June 2010 Rads

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  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited June 2010

    Hi ladies. I got my second path opinion back. Even though I have strong suspicions that the node slide was compromised in the OR, no way to prove that so armpit zap here I go. I do my final sim tomorrow and the 1st of 16 treatments is Thursday. My radonc says that despite my CA being left breast, my chest wall is constructed such that I will have no rad to heart or lung. Here's hoping. Kind of scared but have to keep the stiff upper lip going or my super-sensitve DH will freak. 

  • Mouse6
    Mouse6 Member Posts: 246
    edited June 2010

    I might cause some controversy here, but I don't see what the big deal is about the tattoos. They're so tiny!

    I have a question - are any of the node positive ladies being radiated above the collar bone in the neck area?

  • Ana1973
    Ana1973 Member Posts: 88
    edited June 2010

    Hi Mouse...I'm one of them. The way it was explained to me is that cancer can go from the breast to the nodes under the arm to the nodes by the collar bone and out to the rest of the body. My rads onc wanted to be safe and radiate that area. How many rads have you had so far? Any reaction in that area?

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited June 2010

    My Radonc wnats to do axilla but not the supra. Probably becuase I am 58 and had a 17 Oncotyoe score. Who knows why these guys do what they do? So far, nothing has made much sense to me. I just keep on keeping on and eat and live healthy and try real hard to do what the docs recommend but I tend to balk at stuff that makes no sense to me. I research and then decide.

  • Ana1973
    Ana1973 Member Posts: 88
    edited June 2010

    Just an update...today was dr visit day...I asked a few questions and here is what I was told...

    Question 1- I've been having muscle spasms in my breast is that normal? Answer- Muscle spasms are normal. Pins and needles may also be experienced. If it becomes painful, take Advil.

    Question 2- I understand since I have had nodes removed I am at risk of LE, and that radiation will increase that risk, is that correct? Answer- Once nodes are remove you have a 10% chance of getting LE, radiation adds an additional 10% for a total of 20% or 1 in 5 of getting the condition.

    I don't know how accurate his percentages are, but I asked for a referral to an LE therapist. I hope to be meeting with someone in the next week or two.

    Hugs to you all!

    Ana

  • amIdoneyet
    amIdoneyet Member Posts: 38
    edited June 2010

    Leta17, I did have a MRI after chemo before surgery and radiation.  This was to see what response my tumor and lymph nodes had to the chemo.  I was glad that they did it becuase it showed a great response to chemo!

  • faithfulc
    faithfulc Member Posts: 284
    edited June 2010

    Mouse6, I'm in the same camp - 1 out of 7 nodes positive so they'll irradiate the breast and the collarbone. 

    The way they explained it to me of why the collarbone and not the armpit area is: (1) it seems that the nodes in the armpit area is taken care of (by seeing ONLY 1 out of 7), and (2) since there are cancer cells in the lymph system, the next place they will likely go is the nodes around the collarbone.  This is an area very difficult to get to surgically, so radiation is my best defense. 

    It made some sense to me, but I do worry about how my neck will look and respond.  When do you start?

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited June 2010

    Final sim done today. Man, that death machine scared the %$p out of me. I thought I had a grip but walking in to the room with the 2 ft thick lead walls really freaked me out. All the final moving and adjusting had me jumping out of my skin. So tomorrow is the first of 16 tx. 7:45 AM and I will try really hard to go to my happy place. Oh, then after that at 11, off to have a biopsy on my parotid gland (that showed up in the post surgery PET scan). Jeezy peezy. When it rains it pours.

     Oh and can I just say I am REALLY scared? Thanks for listening.

  • leta17
    leta17 Member Posts: 120
    edited June 2010

    Hi ladies, I can officially join this group, my biopsy was B9, it was scar tissue that the MRI picked up!! 

    I start on Monday since I have my markings and had my dry run last week.  My Radiologist also cleared my 4 day weekend trip that falls in the middle of rads, missing 2 txs.  That was a big relief!  I like faithfulc and others will have the breast and up to the collar bone radiated, but not the armpit.  Faithfulc explained it perfectly:)

  • michelle_nj
    michelle_nj Member Posts: 50
    edited June 2010
    Hi Ladies,
    I'm glad you started this group. I had my simulation last Thursday and will have the setup next Thursday. And start radiations next Friday, June 25 for 25 sessions.
    I had bmx with TE, chemo, dose dense AC and biweekly Taxol. Then after a month from chemo I had the exchange operation on May 21.
    I have been also reluctant to radiation and on the beginning I hopped I didn't need it. Then I wanted to refuse it, but I'm too scared of recurrence to do it. I'm in the gray area and the reason for radiation is multifocal ILC.

    Cathy, I'm also with implants in. My PS told me there are 20% chances of failure, so we should keep our fingers crossed for the implants to survive.
    My WBC was 2.6 last week and I'm a bit worried. Anybody else with low WBC?

    Best wishes to everybody

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited June 2010

    Today was tx 1 of 16. It was weird in that around three hours later I felt heat from within my breast emanating out. I am using emu oil so have applied it three times today. After the tx, I had to go get a biopsy of my parotid lymph nodes (they lit up on the post-op PET). Lucky me, benign. Whew. I need to focus on BC.

  • mabelle
    mabelle Member Posts: 80
    edited June 2010

    I'm almost finished my 2nd week of rads, and still no discolouration or pain or significant fatigue. 

    I'm getting armpit, collarbone, and breast radiated. I had a double mastectomy and lymph nodes removed, with immediate reconstruction. I've had tissue expanders in for about 10 months now - and will have to wait 6 months post radiation to get my implants. Doc didn't say anything about the expanders being compromised, but the 6 month wait is to ensure my skin is healed enough to withstand the additional surgery. 

    Barbara - I hear you on the freaki-ness of the 2 foot wide walls and doors! When I saw those - it really hit home how seriously bad this radiation stuff is!

    I'm not having any blood work done with radiation. Michelle - is this a standard test where you're having your treatment? I was poked enough during chemo, so quite glad not to have to go through that anymore.

    Here's to healthy skin for everyone!! 

  • rayofsun
    rayofsun Member Posts: 204
    edited June 2010

    had day 3 of 28 today. collar bone, left axilla and left chest being treated. double mast on april 15th, have expanders, DIEP to be done jan 5th. kinda dragging since yesterday, time will tell.

    ray

  • chita
    chita Member Posts: 48
    edited June 2010

    I just finished my second week, 5 to go!  My breast is a little pink, I'm really smearing the Miaderm on.  It was itchy the other day, but not too bad.  I tried to go jogging with a less than supportive bra, and that didn't work, it is just sore.  I've been tired, but not debilitated.  Of course, they all tell you it doesn't start until the third week, so I guess I'll see next week.  I think a lot of the fatigue is just the fact that you have to go in there every day.  I started crying for no reason yesterday, I haven't done that for a while. There is a woman who gets rads right before me, she just finished her 4th week and has had no problems.  She's an inspiration to me, I strive to be like her.  Good luck everyone!

  • michelle_nj
    michelle_nj Member Posts: 50
    edited June 2010

    Mabelle - I love Vancouver, it's a great please to be. Where in Vancouver do you live?
    I lived there for more than 10 years and I still have my house in Richmond.
    I think I will not have any blood work done with radiation that will start next Friday. This was my oncologist that gave me the post chemo/post implants exchange tests. She wanted to make sure I will be fine with radiations, so she's preparing me. I also started Tamoxifen this Monday.
    Did you girls use any creams in preparation for radiation?
    My rads people didn't bother to tell me anything. When I asked about creams, they said ‘use the usual staff: Aquaphor and Eucerin". I used Eucerin for the last 4 months with chemo, but I just got in the habit of reading the ingredients in any product I use and realized that it contains parabens. Great!

    Chita - Miaderm? I never heard about it. Is it good?

    Good luck with your workout, I heard it really helps fight fatigue.

  • faithfulc
    faithfulc Member Posts: 284
    edited June 2010

    I visited Vancouver early June and loved it.  It was my second time there.

    Just bought a tube of Fruit of the Earth's 100% Aloe Vera Gel at Rite Aid today.  It was only $3.99 and I'm going to try it.  I also have a tube of Radiaguard that I may try - it does have paraben in it though.

    This after I went in for a simulation at 4pm.  Arrived at 3:55 and was out by 4:10.  The real deal starts next Monday.

    Ran into this website about safety of cosmetics so thought I'd share:

    http://www.cosmeticsdatabase.com/ 

  • Access2010
    Access2010 Member Posts: 33
    edited June 2010

    I've done 7 out of 33 (I walked in there yesterday proclaiming this is REALLY getting boring and they just smiled and said you're only on 7? You've got a long way to go!).  They prescribed Radiagel so I've been putting that on twice a day. One part near my surgery site is starting to discolor and look sort of orange-peely, ever so slightly.  I noticed that michelle_nj said she starts Tamoxifen (presumably being taken concurrently with rads).  I've seen two radiation oncologists and they both said there is disagreement on this issue, with some wanting the Tamoxifen to start after radiation is complete. My medical oncologist warned me that radiation folks differ on this issue. It seems to be something to do with Tamoxifen serving to suppress rapidly developing cells and radiation is actually targeting rapidly developing cells, so you want radiation to be able to find the target cells, thus if they're being medically suppressed you might not get them. Interesting concept.   The one radiation doctor who advocated going ahead and starting was of the position that there were only two studies out there on this and that they had conflicting results, so he said it would be ok to start. My medical oncologist said he had absolutely  no problem with me waiting the 7 weeks to start Tamoxifen, so I decided to wait. Just wondering how many of you who will be taking Tamoxifen have already started while in radiation.

    smiles to you all! 

  • chita
    chita Member Posts: 48
    edited June 2010

    michele_nj:  I ordered Miaderm online.  There is a thread about creams on this website.  It seems that a lot of people had good luck with Miaderm.  I've been slathering it on, started a week before treatment.  It is very cooling when it goes on, and not greasy at all.  I will also sometimes put some coconut oil on before I go to bed, it's pretty greasy.  The radiation onc. nurse also gave me some xclair.  I use that when I have itching.  I sat outside in the sun yesterday and today  noticed a heat rash mostly on the side that is radiated.  I didn't expose my skin to the sun, it was just hot.  I guess I better not do that anymore.  Has anyone had that problem?

    Access2010: My medical oncologist told me to start the Tamoxifen one week after finishing radiation.  I don't know why, I didn't question it.  I'm glad to tackle one thing at a time, I wouldn't want to be dealing with hot flashes on top of the radiation.  I didn't have to do chemo.

  • michelle_nj
    michelle_nj Member Posts: 50
    edited June 2010
    Chita - Thanks a lot for the Miaderm suggestion. I'll order it too. The only thing is that my plastic surgeon didn't let me put anything on the incision, 4-6 weeks after the operation that was 4 weeks ago. And I'm still wearing a compression garment even at night. So I have to figure out how to use the creams under my garment.
    Faithfulc - Thanks for the Aloe Vera Gel tip. It sounds like a good deal.
    Access2010 - My oncologist postponed the Tamoxifen till almost a month after my exchange surgery. But now, almost 2 months after I finished chemo, she thinks I shouldn't wait any longer. She asked the radiation oncologist and they agreed on me starting it now, instead of waiting another 5 weeks.
    I'm not very excited of starting Tamoxifen, even less excited about radiations, but even less less excited of getting the cancer back, so I decided to take it now.
  • allisontom911
    allisontom911 Member Posts: 425
    edited June 2010

    Hi everyone--just wanted to introduce myself. I started rads on 6/16. I will have the bolus every other treatment. I am already red under my arm but my mx/breast area looks good. I am getting breast, axilla, supra and lymph nodes in my chest radiated.

    I am using Miaderm as that is all my rads onc recommends. I also tried Tom's deodorant but it sucks and I still stink...oh well.

    I was told I could not swim but I am going to have another conversation with my rads onc about that this week.

    I love all the people I am working with. I am super super tired but I have been thru chemo from 12/21-4/7 then had RMX 5/10, my father in law passed away suddenly on 5/19, then i had surgery for 3 herniated disc in my lower back on 5/27 and got a stupid staph infection from that and was in the hospital from 6/6 til 6/10. Just been a crappy month. I have been put under 4x in less than 4 weeks.

    I hope to get to know all of you better thru this journey.

  • Access2010
    Access2010 Member Posts: 33
    edited June 2010

    Chita: Your comment reminded me that the other thing the radiation doc said for why he prefers to wait until after radiation is that Tamoxifen may have some side effects and his job was to be watching for side effects of radiation and he did not want Tamoxifen side effects to potentially interfere or obscure things he wants to be watching for. I thought that seemed logical.  I'll look up the Miaderm info too. Radiation doc also does not want me to slather any creams into my surgical incision from the lumpectomy (x2). It is quite a deep canal-like scar following the line of my areola (my tumor area was (oh, I like the sound of that past tense!) directly straight back behind my nipple. He doesn't want anything to get infected down in the crevice.

    AllisonTom911: Goodness, you've certainly had a lot to go through. Sending you positive healing energies! 

    And, I can't stand not wearing deoderant! I tried cornstarch babypowder and that smell really  stops me in my tracks (probably everyone else too!-- I feel bad for the poor Rad Tech working on that side ;)  So, I did try Tom's Deoderant in Honeysuckle scent. I'm finding that's not too bad-- maybe I should ask the Rad TEch's opinion ;). The lady in the Breast Center giftshop was telling me there is some kind of stone that she usually carries that you rub on your armpit.  Hmmm, this sounds a bit fishy. Has anyone used this? Does it work?

  • Melinda41
    Melinda41 Member Posts: 672
    edited June 2010

    The stone deodorant is called crystal deodorant and I bought mine at a health food store. I think I even saw some at Walgreens last time I was there.

    It is a rock looking thing and you dampen it and rub it on your armpit. It will not keep you from sweating, but it inhibits the bacteria that causes the odor.

    Since my mast/node removal, I don't sweat much on that side. But I make up for it on the other side. So I wear my crystal stuff on rads side and regular antiperspirant on the good side.

  • lindee629
    lindee629 Member Posts: 61
    edited June 2010

    Hi all...just finished #17 of 33 on Friday, and last week my skin started to get itchy, blotchy, and a little red, dammit. Been slathering on the ointment Aquaphor which helps for a little bit. I have 3 more weeks to go arrgghh....not feeling too fatigued yet so thats a plus.  I am only getting rads to the breast area, not above the collarbone--but I had a positive node so maybe I should ask why I am not getting it there too. Armpit itself is not getting zapped so I got the OK to use normal deodorant, thank God. I started Tamoxifen about a week after i started rads and neither the chemo doc or the rads doc seemed to have a problem with it. I guess I feel OK on the Tamoxifen...pretty much don't feel any different. My chemo doc does have me taking it with a baby aspirin every day b/c there is a risk of blood clots with it.  Well, 16 more treatments to go and I will be done with rads woo hoo!!!  Take care all!!!

  • pumpkinsoup
    pumpkinsoup Member Posts: 34
    edited June 2010

    Hi girls! I started rads on June 8th. Sim was June 1st. Got an infection from one of the tattoos--right on my TE! Cleared up immediately with keflex (thank goodness).

    I'm having 25 sessions with a bolus every other day and am only getting rads to breast area and axilla, not collarbone. Onc. and I discussed that IF I got a recurrence, we could still radiate that area--I didn't want to take too many chances with lymphedema. I'm also working closely with my PT, who is a fabulous lymphedema PT. Lots of stretching and breaking up scar tissue so lymph system can drain.

    My radiation onc said I could go swimming--my four year old starts swimming lessons in one week. But, I don't think I'll go in the water. My skin's still fine, but my arm movement is getting tighter. Nine down, sixteen to go, and PT twice a week!

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited June 2010

    Allisontom9, so sorry you had to go through all that on top of dealing with breast cancer.

    As far as deoderant, I use the Crystal pump spray deopderant and it really works. You need to allow your pits to air dry (or use a hair dryer on cool) but it really works for me here in FL in the summer.

    Had tx 2 Friday and noted that after both tx I had rib pain off and on exactly where the under-breast tattoo is. Wonder what that means. Also had pain around armpit incision off and on after both tx. ??

    My big concern is, the radonc said he would be getting part of my lung. "A very small part 1-2%." he said. Someone remind me again why I quit smoking? I thought I would jump off a cliff while quitting smoking and now that I am cool with it, I find out I am a great candidate for LC?

    As someone wiser than I said:

    'when it rains it pours' and 'if it can go wrong, do everything you can to prevent it from happening'.

    Cool

  • redsoxfan
    redsoxfan Member Posts: 162
    edited June 2010

    Good morning, Ladies.

    Thought I'd chime in.  My oncologist said to start Tamoxiphen the day radiation ended   She said the side effects of tamoxiphen could make the radiation an uncomfortable experience. The radiation oncologist agreed with her and said I could wait a couple of weeks...Think I'll split the difference.

    My collection of creams, gels, and oil includes Alba unscented, fruit of the Earth Aloe gel, and Emu Gold emu oi.  Aquaphor was recommended but I'm allergic to lanolin.  For deodorant, I bought Kiss My Face Liquid Rock.  Lindee629:   your deodorant concerns made me smile.  The radiation techs must have quite a few stories about armpits, odors, and close up positioning. 

    AllisonTom911:   Wow, you've had more than your share to deal with.  No wonder you're exhausted.  Take good care of yourself and rest when you know you need to.

    Access2010: About the cornstarch.  So many at this site say good things about cornstarch.  The rad nurse told me to avoid it.  She said that it could lead to fungal infection. 

    BarbaraA:  I'm concerned about the lung exposure and "scatter" to the heart as well.  The resident told me that my heart would only get a single digit percent of one per cent.  My thing is, how do I know that.  It's the invisible-ness of all of this that I find so worrisome.  A lot of trust involved here.

    My radiation starts Wednesday.  25+5 boobst. The sim on Tuesday. 

    Read someone someone, somewhere call this experience Camp Nookaboobie.  Think I'd rather be at Camp Granada.

  • mixin
    mixin Member Posts: 48
    edited June 2010

    BarbarA: I share your "death machine" view. I never knew I had such a dislike of some huge machine scanning me. I had an MRI for my shoulder and I made the mistake of opening my eyes once I got in there. I made her pull me back out and cover my eyes... and that was with taking a Valium. 

    I'm having both sides radiated because I had cancer in both breasts. Even though there was no node involvement, the rad tech said they were catching the edge of my lung because there were nodes there, too.

    Redsoxfan: I was very concerned about mistakes being made and machine malfunction and asked the radiologist about it. He said that was their concern also and they did everything possible to make sure those things don't happen.

    The machine forms a pixelated-like image of the area to be radiated and that must match up with the computer image the techs have. My machine makes noises while it's forming the pic; then when the techs compares pic and it matches, they turn the "in use" light and the resulting noise. 

  • sunflower77
    sunflower77 Member Posts: 5
    edited June 2010

    I start my rads June 14. ( pelvic rad.for bone mets )

  • Access2010
    Access2010 Member Posts: 33
    edited June 2010

    Just this morning I got an email from The BodyShop advertising their new product called DeoDry a deoderant that has no aluminum salts or parabens. I think it is also the rock kind.  It says it costs $4 for the new introductory price and $3 for refills. I like their products and philosophy so I think I'll give this a try. Then I'll stop ranting about deoderants ;)  

    Also, my radiation takes place in a brand new Breast Center building and so its funny that I didn't even notice two-foot thick walls and doors. Today I'm going to look more closely. It may be that they have done a good job hiding the scariness with new architectural design (or maybe my single-minded focus on ushering those nasty cells out of my body with each zap contributed to my overlooking the "scenery")

     I also see the rad doc every monday after my treatment.

    Welcome sunflower77-- hang in there!

  • KKeckiella
    KKeckiella Member Posts: 5
    edited June 2010

    Hi,  Just wanted to chime in.  I had my LAST rads one week ago (23regular, 7Boost).  I worked full time until my skin really started to let me know a modification was needed.  No open areas but did get red and some swelling.  I've been able to get a few weeks off to heal up.   The radiation nurse gave me  Natural Care Gel (aloe based) for at least 4x per day. That worked very well- quite soothing.  She also had me use Medline Remedy w/ Olivine Sk. Repair Cr. I had good luck with that too even tho it is pretty fragrant.  After the reddness got so bad they switched me to Biafine.  I guess it helped prevent any skin breakdown but it does smell pretty vile.  I feel that having the extra time off to expose the area and not have to deal with sweat under my breast made all the difference for me.  I'm very fair and have always sunburned easily.

    I had 'pit 'issues' and finally got a natural deo. from the healthfood store that worked wonders.  Coming straight to RadTX from work at 4PM made  it pretty hard to be ahh.. fresh.  A little wash cloth treatment in the dressing room wasn't cutting it at all.  I felt sorry for the techs too. 

     Now a week out from my last tx. my skin is healing up nicely, feels good and I am sort of looking forward to returning to work.  Now- must start the hunt for some sort of bra substitute.  Not that hanging in the breeze isn't sort of fun. People have asked me if I've lost weight but I think it is because I'm not wearing the underwire projectiles.

    Hang in there. I feel like my brain got to heal up after the chemo while I did the rad thing. It will go by in a flash but TLC is definitely required.   Karen

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