Newly dx with ADH...what to do!!??

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MooieVechter
MooieVechter Member Posts: 9

I am new to the BreastCancer.Org site and have just been reading all the posts for the last few weeks, and have not posted..until now. I was hoping some of you in similar situations could please update me on your health, decisions you have made as I have some decisions to make.

I have just been diagnosed with ADH after a surgical biopsy on June 4th. This was after a lump was found in my left breast during a routine mammogram and ultrasound in Feb. of this year, 2010. I had to get a core needle biopsy (which was the worst!!) and it came back that it was a papilloma. So, I saw a breast surgeon  who recommended it be removed. He scheduled an MRI prior to surgery to make sure there was nothing else going on in either breast. The MRI showed two small masses, still in left breast...had both of those core needle biopsies...they were benign and although the oncologist said I should take them out along with the Papilloma because I have "busy" breast tissue, my breast surgeon and I decided not too because all three lumps were in different quadrants and that was a lot of cutting. So, I had surgery...with the two wire guides put in and had the original Papilloma taken out. The surgeon decided to do a deeper margin as well...All of this happened in a matter of 4 months....

The pathology report came back with ADH as well as some other things, Sclerosing Adenosis, Fibroadenmatous hyperplasia....Sorry for the long story......ANYWAY, I am a single mom, 42, no real family history and I have NO family here for support. My weight is same as high school, eat extremely healthy already, exercise, don't smoke, have had too many glasses of wine sometimes, but that is over! :) BUT, 2 decades of huge stressful events!! And, I mean big and handling it alone...SO, I am convinced that has really taken it's toll on me inside!! I am working on healing up the past and so that nasty stuff gets out of me...I am meeting with the Oncologist again next week (1st time since ADH was diagnosed)...and my BS said she'd probably want to me to start Tamox and heavy surveillance . I am OK, with the surveillance but not so much with the Tamox, or even possible mastectomy. This is so scary and overwhelming!! I feel sick that I have to deal with this..I look sad, feel sad, and I have a beautiful 11yr. old boy who is wondering what happened to his silly, goofy, happy Mom. We are very close so he is aware I am going through something. I have reassured him that IF this did turn out to be cancer down the road, that I was on top of it, it was the most curable, and that I would not die. His Papa (on his Dad's side) died of lot's of different cancer's so hearing that set his little mind more at ease. I thought it was all going to be over after the surgery to remove the Papilloma!!!???
I would appreciate any info you could share with me and hoping, praying that things are turning out good for you all!!! I wish that I'd read about people with ADH, get it out, do nothing else, and never have to deal with anything to do with cancer again!! Is that possible?? Do those people just not post, or maybe they live with ADH and never know, so we never know??

Thank you so much and wishing you ALL well...!!!!! :)

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2010

    mooie----I think I just responded to you under a different heading (maybe "tamox and high risk"?)

    sometimes I do wish it had never been found (I have LCIS--a step further along the bc spectrum with double the risk of ADH--- and family history of ILC), but most of the time I feel very fortunate it was found, so I could become proactive and try to prevent an invasive bc. Most with bc don't get that chance.

    Generally, the recommendation for ADH is yearly mammos and breast exams every 6 months, with the addition of tamoxifen if there are other significant risk factors, such as family history. I would encourage you to talk over the pros and cons of taking tamox with your doctor. You want to make sure that the benefits outwiegh the risks  for your particular situation.

    anne

  • vmudrow
    vmudrow Member Posts: 846
    edited June 2010

    MooieVechter - I understand exactly what you are going through.  In January I was diagnoised with ALH, atypical lobular hyperlasia - in the lobes, where yours is in the ducts.  My BS sent me to the oncologist who described it as not  normal cells growing fast - he believes it is precancerous.  He suggested I take Tamoxifen for 5 years - he said most patients tolerate it well with few side effects.  When I discussed this with the breast surgeon she said I would have to have MRIs instead of mammograms each year, which show more things, which would have to be biopsied.  I am 49, strong family history of breast cancer and have had several biopsies on both breasts.  I had previously went to the Huntsman Cancer Center and they had figured my risk of getting breast cancer as 40% - tamoxifen would cut the risk.  I personally talked to two ladies that are on the drug and both of them have side effects and wished they could stop - but can't because they have cancer.  So along with my surgeon, and husband I decided to have preventative masetomies - that was May 6th.  It might sound drastic, but for me I did not want the side effects of Tamoxifen and I was making myself sick worrying all the time.  It's been six weeks and I feel great - and do not regret my decision.  I realize that this might be drastic and not for everyone - my surgeon was supportive but she would have supported the close monitoring and taking Tamoxifen too.  Talk to your surgeon and they should give you the pros and cons of all your options.  Sorry this is so long - but when I was going through the decision I hadn't found this site and couldn't find anyone that had the same condition.  There are a few of us out there. Good luck - I wish you the best.  Oh and I had nipple/skin sparing masectomies. 

  • MooieVechter
    MooieVechter Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2010

    Valerie,

    Thank you SO much for replying and I am SO happy that you are feeling SO great, SO quickly it seems! It was a good decision for you and with what I am concluding, it is a very personal choice as how to proceed. It's just so scary to think of it as a little "time bomb" just waiting to go off, some day....BUT, yet I DO not want to take terrible drugs OR get surgery (masc.)..??? This is all still so new to me (just 12 days since the ADH dx)..so there are a lot of emotions!!...and a lot more info to gather!! I am also super happy for you that you had such a supportive husband! That, I am sure helped you so much! Tell him I think he is a good man...:)

  • Chevfan
    Chevfan Member Posts: 88
    edited June 2010

    Well, I have ADH and I'm "new" to it all myself. But I'm not taking tamoxifen. I'm premenstrual and my surgeon is utterly convinced it causes more harm than good in my own situation. I had my last surgical biopsy 5/4. I go back in September or October for a followup mammo (and I'm going to demand a u/s as well). After that .... he is telling me once a year normal screening and monthly bse's as I've been doing. I'm okay with that for now.

    I also had a bunch of big fibrocysts in both breasts. After reading the alternative therapy section on this site, I've started taking iodoral, vitamin D3, and a B supplement. Kinda' hard to figure out what is a cyst and what isn't, LOL! I had originally thought the cysts were miraculously wiped out after 2 weeks on idoine, but I think I've got one left. It was deep and huge and I've noticed it's still giving me a little pain the last day or two.

    Anyway, you might try checking out that section!

    Age 47, btw. 

  • MooieVechter
    MooieVechter Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2010

    Thank you, I will check into that section as well! How much do you take of the iodine? My breast really hurts so much. Besides having all the poking, cutting, digging lately, I think it the fibroadenomatous stuff that is making it hurt so much, like all day long! So, you are going to do the strong surveliance without Tamox? Do you not have a strong family history, or high risk factors like me? How are you coping with all this "new" stuff in your life? I feel nuts with emotions...:(...and decision making...but, I think I know which way I am leaning...just trying to be open, learn more and then do what is "right" for ME. I think that is key...to believe in your choices! :)

    Thanks for sharing, and I will keep you in my prayers! Best to U, Lisa

  • Chevfan
    Chevfan Member Posts: 88
    edited June 2010

    I'm taking 12.5 mg a day of iodine. But then again, I'm self dosing, may or may not be the smartest move I've made so far. :) No Tamox, just keep an eye on it. I'm adopted so who knows about my family history ... I know a little of the biological family and really have no desire to get any more medical info out of them, LOL! So, I'm winging it here. I don't think my overall risk factors are huge ... I'm slim, very active, one child, breastfed a little (does that count?), blah blah blah. I do smoke, don't drink. As far as coping .. I dunno really. I mean, how can I explain being a devout Christian and a bit of a fatalist on the side? I'm just trying to learn all I can to lower my risks, as even the ADH does put us in a bit of a higher risk category. The rest ... I leave in God's hands. He hasn't dropped me yet!

    Edited to say I've been blessed with the medical professionals I've came in contact with during this time. My NP was really on the ball when I went sprinting off to the office when I found a lump. The imaging center people were angelic! I had so many cysts, they had to call in one of the admins to do the u/s as the poor tech went all googly-eyed. Course, since this admin (or whoever) was also a doctor, I was told all my results right there. She didn't want to scare the living daylights out of me, so explained the mammo and u/s and told me I would be seeing more people for biopsies. The women's center who did the biopsies was amazing. I got to see my samples and everything from both of them. It was like some cheer rally around my left breast. The surgeon I had to see for the last one was the same way. Just real nonchalant and comforting. "No biggie, just gonna cut into you and make sure you're A-OK! At the worst, you might need some additional treatment." They make the patients feel so pampered and special, it's hard to spaz out. 

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited June 2010

    I was 44 when I had my first dx of ADH (left breast) in Feb 2005. I have a family history of breast (mom) and ovarian (aunt) which put me in an even higher risk category. My surgeon suggested tamox but left it up to me to decide if I wanted to take it. I was on a 6 month mammo/CBE with surgeon schedule to watch for any other problems. 18 months later (fall 2006) 2nd dx of ADH (Right breast) my surgeon said that tamox was no longer optional, but manditatory. He also suggested I consider preventative bilat mast because, as he put it, It wasn't a matter of if I developed breast cancer but when and he wanted me to use all the preventative things available. Six months later, I was diagnosed with DCIS, non-invasive cancer. I did do the bilat mast and the final path report showed more ADH in both breasts. Just want you to check out all your options before making any life changing decisions.

    Sheila

  • bebe51
    bebe51 Member Posts: 29
    edited June 2010

    Mooie - I understand what you are going through.  I am 51 and was dx in Feb with ADH after stereotactic biopsy. Had a cyst close to chest wall and needle bio said b-9. I do have a strong family history with bc but no ovarian.  BS said with my dx and family history that I might want to really think about Tamox due to it reducing my risk of bc by 86% with ADH.  I chose to wait and just go for high risk screening with MRI's and mammograms for now.  Of course I can always change my mind. I too have thought about preventative BMX.  Still researching that one. But right now I will do high risk management. What has helped me is reading these posts, there are alot of ladies on this board that are so knowledgable and they do come to the aid of us newbies.

  • MooieVechter
    MooieVechter Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2010

    Bebe-

    I do feel fortunate that I did find this site very early on and it has been a big help in so many ways. It has really opened up my eyes, not just regarding to BC but also how important it is to be there for our fellow sisters...just sharing our plight, stories, decisions is SO important!! At least, I don't feel so alone....:) It's so hard to figure this all out!! Going to the oncologist next week and I am sure will get lot's more info....Just when I think I am leaning one way, I start leaning another!!?? I'd really love to keep on boobies!! Skin, nipples....But then, maybe with heavy screening I'll be just fine?? ...And right now, Tamox just sounds icky!!! I think I'll keep praying for the right answer for "ME"......

    THANK YOU!! AND....I will also pray for you and please keep me posted on any changes.

    :) Lisa

  • HelloFromCT
    HelloFromCT Member Posts: 280
    edited June 2010

    Hi Lisa,

    I was dxd with ADH in March of '09.  Stereo, then surgical biopsies showed ADH but they got clear margins.  Was sent to oncologist, who was very adamant about my taking Tamoxifen.  He reviewed my risk factors and basically scared the heck out of me, saying that I would have to have high risk surveillance (every 3 months) and take Tamox.  The thought of that scenario just went against all of my instincts.  I came to these boards and began reading about my options.  I spoke with LOTS of people--from medical professionals to relatives to many women here (like anne-awb) who helped me through that early period.  God bless them....I don't know what I would have done if I hadn't found this site.

    My reading and research brought me to the conclusion that if I ever wanted peace of mind I had to remove the threat as much as possible.  As a person prone to anxiety attacks and worry, I knew I didn't want to live with the high risk status if there was another option.  I eventually decided to have prophylactic bilateral mastectomies, with immediate DIEP reconstruction.   For me, this was the best decision I could have made.  I had the procedure in February, with a follow up second procedure in May (this surgery is usually done in 2 stages).  I feel great, I am very happy with my reconstruction, and I feel I have done the most I can to reduce future risk.

    After several visits with the oncologist, and when I told him what I was planning, he said to me:  When a bc or atypical dx is made, women usually react one of two ways.  There are some women that will do anything to save their breasts, and there are some women who just want them gone because they are always haunted by what might be 'going on' there.  I definitely fell into the second category.  I have a lot of admiration for women who choose the monitoring.  It's not easy.  It's a lot of stress with each test, and you have to have a lot of inner strength to deal with it.

    PBM or no PMB--it's a very personal decision.  It wasn't 'hard' for me to decide and once I did I felt peace about it so I knew it was the right thing for me.  And I don't 'miss' my breasts or regret the surgery.   I have new breasts that I love and are not a threat to me, and I feel very relieved and grateful that I was able to go ahead with the surgery.

    Whatever you decide to do, you have time to research all of your options.  And you have this great site with women who will help you as much as possible.  The best advice I can give you is to follow your gut--your instincts--go with what you think is right.  You'll be fine!

  • KellyMaryland
    KellyMaryland Member Posts: 350
    edited June 2010

    HelloFromCT-  After being diagnosed with pleomorphic LCIS a few months I found this site and began learning and researching as much as possible. You articulated what I've felt all along: my instinct from the first moment has been PBM. Others (family, BS, oncologist) are encouraging the tamoxofen/monitoring route but it feels wrong to me. This is all so new and yet I feel confident that PBM is the best for my psyche and maybe for my body too. Did you or any others meet with resistance, whatever your decision was?  Thanks very much to all who post their experiences and good luck to you, Mooie, in making your decision.

    Kelly

  • HelloFromCT
    HelloFromCT Member Posts: 280
    edited June 2010

    Kelly, lots of people give lots of opinions when the word 'mastectomy' is mentioned.  I know it's appreciated, but they are not the ones facing the decision.  If you feel that's what you want to do, just forge ahead and do what is right for you.  I have to admit a couple of people looked at me like I'd lost my mind, but it didn't matter to me because I knew what I wanted to do.  Best wishes to you in whatever you decide.  Just remember it's YOUR decision.

  • MistyJ
    MistyJ Member Posts: 113
    edited June 2010

    With all due respect to everyone else in our lives, if one of us is diagnosed with cancer and has to do mastectomy AND chemo AND radiation...they will not be the ones who have to have their bodies put through that. Why then do we worry so much about what they think in regards to our decisions on how to try to prevent a cancer diagnosis?  I struggled and struggled with the problem of worrying about what people would think, and if someone would think I was being too drastic by having a prophylactic mastectomy.  Once I actually came to realize that it was MY BODY...MINE and MY DECISION...MINE then I felt so much better.  Listen to your heart and gut.........it will tell you what is right for you.  It  does right away....it just depends on how long it takes you to figure out that it is the only thing that matters.  IF prophy mast. was not a medically valid option.....surgeons would not offer it and insurance companies would NOT pay for it.  When the day is over....YOU have to be the most comfortable with what you chose!  Can you be comfortable removing your natural breasts and never knowing if you would have gotten cancer?  Will you regret it?  How will you feel if you go another route such as monitoring?  Will you be able to live with the anxiety?  Are you a worrier?  How do you feel about side effects of other meds?  Are you a person who doesnt worry about stuff like that?  Would you rather have moderately uncomfortable side effects long term to lower risk, or major side effects for a short time to lower risk more?  The answer is probably there, if the decision remains with you then get everyones opinion who matters ie husband, family, specialists, once...then choose what you want to do with your life and body.  For me it was enough to know I had done EVERYTHING possible to prevent breast cancer.  Now I can live knowing I have done the most I could.  I am good with that :)  I gave up such a small thing and in return got such a large thing.

    And I mean this in the most helpful way possible :)

  • bebe51
    bebe51 Member Posts: 29
    edited July 2010

    HellofromCT, I am with Kelly.  My first instinct was to take them off.  They have served their purpose and (i heard this somewhere) my boobs are trying to kill me.  I decided that I will do mri and mammogram for now.  I had 2nd mammo in Jan due to abnormal one in Dec.  August 3rd I go in for the MRI and then I will discuss other options. My main concern is the surgery and how long it is, especially with diep. Being under that long is really scary.  What was your experience? And who did your surgery?  When I tell people what I'm thinking about doing most are understanding and it doesnt freak them out, of course they know my family history, others are saying "thats too drastic" but they don't have the family histroy that I do. I need to do what is best for me and when I make that decision, only God knows.  For now it is research, research, research and talking to y'all.  Mooie, let us know what onc says. I'll be praying.   

  • MooieVechter
    MooieVechter Member Posts: 9
    edited July 2010

    THANK YOU  TO EVERYONE!!...for sharing!! Seeing oncologist tomorrow?? We'll see what else I can learn....:) BEST always! Lisa

  • HelloFromCT
    HelloFromCT Member Posts: 280
    edited July 2010
    bebe, I was under for about 7 hours.  There were 3 doctors working on me--one doing the mast and two preparing the diep flaps.  For stage 2 I was under about 3 hours I think.  I don't think I had any lasting ill effects from the anesthesia.  I had my surgery done by Frank DellaCrose at the Center for Restorative Breast Surgery in New Orleans.  I would do it again in a heartbeat.  No regrets at all.  Here is the link to the Center's site:  www.breastcenter.com
  • vmudrow
    vmudrow Member Posts: 846
    edited July 2010

    MistyJ - You put into words exactly what I felt when I was trying to make a decision, and I felt the same way you do.

    Lisa - I think you have time to think about your options - I was diagnoised with ALH in January and didn't have surgery until May.  I wanted to be sure that was the best decision for me.  I talked to my surgeon, my regular doctor, a plastic surgeon, some MDs that were friends, found some people on Tamoxifen and asked them how they felt about it.  One of the most important questions I asked was to the breast surgeon, a lady I asked her what she would do if she were in my place.  She said she is a worrier and she would have the masectomies, that clinched it for me as I am a constant worrier.  Just get as much information as you can and make the best decision for your body.  Good luck and keep us posted - hugs, Valerie

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