TC vs. TAC must decide!
Hi everyone!
I have been to two oncologists that are both respected. One says TC and the other says TAC. Evidently, there is some thought that Adriamycin is not very effective on lobular cancer. My tumor was 10 cm, I am 55, premenopausal, no vascular invasion, healthy otherwise, and all the statistics below. The 2 lymph nodes had microscopic cells. This is difficult for me. I know this cancer is sneaky and persistent. Anyone have any thoughts? I am running out of time-must decide ASAP. I hope someone can help. Thanks! Susan
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SKBL - I don't have an answer but would suggest getting more information from each of the oncologists to help you decide. Ask each one exactly why they are recommending that treatment and what differences you might expect with each. I have heard that A can be hard on the heart so I think that is a consideration too. I am struggling with a similar decision and really sympathize. I'm meeting with my onc on Monday and would like her to show me statistics on each type of treatment. I was also playing around on a "cancer math" calculator I found online, but thought I'd take the numbers to go over with the doctor to make sure I'm looking at it correctly. Good luck to you! ~Beans
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Hi Susan,
My story is in other places here on the ILC boards, but since you are in a hurry I'll share it here briefly. I had lots of tumor in my breast, small nodules were spread over an 8cm area. One conglomerate of nodules was at least 2.1 cm and the "tumor bed" after chemo was bigger than that but they don't know because of the chemo effects. I had individual cells in 3 of 9 nodes they looked at, one of these nodes had a cluster of about 1mm so I guess that could be called positive. I had a sentinel node biopsy before chemo. My cells had "moderately pleomorphic" nuclei instead of the small nuclei in Grade 1 lobular, so it was called "lobular with features of pleomorphic lobular", PILC. My oncologist (and second opinion also) recommended AC at 2 week intervals. I ended up having 6 of these infusions because after 4 treatments my mastectomy pathology showed residual viable cancer cells. Response was estimated at 95% + though by MRI and pathology, so that is a very good response. I think that shows that at least some lobular responds well to AC. Most people don't do this, but I had chemosensitivity tests done on the residual cancer to see if another chemo would work better than AC. The tests showed that the cells would continue to respond to AC, but not any of the taxanes, platinums, or "beans". That's why my last two chemos were AC, too.
Nobody I have spoken with knows what markers indicate one chemo will work better than another. My oncologist thought I would respond because in his experience pleomorphic lobular does, but he was very pleased that it responded so well. It's really terrible to have to decide. I think if I were being treated today instead of back in 2005 my oncologists may have recommended TC. I am glad they didn't. My oncotype DX was 23. My ER was strongly positive by IHC but only 8.3 by Oncotype. My PR was negative by IHC and 5.8 (barely positive) by Oncotype. I don't know if hormone receptor levels matter, but I read in a few articles that low ER cancers may respond better to chemo.
This turned out to be a longer post than I thought. Anyway, whatever decision you make, based on what the experts are telling you and your research, be a peace with it. It's helped me to feel that I did what I thought was right at the time. I've read that others feel that way, too. Somehow we seem to feel inside, somewhat, what we should do.
All the very best, HUGS, G.
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The biggest long-term side effect from Adriamycin is possible damage to your heart function. If your heart is in good shape, I'd say why not have the drug and have all bases covered. On the other hand, if you already have heart problems, I would skip it and the possible damage.
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I'd be a bit wary of a family history of heart disease with respect to A also, especially since you're rather young to show heart problems yet. That was one factor in my decision to avoid it, but there are cases like Gitane's where it works very well. A tough call.
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I don't know if this has already been discussed, but leukemia is another rare but possible side effect of Adriamycin, I think. I don't know if it is a possible SE of other chemos, too. Get professional opinions on this. It's just so important to know as much as you can. Thinking of you! G.
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Other cnacers are possible side effects from almost all the chemos. A lot depends on your previous exposure to other carcinogens, such as I found out that people in the printing industry who are heavily exposed to benzene (a known carcinogen) have a higher risk of developing leukemia after taking cytoxin for another cancer...such as breast cancer.
I don't work directly in printing, but I'm in a related industry and was probably exposed to benzene more than I know. Also, I used to use rubber cement and thinner which contain toluene, also a carcinogen.
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I had TAC chemo x 6 every 3 weeks. Had chest xray, heart echo, and I forget the 3rd test prior to starting chemo....I'm 4+ years out from Dx...
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