help with vit D levels

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  • Luna5
    Luna5 Member Posts: 738
    edited June 2010

    I think it is pretty difficult to OD on D 3 when you are deficient.  I did 20,000 mg a day for 4 months to get mine from 22 to 61 and my doc says to take 15,000 one day and 20,000 the next and continue alternating until we check again in 4 months. 

    Just google side effects of too much D 3 and watch for those if you're worried.

    I live in Florida and did sit outside most days for a little while over the last few years.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited June 2010
  • juli0212
    juli0212 Member Posts: 1,415
    edited June 2010

    *Bump* backatcha!   :)

    I am going to call my endocrinologist tomorrow.  I'm getting really light-headed (I suffer daily migraines/nausea/vomiting, that's not unusual for me, I'm disabled due to them), and in looking up side effects of high doses of vitamin d2 or d3 (to treat the deficiency) it can cause higher calcium levels in the blood (I also have primary hyperparathyroidism/high calcium in blood).  So this could all be making me pretty light-headed.  I'm going to ask to be switched from the 50,000ius of D2 to the D3/cholecalciferol if that does not also affect calcium/parathyroid. 

    Got all that???   LOL...I try to.   ALL my best to you all, I have learned a lot here.  (I will still defer to my doctors, understandably)   :)  :)   ~juli

  • DaylilyFan
    DaylilyFan Member Posts: 80
    edited June 2010

    Hi, ladies!  I burn very easily so I do wear sunscreen and usually a hat as well.  I'm certainly taking a D3 supplement, but I wonder if I get any benefit from my sun exposure?  I live in central Ohio and am in the garden quite a bit May through September.

  • juli0212
    juli0212 Member Posts: 1,415
    edited June 2010

    Hi DaylillyFan!   I also burn very easily, and am NOT in the sun (I live in Upstate NY--very similar to Ohio weather).  From what I know and have read, any MINIMUM exposure daily to the sun without sunscreen is beneficial (15min. tops I believe).  Have you been tested for your Vitamin D levels lately?  Us NorthEasterners are so prone to vitamin d deficiency.  I took a D3, 1000ius daily for a long time, and came up very deficient (hence the now 50,000ius weekly for 9 more weeks)...but I also hate the sun, so I'm never in it if at all possible.  I do garden, but only in the early a.m. or after sun goes down, lol.   I'm sure there are others with much more expertise here than me that will chime in for ya!   Take care~~~juli

  • Makratz
    Makratz Member Posts: 12,678
    edited June 2010

    Feel better, Juli!

  • juli0212
    juli0212 Member Posts: 1,415
    edited June 2010

    Thank You, Makraz~!   Hope you had a good weekend, girlie.

    ~juli

  • catwood
    catwood Member Posts: 93
    edited June 2010

    Hello all. I am still in the waiting for my results to come back stage but I thought you may be interested in this link which is where I get my capsules for 50,000 u D3. These are inexpensive and from a reliable source. I am on the board for the Natural Products Association and Dr. Prendergasts work is the real thing. They makes the whole supplement thing tolerable since you only have to take one.

    http://www.applehealthfoods.net/common/specials/store_specials.asp?storeID=9468956E574944268DFC4C72B33A1B61

  • cs7777
    cs7777 Member Posts: 570
    edited June 2010

    Daylily,  Sunscreen blocks the UVB needed for your skin to make D, so unless your sunscreen wears off or you sweat it off you won't make (much) D.  If you don't wear it and have exposed skin you most certainly would make it in your May-Sept sun-time even in Ohio. 

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited June 2010

    This may be a dumb question, but if I had skin cancer on my nose about 2 years ago would that increase my chances of getting it again if I am not wearing sunscreen?  Should I wear sunscreen and try to get my Vit D another way?

  • cs7777
    cs7777 Member Posts: 570
    edited June 2010

    I'm no doc and you should really check with yours on that, however, my husbands three family members who have had skin cancers are instructed to always wear sunscreen and hats and avoid direct sun on their skin.  You can get your vit D from supplements.

  • seaotter
    seaotter Member Posts: 1,083
    edited June 2010

    Ang7 - I too have had many skin cancers. I lived in Arizona and Florida for years. I have done some research on this sunscreen stuff. I found out some of the ingredients in sunscreens can cause cancer Yell. So now I buy only zinc sunscreen with no other crap in it. If you want the brands I will pm you so just ask! I also have been getting in the sun mid-day or early morning for 15 to 30 minutes. I try everyday but don't always make it. I think in moderation it is very good for us. Get that vit d3 level up!!!!! I also cover my face in the sun. No sun for it!

    Paty

  • coonie
    coonie Member Posts: 7,618
    edited June 2010

    I'm getting a little discouraged with these Vitamin D's. I take my 3rd one tomorrow (50,000 IU's). So far, I cannot tell there's a bit of difference in the pain. Especially my feet and hands. When I get up in the mornings, I feel like every bone in my feet is going to crack. uggghhhhh I'm looking for a miracle.....maybe it'll come.

    Thank all of you for your information and research. It's priceless!! It really is. I've learned so much from these boards. And I will print these suggestion out for my oncologist to read.

    Hugs to all of you!

  • Makratz
    Makratz Member Posts: 12,678
    edited June 2010

    Coonie,

    I took D3 while I was taking the RX D2.  Maybe you could talk to your doctor about that or just get some over the counter D3 to boost your levels.

    XOXO

    Linda

  • anondenet
    anondenet Member Posts: 715
    edited June 2010

    Patty, honey, no need to pm good brands of sunscreen. We all want to know. I've had skin cancer on my nose on and off. And I need a good brand. I've been using the Neutrogena 100% blocking brand but it is fiiled with crap.

    Please post any good sunscreens you know of.

    xox A.

  • seaotter
    seaotter Member Posts: 1,083
    edited June 2010

    Oh anon, it is always so good to see your eye!!! The brands I am trying now are:Kiss my Face (face & neck) spf 30. It is 100% paraben free. Burt's Bees chemical free sunscreen spf 30. Yes to Carrots (yep that is the brand name) spf 30. I think I found that at Target. I have not checked out all the ingredients of these but I figure it has got to be better than all the chemical stuff! I will let you know if I find more or if you do let me know. Kiss

    Love Patty

  • hlth4513
    hlth4513 Member Posts: 267
    edited June 2010

    Patty + Anon -

    I also have dealt with a history of skin cancer. I burn really easily - I  just started using the sunscreen from Mercola and we were kayaking in the HOT Florida sun for a couple of hours last week and I didn't burn.

    http://products.mercola.com/summer-survival-kit/

    Beth

  • coonie
    coonie Member Posts: 7,618
    edited June 2010

    Hey Jo!!! Sorry, but I just re-read my post and I had to correct it. I CAN'T tell any difference since I've been taking it. I took my 3rd one this morning.....still hurting. I'm just waiting and being patient. Maybe it will come soon.........hugs!

  • Sugar77
    Sugar77 Member Posts: 2,138
    edited June 2010

    After asking my surgeon....then my two oncs (medical and radiation) to test my Vitamin D levels and them all saying "no we don't do that"...I finally got my GP to test.  I got the results yesterday and it was 58. She said this is low normal and that I should be taking 1,000 IU of D3 per day.  What she didn't know was I had been taking 1,000 for the past few years and had bumped it up to at least 2,000 (...sometimes 3,000) per day for the past few months. If 58 is low normal, does anybody know what level is optimal?  And, any suggestions as to how much D3 to take daily to get to the good level?  Down the road, I think I'll enlist the services of a naturopath because I'm sure I can pay them to check it more frequently.  Our healthcare system is great where I live but I know it would be unlikely that I could get this checked again until my next annual checkup, especially because it as in the normal range, albeit low normal.

    Sherri 

  • coonie
    coonie Member Posts: 7,618
    edited June 2010

    hmmmmm mine was 25 and was told it should be between 30-100

    ??? I guess I's be confusedUndecided

  • Makratz
    Makratz Member Posts: 12,678
    edited June 2010

    I was told the same thing Coonie, 30-100, but recently I think my doc said 40-100.  Bottom line is, I don't think THEY know!!  I would be thrilled if mine were 58!!  Mine was 19 when I started supplementing.  Good for you, Sugar, and you live in ON????  Way to have a decent D level so far north!

  • juli0212
    juli0212 Member Posts: 1,415
    edited June 2010

    sugar77 & coonie:

    My oncologist/endocrinologist want my level to be around 70, it was 17 and I'd also been taking 1,000ius of Vitamin D3 for years.  I am on the 50,000ius right for 8 more weeks, hoping to 'up' my level, then we will decide what to do for maintenance to keep the levels up.   My GP had just told me when my level was 17 to take 2,000ius a day, no thank you...needed a bit more than that.

    We'll see after 8 more weeks and testing.  And yes, the higher dose can affect cholesterol levels and also calcium levels in the blood (I have hyperparathyroidism as well/high-normal calcium). (As per a previous post here)

    Good luck everyone and it's great to keep reading the info, thanks!  ~juli

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2010

    Hmm, so shall I stop taking the D3 supp until after my annual physical on Monday with my PCP so my cholesterol levels are not skewered?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2010

    Oh, and it's not mega doses - between the D3 and what's in with my multi and calcium I take about 3300 iu's a day.

  • MaryNY
    MaryNY Member Posts: 1,584
    edited June 2010

    Sugar: It's important to know there are two different units used to measure Vitamin D  - ng/ml and nmol/L. If yours is 58 ng/ml most doctors would describe that as being in the normal range (although there is no agreement on exactly what the normal range is, some labs use 30-100ng/ml as the normal reference range). But is your level is 58 nmol/L, then that would indeed be on the low side.

  • cs7777
    cs7777 Member Posts: 570
    edited June 2010

    Patoo, the vit D3 has a long residence time in your blood (1-2 months) so even if you stopped now you'd still have a lot in your body by Monday.  I'm unsure of the point you're making about cholesterol so I'll skip that part.

    The range of 30-100 is really a low end of ~30 ng/ml that's known to be the level needed for calcium-homeostasis (e.g., for your bones), and a guess at an upper level that's likely safe.  Some docs say if you're over 30 then you're fine, but the question is whether 30 ng/ml is the lower acceptable limit for all the other things D does in the body and that's just not known.  So a lot of docs are now saying why not make sure you're higher than 30 "just in case".  But not "too high" as there's some level that will eventually screw up your Ca homeostasis and, if I recall right, cause kidney problems, as well (and probably other things).  So the 100 is kind of pulled out of hat, but with safety in mind.  Anyway that's my reading of the data.

    CS

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited June 2010

    It is useless to get a cholesterol test if you are on 50,000 IU of D2.  It gives a false high reading of LDL's.  It takes at least a month of D2 to clear enough for a valid cholesterol test.  The lab that does my blood work wouldn't do a cholesterol test when I was on D2.

  • Sugar77
    Sugar77 Member Posts: 2,138
    edited June 2010

    MaryNY - I'm not sure which unit of measurement they used.  All I know is my GP said it was 58 amd that it was considered "low normal". Now I'm confused!

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited June 2010

    Sugar--ask your doc to give you a copy of the lab report--it will have the measurement units used and the normal range for those measurements.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2010
    notself, I'm on OTC D3 and someone mentioned false readings of cholesterol so I wasn't sure.  Bloodwork is next week so I'm not going to worry about it.  I will have to check my report however to see how they are measuring the units. 

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