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Joviangeldeb
Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
edited June 2014 in Stage III Breast Cancer

I've been coping with an issue at work for quite some time now and I've been ignoring it but lately, I've had a difficult time ignoring it.  One of my coworker's who I work very close to is making faces and disgusted leers to my other coworkers whenever I mention anything to do with breast cancer, or my health.  Ever since my cancer treatment, my health has declined. I have frequent nausea and vomiting.  For six months last year, I suffered with C Diff before I was ever diagnosed.  I was put in the hospital twice and had my gall bladder out but they could never get a handle on my gi symptoms.  They come and go. I'm also lactose intolerant due to the C diff destroying the cells that break down lactose.  Through all this, during the workup for the gi problems, they found a mass on my left adrenal gland, so I had to go through a bunch of testing and found out I have a rare condition called Primary Aldosteronism.  Been also having alot of knee problems. I can't kneel down, difficulty going up and down stairs, but can walk fine.  After testing this year with an ortho doc, he determined the chemotherapy damaged the soft tissues in my lower extremities and there is no cure. So I deal with that.  Plus I have minor ailments like Seborriec Dermatitis all over my face and ears that come and go. 

I try to work full time but do get too ill at times and have to call in sick or go home early.  I also have frequent doctor appointments. I carry a bucket and wash clothe in my office and in the car in case I upchuck and I frequently vomit at work in my office cuz I don't usually have enough time to run to the bathroom.  This girl sees me ill all the time.  She thinks I do not know she does this, but I do. I'm not stupid.  It's really starting to make me mad but I choose to not say anything.  This person has a selfish trait and I really do believe she does this because it takes attention off of her, or she's tired of all my illness, or she's thinking I'm a hyperchondriac. 

I don't want to confront her because I don't like to make waves and I hate negativity.  I have spoken to one other coworker about it and she suggests I speak with my boss just to let him know my side of things, because she has told me that the one making snide remarks and looks is always speaking to our boss behind closed doors. so we have no idea what she's saying behind our backs.  this person likes to tattle tale and none of us others do. 

Should I talk to my boss?  Or continue ignoring it?  My mother and my co-worker has suggested not to speak at all about my illness or cancer while she's around, but THIS IS HOW I DEAL WITH BEING SICK ALL THE TIME.  It's helps me cope. i'm very vocal about my health.  I  have a hard time holding what's bothering me, inside. 

I'd appreciate any advice or just words of understanding.

Thanks, and sorry this has been so long,

deb

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  • pupfoster1
    pupfoster1 Member Posts: 1,484
    edited June 2010

    So that stinks.  It's bad enough you feel so rotten at work but to have a coworker glaring at you sure doesn't help.  My first thought is if you are that sick you should really take some time off (medical leave) until you are more stable.  Not to be the devil's advocate here but it would be upsetting to me if I had to listen to a coworker throw up alot.  Many people have a gag relflex that if they hear someone else throw up it sets them off.  And coming from a Management point of view it probably is not a good working environment for your coworkers.  As far as talking about your illness, maybe just not to the people you know it upsets.  Who knows, maybe this person has had a cancer experience of their own, or just doesn't know how to react.  Unfortunately you have a business to run and if your health will be counterproductive you may need to take some time off.  Have you spoken to your HR Manager????

    Good luck,

    Sharon

  • pupfoster1
    pupfoster1 Member Posts: 1,484
    edited June 2010

    So that stinks.  It's bad enough you feel so rotten at work but to have a coworker glaring at you sure doesn't help.  My first thought is if you are that sick you should really take some time off (medical leave) until you are more stable.  Not to be the devil's advocate here but it would be upsetting to me if I had to listen to a coworker throw up alot.  Many people have a gag relflex that if they hear someone else throw up it sets them off.  And coming from a Management point of view it probably is not a good working environment for your coworkers.  As far as talking about your illness, maybe just not to the people you know it upsets.  Who knows, maybe this person has had a cancer experience of their own, or just doesn't know how to react.  Unfortunately you have a business to run and if your health will be counterproductive you may need to take some time off.  Have you spoken to your HR Manager????

    Good luck,

    Sharon

  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited June 2010

    Hi, Sharon. Thanks for the advice.  I work in a small business (dentist's ofc). We do not have any medical insurance or sick or medical leave and I'm living pay day to pay day.My health insurance is through my husband's work.  Our savings have dwindled to nothing due to all my health issues.   I've thought of ways to take a leave of absense, but I'm scared. And bills wouldn't not get paid. Also, my coworkers all kind of expect me to work because I'm the only one that bills insurance.  It puts them in a bind if I'm not here. They have days they have to leave by 4:30 or 5pm but they can't if I'm not here, because I'm the late one 3 times a week.  I do like to work and it keeps me going, But I do know that if I get worse, I'll have to consider other options. I even thought of gouing to part time. My parents push me to work too.  I think they feel that if I stopped working, I would give up fighting to better my health.  I'm not sure, but that's the feeling I get from conversations they hint at.  I'm basically a people pleaser and it gets me upset if I'm not pleasing everyone around me.  I know that's not a good way to be, but it's something I've dealt with all my life.  I go back to my Gi doc on monday and I also called and spoke with my oncologist today. I go see her on monday afternoon. She told me to stop the tamoxifen to see if that is what's causing the nausea and vomiting.  Iv'e suspected this may be it also.  She's going to talk to me about differentn alternatives and talk to me of my prognosis if I decide to come off the hormone therapy all together.  It's alot to think about. 

    This week I've been nibbling on one sandwich per day everytime I go back to the break room to use the bathroom.  If I take a couple of bites an hour or two, and not eating anything in bulkm it lessens the amount of nausea I get. Today, I've only had two bouts of dry heaves. I've been eating full meals when I get home at around 6pm in te evening. Then I can take a phenergan if I need to and lie down.   The other nausea meds do not help much. Just phenergan, but it puts you to sleep. 

    I'm emotionally down now too, so I realize everything gets magnified.  Most of the time I can cope.  

    Again, thanks for your input. 

    Deb

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited June 2010

    Honestly, I would try to talk to her in a non confrontational tone and do it when there isn't anyone else there to butt in.  Let her know it hurts your feelings and you don't expect her to be your bestfriend, but would appreciate it if she would stop doing what she's doing. If that isn't possible or doesn't work, talk to your boss.  She sounds like she is either immature, insensitive and/or has never dealt with illness.  You have a right to work in a better environment than that and not be subject to indirect harrassment.  Good luck and I hope things get better.

  • 116
    116 Member Posts: 108
    edited December 2012

    Deb, I am sorry that your co-worker is being like that, but it does not surprise me at all. I also work in a very small office and consider my co-workers to be like family, however before I was diagnosed with BC I watched several other co-workers go through a major illnesses and I saw what happened to them. Both of them were also very vocal about their illnesses and talked about all the details, a lot. Before too long other co-workers started getting tired of hearing about it and started talking about them behind their back. True at first they were sympathetic, but then they just got tired of it. Even though I work for a non-profit agency that serves the ill, elderly, and disabled and our mission statement is one of compassion to those in need, that mission statement just flew out the window when it was one of our own. It was not long before upper management started looking for ways to get rid of them. They were very careful due to laws protecting employees that are sick, but believe me they have ways of getting around it. If you are targeted to cull from the herd, they will find a way. It was not too long before both my co-workers were dismissed. It was very sad to watch, and I tried to warn them to stop talking about their illnesses while at work, but they didn't and in the end they lost their jobs. One of them tried to sue, but management had covered all their bases, they were not stupid about how they went about doing what they did. On one hand I felt bad for my co-workers, but on the other hand it is disruptive when someone is constantly talking about their illnesses, missing work, etc. and even though I always stuck up for them when other co-workers talked behind their back, I have to admit that I was starting to get burned out on hearing about it too. Mostly I was frustrated that they could not see what they were doing to themselves even though I warned them repeatable that outside management was getting frustrated with complaints about them. One of my co-workers does have the gag reflect really bad and actually threw up herself twice when one of the the sick gals talked about her GI issues in too much detail.  The bottom line is that there is a job to get done and that is all management cares about really, that is their job above all else. After watching what my co-worker went through when I was diagnosed with BC and went through surgeries, chemo and rads etc. I made a point of not talking about it as much as possible. I also asked my co-workers to please not tell my client's or the employees that I supervise about it, even though it was obvious something was wrong when I lost all my hair. I did my best to not miss any work and would only take a day after surgery which I tried to schedule on fridays, a few days when chemo got rough, and used my lunch hour for rads. If someone asked me how things were going, I would answer, but kept the details to a minimum and never complained. Instead of saying I am taking off for rads, I just said I am going to lunch. They knew where I was going of course, but it downplayed my treatment time off anyway. I also would take time off for doctor's appointments, but did not say where I was going unless someone asked directly. I would also just empty drains etc. while on break so they were unaware of what I was doing and if I threw up, I would just say I had a headache and went home, no vomit details. Believe me I wanted to talk about things as a way of coping, but watching what happened to my co-workers I knew better. In the end I overheard a co-worker telling a new employee that I was bald because I had breast cancer, "But she never complains and hardly ever misses work". I also had co-workers comment to me that they hope that if they ever go through what I did that they could handle it as well. They never knew how un-well I was really handling things. There were days that chemo left me stumbling and I even fell into a co-workers cubical one time, but otherwise I tried very hard to keep a business as usual. I had to because I am self supporting and like you could not afford to miss work. It was sad that even though I consider my co-workers to be family that I could not have shared more, but I just knew better. They were all very supportive true, but I knew better than to make an issue of my illness. At one point I was so physically and emotionally exhausted that I started losing it, but managed to keep it together while at work and then would fall apart at home. One of my co-workers told me she heard from the big HR person that she was amazed that I was able to keep working like I did. Even though I was actually going through everything that my dismissed co-worker went through as far as needing medical leave at times, they had a totally different attitude with me simply because I seldom talked about anything and did not complain. They actually had the nerve to suggest that one of my co-workers was a hypochondriac even though she just had a cancerous kidney removed, just because she talked about it too much, and kept talking about her diarrhea. Believe me no one wants to hear about that. Anyway I am sorry this is so long, but I wanted to tell you that I am sorry what you are going through. It is not fair, but it is the hard cold reality. I am most sure that your co-worker is talking to your boss behind closed doors and that others are too, but they are just kinder about it. I know you said that they depend on you and that you are the one that gets all the billing done, but truthfully no one is indispensable. It would not surprise me at all that they are already trying to find a way to get rid of you and the best thing you could do is stop talking about any illness issues at all, ever, immediately, and be evasive about it when others ask. I would not complain to management, but would stop complaining at all. Otherwise from my experience it will be only a matter of time before they let you go. I would hate to see that happen to you, sounds like you have enough on your plate without being unemployed too.

  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited June 2010

    Thanks, Giddyup, for your suggestions and guidance on this issue.  I'm going to try and not talk about my health as much at work.  I agree with you, that's it human nature, to get tired of it.  I know, cuz I'm tired of this too.  Got a question, though...did you only take 3 days off after a mastectomy?  I've never heard of anyone else doing that.  If so, how did you manage through the healing?  You mentioned drains. My breast area didn't hurt that much, but I couldn't raise my arm at all and the first 2 days, surgeon wouldn't let me use my arms at all.   I couldn't get a doctor's excuse to go back to work until 6 weeks after.   One of my good friends, who's also one of my coworkers, helped take care of me those first two days. 

    anyways, you bring up some good points.  I really have this attitude now that my health is way more important than work.  Mainly because it was my habit to forgo doctor appointments for check ups, etc prior to my diagnosis. This thinking almost led to me to ignoring my breast lump.  In fact, it was a coworker that convinced me to go get a mammogram after I found a lump because I was going to postpone it thinking I was too busy at work to go.  She insisted.  At my diagnosis, I swore I would never put work before my health ever again.  this is the main reason I'm having inner conflict within myself now.  Most everyone tells me I need to go on with my life and put the cancer behind me.  It would be easier to do this, if i still wasn't so ill alot of the time.  I still think my work is important and want to be there everyday, yet I get frustrated at myself and the situation when I wake up in the morning, so nauseated, I'm unable to function.   Or am at work, begin to get alittle queezie, than out of the blue, get a wave of nausea and vomit at work, where everyone is forced to hear.  I keep praying and hoping that my doctors are able to diagnose and find the solution to this problem.  I thought it was from the Tamoxifen, but been off of it for 4 days, and I'm still dealing with the same gi problems. I do go see both my oncologist and gi doctor on monday. 

    Again, thanks for your input.  I'm just very frustrated because the nausea/vomiting is affecting everything.  I'm sitting at home during the weekends, feeling sick to my stomach most of the time, unless I'm on phenergan, then I lie and sleep.  I'm tired of this.  I'm ready to go on with my life. I thought I was getting it back because I had a few months without gi problems, but now they are back.  Sometimes I feel its one thing after another and I succomb to the 'why me' attititude. I tend to only feel this way when I'm not feeling very good, like lately.  When I'm feeling good, things get better and my outlook is brighter. I talk about it less, and enjoy, work and laugh with my coworkers.  We have a bond that I treasure. 

    I have talked with the girl, privately, who was doing this, and it turns out that it had nothing really to do with me.  some of the things I was saying and doing, reminded her of her mother. she doesn't have a good relationship with her, and had a bad childhood. I'm glad we spoke. I told her that now I could see why she was reacting this way.  We had a good talk and I'm careful that I don't say too much of the health stuff, around her.

    Take care and thanks for your suggestions and your advice. It is much appreciated.

    Deb

  • 116
    116 Member Posts: 108
    edited December 2012

    Deb, I will be thinking about you tomorrow when you see your doctors and hope that they are able to discover what is making you so sick. Nausea is the absolute worst thing to have. I can deal with a lot, but not that very well. I know that ever since chemo I too cannot digest dairy, although it sounds like your lactose problem came after the C-cif. C-dif is a nasty bug and it is really hard to get rid of. I am assuming your GI doctor will test again to make sure you are not still suffering from this. Have you ever been tested for giardia? It can cause some of your symptoms, it is hard to discover and sometimes you have to be tested numerous times, my daughter had it a long time before they were able to discover what was going on with her and it is more common than people think. There are women who go for years with giardia, only to have doctors say they are hypochondriacs because the symptoms come and go and they never think to test for it. Anyway aside from dairy ever since chemo I cannot digest meat, especially pork, or any kind of grease and fat stuff. It makes me throw up. I am not sure why this happened but it just did. Now I am really only able to eat a vegetarian diet and I also have switched to a sprouted grain bread without flour since I no longer process gluten well either. Years ago I discovered that I get headaches from any high fructose corn syrup, highly processed white sugar (glazed donuts kind of stuff), and artificial sweeteners so I eliminated that from my diet as well. Believe me I am not a health nut, but ever since chemo my body rejects any kind of processed foods, when I started reading labels I was amazed at all the unnecessary garbage they put in our foods and feel guilty now that I sometimes fed my kids hotdogs and canned soup etc. when they were little. I was amazed also to find out how much hidden dairy, sugar, and salt is in foods under hidden names. Now for breakfast I have some Bolthouse Farms juice, especially love the c-boost one (immunity support) that is mango and cherry and some sprouted grain bread made without four, toasted. I also eat a lot of vegetarian refried beans and of course lots of fruits and vegetables especially spinach. I am worried about how to get my calcium and protein so I am working on that but I am learning. I have always been a meat and potatoes girl and chemo has wreaked that for me. If I was to eat a fast food lunch now I would toss my cookies for sure. I think the chemo must destroy all your stomach bacteria and I imagine all the antibiotics have messed your system up good to. I was having a problem after some antibiotics recently and drank some Good Belly probiotic stuff I got at the grocery for a week and that really helped. I do not know where you live, but I know that it may be hard to get the more natural food stuff in some places. Anyway I hope that you can find out what is going on with your stomach you must be really frustrated! To answer your question, I did not have a mastectomy, the drains I had were from the lumpectomy and then the axillary node removal, I opted not to have a mastectomy despite multiple tumor sites. At the point I was diagnosed the nodes under my arms were already involved and I went ahead with the lumpectomy while further testing was done because if I was going to do the recommended mastectomy I wanted to do a bilateral one and wanted time to think about it. In the end the doctors left it up to me, but felt like it did not really decrease the chances of reoccurrence since they hit me with dense dose chemo and rads. My tumors were also small with the largest only 2 cm. It was the size of one of my lymph nodes that worried me the most and the fact that they were matted, although I had one doctor say that does not really matter? I also have a very, very, high pain tolerance so despite doctor's restriction I went back to work anyway. So I am glad that you confronted your co-worker, but I would not trust her at all, despite her "You just triggered my mother memories" I think that is a lame excuse for making snide comments, leers and faces about you. I think she came up with an excuse when you confronted her that she skillfully turned it around so that you would feel sorry for her (poor me.. my mother was mean and that is why I had to be mean to you behind your back) I am sorry but I am not buying it. If she was behaving that way in the first place than she is not that nice and I believe will continue to talk behind your back to the boss. You said you were a people pleaser and like me you probably trust others too much. At least I used to. I have heard every excuse in the book since I co-supervise 250 employees, have a case load of around 85 clients and deal with a lot of the client's dysfunctional family members and frankly that is the oldest trick in the book. They just leave you feeling so good that "we had this little talk and now I feel we have bonded even deeper in our mutual understanding of each other". All warm and fuzzy, but reality, "Not"  Also I too work in a small office, have a great bond with co-workers, we laugh a lot and really truly have a great time together, I even consider them my family, however I learned after watching what happened to my ill co-workers that you can still not trust them completely. I would still be very guarded around her and even others and would stop sharing things that she can later twist around and use against you. Believe me I actually get along very well with others, but I have learned this lesson over the years and although it may sound harsh, negative, and very cynical, I will bet my money that she turned right around and made fun of you even more after your little talk.

  • 2z54
    2z54 Member Posts: 261
    edited June 2010

    Hi Deb,

    I'm sorry you're going through all this work-related stress on top of feeling so poorly. Hope your doctors can find a solution to the nausea, etc. soon!

    As for work, I was pushed out of a very high tech company that is constantly voted one of the country's greatest places to work.  Yeah, if you're young and healthy!  I was 55 and diagnosed with bc. After going through chemo (working from home), and then taking 4 months off for bilat mast and immediate DIEP recon, they really put the pressure on me upon my return to work. I had gotten a new boss, and she was a b-ch!  Anyway, I saw the writing on the wall and contacted a lawyer before things went too far.  When they finally put me on a Performance Improvement Plan (2 weeks after my mother passed away!), my lawyer took over and started speaking for me, which meant that I didn't have to answer their b.s. requests and could stop stressing over their nonsense; constantly wondering what was wrong with ME???   Long story short, I am no longer with that company (for which I am gratefull, even in this economy!), and my lawyer was able to negotiate a far better severance package than they proposed after my lawyer told them that I knew they were pushing me out.

    My advice... speak with a lawyer who is versed in employment discrimination - on the employee's side.  I'd tell you to do a Google search, but I use BING now!!!!

    Good luck!

    Sue

  • AnacortesGirl
    AnacortesGirl Member Posts: 1,758
    edited June 2010

    Another thought.

    How about presenting your co-worker with a gift (flowers?) as a thank you for her consideration and her understanding while having to "put up" with your illness in the office?  It would be an open acknowledgement to her that it hasn't been the best of situations and it could show her that you really appreciate her support.  Even if the kindness hasn't been there, treating it as if it has can sometimes bring out a different side of people.  It may get her totally on your side.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited June 2010

    gosh.. awful things to deal with.  I kind of like the idea of directly approaching her as a first step.  .. perhaps with a card rather than flowers because of the expense.  Sometimes, a little communication goes a long way.  I would be reluctant to go to my boss but would do so if 'talking' did not work.  Some people are naturally so evil and it might not help in the least.  My own sister is the world's most effusive b**ch and there is frankly nothing that will change her. 

    a last step would be legally approaching this.  i'm so sorry you are dealing with this.

  • GointoCarolina
    GointoCarolina Member Posts: 753
    edited June 2010

    Almost as soon as I started chemo,I had stomach issues.I had had problems before,but the chemo really irritated my GI system,to the point I was hospitalised for ten days with severe duodenal erosion.I never vomited but was so nauseous and had diarhhea.They did an endoscopy and said my duodenum looked like a pepperoni pizza it was so raw and eroded.I was put on carafate and that finally healed my duodenum. I had to really push the issue as everyone thinks chemo and nausea go hand in hand.I  took Lglutamine and sublingual Vitamin B as I was not absorbing nutrients properly.It also seems you are extremely stressed, that alone will do a number on your stomach.If they have not done an endoscopy,please insist on one. Take care.

  • Laurie_R
    Laurie_R Member Posts: 262
    edited June 2010

    Apple,

    Our sisters must be related, at least my younger one.  My older sister has been my rock and greatest support person since begining of this trip

  • Mom3
    Mom3 Member Posts: 170
    edited June 2010

    Is there a human resources person you can go to? 

  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited June 2010

    Thanks, everyone, for your words of wisdom.  I've been only talking about my health if someone asks me at work.  I went to my Gi Doc and oncologist this past monday.  I am scheduled for an egd scope on this coming monday and they have started me on Zofran during work hours and have me back on a probiatic pill daily and 2 prescription prilosec per day.  I take phenergan when at home and not driving.  The Zofran is really helping me so much during work hours.  It has stopped the nausea and vomiting.  I take one before going to work and I take one at 12noon, so I feel my old self again. :)

    I'm thinking brighter since I'm feeling much better.  My oncologist put me back on the Tamoxifen after being off of it for 5 days. But since symptoms persisted, its not the Tamoxifen causing the problems.  Will keep everyone updated as to how the egd goes. 

    Take care everyone,

    deb

  • ADK
    ADK Member Posts: 2,259
    edited June 2010

    Hi Deb,

    I just read through your thread and halfway through, I waas thinking you needed prilosec - I have had Crohn's disease for over 20 years and a couple of years ago, I started having the same nausea and vomiting you experienced.  My GI put me on two prilosec a day (a.m & p.m.) and I have not had the problem since.  I am so glad you are doing better and I hope your test goes well.

  • 116
    116 Member Posts: 108
    edited December 2012

    Deb, That is fabulous news!!!!!, it must be such a relief to not be nauseas and vomiting at work anymore, Good wishes sent your way for your GI tests too. Yeah!

  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited June 2010

    Hi, ya'll.  I had my Egd today.  The gi doctor said he found red areas in the stomach so he did a biopsy. It will take 2 weeks to get the results back.  I got a copy of the report after he left,  and it read: Endoscopic impression: Normal duodenal folds, Normal Ge Junction, Gastritis in the body and the antrum of the stomach.

    Recommendations:  Avoid aspirin and nsaids, await biopsy results, regular diet w/zofran and phenergan. 

    I'm thinking positive. At least I have a game plan.    Rn said they have to check to see if any cancer is present.  I'm hoping no. 

    will let ya'll know in a couple weeks when I get the results. 

    Take care,

    Deb

  • Joviangeldeb
    Joviangeldeb Member Posts: 213
    edited July 2010

    Update:  I got my results of the egd.  No cancer, no h poly bacteria.  the red areas were irritation from either stress or nsaids.  Since I'm still having alot of nausea and vomiting after being on two prescription strength prilosec per day,  my gi doc is thinking it may be Gastroparesis.  He's scheduling me for a gastric emptying test, has started me on Reglan and took me off the Zofran.  Zofran was not working very well after I'd been on it a few weeks. I'm also on phenergan if I need it.  He said if the gastric emptying test comes back negative, next step is a cat scan of the head, just to rule out any cause of the vomiting and nausea up there. Since all my gi tract, liver, etc is coming back okay, he's thinking its either this gastroparesis or something outside the gi system causing it.  I'll keep posting.

    Has anyone else ever had this gastroparesis?

    deb

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