
I got my tissue expander card when I was discharged and was surprised at the size of the expanders, they were 400 cc's, and originally surgeon was talking about 300's. Oh well, guess there was room for the bigger ones. Looks like there is a small amount in each one too.
Hope everyone continues to heal who is done, and for those waiting - good luck!
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Good morning, all-
Yes, constipated is the word!!!!!! I cannot believe people use these drugs recreationally!!!! Gadzooks! I have barely had any action there and I am going to join JSmiley in announcing today is my day to address that issue! This is unbelievable!
I am tired today...think I did too much with visitors yesterday,
J-I would love to see my name with "done" next to it even though I am Monday-morning quarterbacking! I did not realize we had this thread until I happen to see it in active one night.
Don't forget temps, vitamins, calcium with some extra D won't hurt and to be happy
Circe- I am so sorry to learn your OC is moving on. It is tough especially b/c we are so vulnerable with this disease. I would have cried, too! question for you: are there certain exercises you were prescribed for circulation and, if so, could you share those with me?! Just wondering because I know you mention that specifically.
Good day, girls...every day is progress-
Liz
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So - about the drains. Two on each side. I am having a hard time getting comfortable with these things under my shirt. The place were I had surgery put me in a post surgery bra. It is tight - supposed to be. The straps have a place to hook the drain tubes. Then I have tape around each one at the bottom with there numbers. I use the tape and a big safety pin to pin them to the inside of my shirt. I have two front button shirts. But the tubing is hitting my stomach. And my stomach is sore from the ooph scars. I thought about having the drains pinned to the outside of my shirt - but that looks weird. I still can't get normal pants on - to much belly swelling - so have been in my pj bottoms since the day I got home.
What are you all doing with these drains? I am trying to figure out what to do next Tues when I go to see the doctor. I also go in next Wednesday for onc appt, blood draw, and Herceptin treatment. I would be quite the site walking in how I look now, pj bottoms and all.
On the positive side - my hair is coming back nicely and my scalp is almost covered now. It looks kind of like Sinead O'Connors hairdo. Not bad for 8 wks PFC.
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Stlcards-
I have 4 drains as well. Get a long roll of ace bandage maoterial, double it up and make yourself a scarf. I simply safety pin the drains to the end of the ace bandages on both sides. It is sort of like wearing a scarf with 2 heavy ornaments on the end! I have been fine with it, sleeping in my bed etc.. so try it. I hope it works.
I have a PS appt on Tuesday. I am wearing a large man's button up shirt with a tank under and the ace bandage set up but I will, becuase I am going out, pin the drains and the ace bandage to my tank, on my sides, so the jokers are not flying around!
Good luck..I hope these solutions help you-
Liz
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I was told by my surgeon to start taking Senekot the night of my surgery, and for the next 2-3 days after, just as I did with chemo. I had no issues with constipation at all, and I only took one in the evening and one in the morning. I gather some docs forget that this is not an unusual problem with meds at surgery, so they fail to mention it.
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Circe-I totally have not had a problem eating solids
! In fact I ate homemade mac and cheese, cheese grits and turkey and cheese grilled at the hospital.....in hind site...yeah the cheese on everything may not have been the best of my ideas....but it sure tasted good! My surgeon has me on Miralax, Senna and colace. I am still constipated. Going on 3 days now and about to burst! Eating tons of fiber and drinking water too. I talked to the nurse today who told me to take some Milk of magnesia to kick start it.
For my drains I am wearing a scrub top (like the nurses) that I cut straight down the front. The two drains on either side fit into each pocket and the tubes hang down the side a little.I am just wearing this over whatever top I have on. I have not dressed in anything but pjs yet....I figure why should I right?? I am not going anywhere yet but the couch
! I also have heard of people using a lanyard to hold the drains, which is one of those long key ring type things you hang around your neck. Hope this helps.
I have PT exercises, but I did not hear about any exercises to help prevent clots.....do tell please!!
Robin- I think you should be June\July girls
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Hi everyone!
It's so encouraging to see so many of this week's girls posting about their recovery! Welcome to this side of surgery. I can honestly tell you that it is a much happier side.
One more week to go in June and all of us strictly June girls will be DONE!!! We'll be cheering the June/July girls on until they're done, too.
stlcardsfan: You're doing really great with those drains. My drain came out once it was in the low 20's each day for two straight days.
The news of the Tamoxifen treatment that my OC is prescribing really threw me for a loop this week. I don't know why, since I had a strong suspicion that it was coming. It's kind of weird after everything I've been through in the past 4 months that this would drag me under. But, I think I'm finally coming around to accept that taking the Tamoxifen will be a good thing. I've handled everything else, I'll kick some butt with this, too.
I'm sending out happy healing vibes to everyone who is done with their surgeries and I'm wishing for strength, courage and peace to those yet to go, especially next week's girls.
Enjoy Friday!
Getty.
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Wow! Talk about a lot of positive posts going on here! Ladies out of surgery and doing well, drains coming out, people exercising. Amazing, all of you are amazing. I am so glad that everyone seems to be feeling pretty well and feeling positive.
I am getting more nervous and anxious to get this over with but still feeling pretty good. Last night I said to my husband- "you know at some point I am bound to lose my sh*# right?" He say's yha- do you know when that will be yet? I said - nope. We both laughed- but you know it's true!
Drains have been an interesting topic here. I got fitted with camisoles/bra's that have little pouches to hold the drains, will that alleviate the drain problems for me? Also the constipation thing. I haven't had this surgery but was on pain meds for a good week for my c section 6 months ago and I took a stool softener a couple times a day to help me as well as lots of fluids and trying to eat a fiber cereal in the morning. This by no means made me regular but it made it manageable until I was off the pain meds and I kept up with the stool softeners for a few days after the pain meds stopped and it all worked it's self out. (no one warned me after my first C section I did not take anything- not a pleasant experience AT ALL.) Also, what about adding the activia yogurt- I heard that helps to move things along?
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Hey Ladies,
After a week and a day post surgery, I finally got my drains removed this morning. I was frightened because they had been in longer than I expected and I've heard some women say that the drains began to fuse to the skin which makes them a bit difficult to remove. Well I went prepared. I took my pain meds; which I have been off of since Tuesday and I truly believed they helped out a alot. It was relatively painless, I felt a mild stinging sensation briefly and then it was over. I feel 10x better now that they are gone and I can shower tomorrow!!!!
Best to you all
momwifex2
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MistyJ and lizzymack1 - thanks for the tips on the drains. I like the scrubs idea. Am I the only one in a compression bra? I was told to were 24/7 for 30 days, only remove when showering. And, I was allowed to shower 2 days post surgery. Putting a tank top on now seems like a lot of work. I do have 2 compression bras, so I alternate between them.
I was started on stool softener as sound as I got to my recovery room. Also went home with the Senna which I have been taking faithfully ever since. Drinking liquids again back like when I was on Chemo (never got constipated on Chemo), and finally resorted to the prune juice and prunes last night. I am happy to report that I finally WENT! Yea! 3 1/2 days after surgery. Stomach is still bloated, but hopefully the prunes will keep the system going until I can get off this pain med.
Momwifex2 - congrats on getting the drains out. I hope that happens for me when I go in on Tues 6/29. Can I ask what was your output? What type of pain meds? You mentioned that you have been off of them since Tuesday, was the pain manageable without them?
Being 4 days out from surgery, I am still relying heavily on the pain meds. In fact, called today to get a refill because at the rate I am taking them, would run out this weekend. Well, they wouldn't give me a refill for what I am on unless I DRIVE in to get it? Hello, can't drive while on this stuff. The nurse offered me vicodin instead, being as I don't want to be in pain, took that prescription, as that is one she can call in.
Lauire08 - I wasn't offered a camisole, Instead I got a compression bra - already on me when I woke up in recovery. It has Velcro tabs to hang the drains from in two spots, but I didn't like them swinging so much, so I am also using the safety pins. My mom got me two really big button front shirts and cut them to short sleeves. They work, it just seems weird to have the drains hanging around my middle.
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stcards-sorry..I forgot to respond before. I am not in a compression bra and I am neither in a camisole. I had very well developed pec muscles, though, and that might be the only reason why. BTW, the scrubs idea is a great one. Makes sense.
Is anyone having trouble with appetite? I have to remind myself it is time to eat and then I don't really want anything. It is bad. I am drinking Boost high protein and eating nuts to keep the protein coming in but we all now how that interracts with our pain med *problems!!!*
Momwife-congrats on drain removal! It is one big step toward normalcy ie: showering!!!!!
Liz
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stlcardsfan- my output went I went in was slightly above 30ml but my PS felt as it was ok to remove them and they have't caused me any problems since I've left his office. As far as pain meds go I was prescribed 10mg Hydrocodone; no refill and I received this script in the hospital by my GS. Prior to surgery my PS mailed me a script days prior to surgery to have once I was released. They were 5mg Oxycodone; no refill and 5 mg Hydrocodone with 1 refill. I was taking the 10 mg hyro because that's what they were giving me after I was taken off the pain pump and I didn't know if 5mgs were going to be as effective. I haven't been in any pain per say just some mild pressure. If I had any pain I would definitely still take them as needed. My biggest problem right now is extreme fatigue and major loss of appetite. I think your pain should start to ease off very soon and I believe your drain removal will be a breeze just as mine were.
My very best to you
wifemomx2
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Wifemomx2 - thanks for the feed back. I also got 5mg Oxycodone to take when I got released. What I am on now, and boy do they work. I asked for a refill on that and was told no. Makes sense as I know you can become addicted to them. Instead I got 5mg Hydrocodone and I can take 1 or 2 every 4 to 6 hours. This is my backup for when I run out of oxycodone. Was your drain output every over 30 ml per drain? I am asking as because since I started charting, not one has been over 30. My hubby is stripping and emptying them twice per day, I just can't do them, wrong angle. This morning they were 20, 5, 5.5 and 22. One drain on each side puts out a lot, and the other hardly any. They tend to go up in the evening since I am moving around a bit.
For the appetite - try to take in protein, that will also help with the fatigue. It is probably still an after effect of the anesthesia. I also don't have much of one, but try to eat a little anyway.
I have been keeping myself active by doing laps in the house. Also going up and down the stairs and doing steps. Every time I go by the dog looks at me like I am crazy. I am surprised she hasn't started to follow me. She was all over me the day I got home as she could smell the blood in the drain bulbs. Crazy dog.
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Glad to hear everyone is doing well, even with the minor problems........My sister took me to the grocery today and I am exhausted now. I guess I always think I am ready to do things I'm not really ready to do. lol!
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Hi June Gals!
I am a July gal. Duckie, if you want to join that one (since you are on July 1), just post a message there and Orchigal will put you on the list. I've been reading this June thread to learn and I have. Thank you all for sharing your experiences! And Robin, I think you would just stay a June gal so you kind of stay with your group......not that we on the July thread aren't friendly!
Good luck everyone!
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Robin- I hope you stay with us, or maybe do both?
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I think it is interesting that everyones doctor is doing things so differently. Compression bra vs no bra, out put of drains and when to call, number of times to empty the drain exercise....My PS told me I will only have 2 drains, that I have to measure the output 4 times daily, breakfast, lunch, dinner and bed- add the four times up and if it is ever less than 30ml call them and I will go in immediately to have that drain removed. Also they keep telling me to relax as much as possible, no exercise at first to keep fluid levels down. No one has said anything about how much to wear the bra but I have been given two compression bras and two camisoles all with drain pouches that can be removed for future use.....
is it me or is it weird that it is so different from one of us to another?
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It is weird, Laurie. The only thing I can figure is that maybe the doctors are all using different techniques for the reconstruction. Who knows? I had a surgical bra that I was wearing when I woke up. I had to wear it 24/7 for the first week, unless it was being washed or I was showering. When I went in for my post-op check-up after one week, the nurse told me I could wear any bra I wanted to during the day and at night I could wear nothing at all if I was more comfortable that way. I was allowed to shower 48 hours after surgery. My drain was not supposed to come out until my 24 hour output was under 20cc's, but the nurse took pity on me and took it out when it was around 23 cc's for two consecutive days.
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Laurie-
I cannot agree with you more. I was told to start walking and doing moderate exercise immediately, no compression bra, no cami, 4 drains, no showering until the drains are out etc... and I went through Yale and for that reason some might consider them "the standard." We are all mx, bmx and some with immed recon and we are all having such different experiences. When I started feeling pins and needles and tingling in my thighs I started riding the recumbent bike immediately as I know that is indicative of circulation issues.
The differences in post-operative treatment and plans among most of us bc patients is, at least in some cases, diametrically opposed and in others just very different. This is odd and I could not agree with you more. I just rode the recumbent bike again today, this time for 30 minutes, just to keep circulation going. Also, when I ride, I let the drains hang down pretty well, suspended by being safety pinned to 2 thick layers of ace bandages, but it is probably the best drainage I get all day.
Oh...I am as confused as all of you are. I can only say I am so completely grateful that ducolax is finally working!!!!!!!
Liz
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Prune juice, prunes and lots of fruit working for me!
Stomach already feeling better!
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I am coming to this thread late...my mx is on June 28. I had a lumpectomy on June 2 (along with a total vaginal hysterectomy with removal of tubes and ovaries due to prolapsed uterus). My BS thought my lesion would be very small and that I would need no rads. My breasts are not even A cup size and the tissue they removed was a fairly large segment. When she told me she needed to go in and take more and because of narrow margins and then they would radiate what was left my decision was clear.
I will have a nipple/skin sparing mastectomy with immediate reconstruction of the breast (alloderm sling with implant).
I have a strong family history--mom died of ovarian and two aunts with breast cancer not to mention a host of other epithelial cancers in my immediate and extended family.
I am very nervous. I don' t know how painful it will be and how long my recovery will be. I was a bit nervous prior to my hysterectomy but not like this. Maybe because it's the second time in three weeks I will have major surgery. I have recovered well from the other--I am out walking daily and have worked up to 2 miles a day for the past 4 days. I feel great and hope I will do well with this surgery.
I am a very positive person but I am feeling lots of anxiety about this. Mostly about recovery, not the surgery.
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Welcome speech529. Glad you found us. I am not sure if any June girls have done what you have coming up, but having just had bmx this past Monday myself - you can do this.
It seems most dr's prescribe the same group of drugs - they do work to keep the pain at bay, but key is you need to take them.
With the family history that you mentioned - have you had genetic counseling to see if the BRCA gene runs in the family. Just asking based on what you listed.
Good luck on Monday along with our other Monday surgery person.
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Attn: JSmiley---SPEECH529 is another late comer to our June 2010 Mastectomy thread! She is June 28....welcome Speech!
Speech...my gosh, you have been through a lot. Don't worry about this surgery at all or recovery. I just had mine last Tuesday and I am cruising along just fine. You will be ok. Last thing I remember was "breathe into this mask" and then the next thing was "ok, you are being moved to your room!" so don't worry about anything. It goes fast and you will be fine next week. You can come back to this board and ask us questions for reference. We are all going through this together. You have lots of support and company so just be calm, relax and know many, many women have gone through this before you and are doing just fine.
Best wishes to you and am looking forward to hearing about your recovery-
Liz
PS-what made you decide nipple sparing? Just wondering...I got rid of those, too, and I was not even BRCA....I just wanted all of that mess gone!!!!
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Speech-
another thing I did which I was happy pre-surgery was bought lots of Huggies! I have no kids but those things are great and so good to have around at this time! Also buy those little, tiny antiseptic wiping squares that are individually packaged as you will need those to clean each one of your drains every time empty. You can get those at the local pharmacy. Get safety pins and ace bandages as well to put around your neck like a scarf to let the drains hang from or get a scrub top and cut it in 1/2 as someone else here did making a jacket out of it and using the pockets for drains.
Liz
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sespebadger.. I would love to be on the July list. I just don't know how to sign on.
I do want to stay in touch with the June group too.
I agree, after listening to everyone, that there is a variety of different methods of after care concerning bras. I hate going without one and my PS told me that at least for a week he didnt want me in any bra. So who knows.
My BS suggested I get genetic counceling but I wasnt sure if I should. I didn't really understand the reasoning behind it. What are your opinions on that?
speech529. Welcome and I know everyone here truly understands your fears and apprehension.
I am so thankful I have found yall. Hugs
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Welcome speech- you have already been through so much, it is understandable that you are feeling your nerve waiver. Please feel comfortable to turn to us at any time. My surgery is 6/30 and I am feeling quiet nervous too. The ladies here have been invaluable to me.
Ducki- This is my take on genetic testing. If you have BC or a strong family history you can have the testing done to see if you have BRCA 1/2. The reason why you do the testing is because if you have either gene your doctor may recommend a bilateral mastectomy as opposed to a lumpectomy because you risk of recurrence increases dramatically. Also, if you have either gene it is usually recommended you remove your ovaries as your risk for ovarian cancer is very high as well. There really is no downside to getting the test done if you have already been diagnosed. The controversy lies in the fact that if you have never been diagnosed with BC if you get the test done insurance companies could possible treat you as if you already were diagnosed and if you ever lapsed in insurance coverage could they treat you as if you had a preexisting condition and not cover cancer treatment if you were to develop caner in the future. Also, some people think that if you have not been diagnosed with cancer, and you test positive for the gene and have a BMX and ovary removal when you are healthy, it is extreme. Hope this helps you?
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Ducki- By the way I was scheduled to meet with the genetic counselor in May to debate whether or not I would be tested. I was diagnosed in April and I have since been tested, I came back negative for both.
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