mastectomy or lumpectomy?
I have just been diagnosed with Stage 1 of IDC. I have had ADH twice, once in each breast. In both cases surgery was done, but there was no follow up. I and my family feel that I should consider a double mastectomy. Does anyone have any feedback on this? I believe that the end decision ought to be mine, though I will listen to and follow the oncologists advice. I will see him tomorrow for the first time. I wish I knew what questions to ask him.
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Mastectomy..... I really do feel that this is the best route.... I hear.... of way. way, way too many people having reoccurance with only a lunpectomy.... good luck... HUGS!!
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Masectomy definitely. I was diagnosed with DCIS in the left breast this past April and chose simple bilateral Masectemy... sentinel node biopsy negative ....so happy I did as they found very very small <mm microinvasion in the tissue of the left breast after surgery accdg to pathology report. My Doctor said it would not have showed up on Mammo or MRI. Your goal is to get 'as close to that 100 %' cure rate as possible. I vote for Masectemy with reconstruction...
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Thank you so much for your feedback. My family also feels strongly that I should opt for a Mastectomy. I don't know if my insurance would pay for reconstruction. I doubt it, but then I am 70 years old and a body beautiful is no longer a necessity
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It is my understanding that it is federal law that insurance must cover reconstruction costs following a mastectomy.
That being said I need to add that mastectomy is not always the right way to go. Remember it is an individual decision, but it has been proven that the survival rate is the same with a lumpectomy and radiation as with a mastectomy.
I chose the lumpectomy route and had chemo and radiation based on my research. My oncologist strongly suggested after I was a year out, my hair back, feeling good, etc that I should now have a prophylactic double mastectomy. He said it would not change anything for the cancer I already had, but could lower my risk for future cancers and he knows I am a worrier. That part is true (the worrying) but after a second opinion and much research I decided no, since a mastectomy could not give me a guarantee since they cannot remove all breast tissue.
I am almost two years out now and doing well. I am being monitored very closely. Yes, I question lots of aches and pains, but most of them are not in the breast so the worries would still be there.
Please just take your time making your decision and remember it is your decision. Sometimes those around us are looking for, and need, their own peace of mind so might suggest things that would relieve their stress.
You cannot go back once you have removed your breasts. I know I may still have a mastectomy in my future, but only if another cancer is diagnosed and I know too that there is a good chance that will never happen. Time will tell.
Oh and for the record, I just turned 65.
Stay well,
Caren
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I forgot to add that a mastectomy with reconstruction is a major surgery that usually takes 13 to 15 hours and a long recovery. Yes, if it is necessary then no question. But if it is not, then I would think about it and be sure.
Caren
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Caren was right about the insurance covering the reconstrustion.. law states they have to.... who cares your age, a new boob is nice.. l was diagnosed at 32 waited to have my expander in until 45 and got my new perm implant 8 weeks ago... I do like it now I need a lift in the other.. hahaha.... but very happy with the results.... take care and remember this is your decision unless the dr feels it is the best decision then I would listen to the drs..... HUGS!!!
Kate
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The questions are for all your doctors, not just the medical oncologist. They each have a different perspective, so you may get very different answers from different doctors depending on their area of expertise.
Ask what how the decision to do mastectomy vs. lumpectomy will affect the recommendations for additional treatment (radiation, chemotherapy, hormonal therapy).
Understand that doing radiation now makes successful reconstruction more difficult if you choose mastectomy in the future. Not impossible, but more difficult.
Each additional treatment carries its own set of risks and benefits. Know what those are before you make your decision. You may find some risk/benefit ratios quite tolerable, and others unacceptable, and your tolerances may not match someone else's.
Ask about your chances for recurrence with each choice. I was told my local recurrence rate is less than 1% with the bilateral mastectomy, and about 12% with lumpectomy and radiation. Yours may be different, but ask.
A good question to ask yourself is how you would feel if you choose lumpectomy, and a year from now, IDC shows up in the other breast. Would you be glad that you've had that time with your natural breast, or mad that you have to go through this again?
Every decision is yours to make. Your doctors, family and friends can make recommendations, but they can't force you to follow them.
Wishing you good luck, and peace with your decision.
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The oncologist told me yesterday that I ought to choose lumpectomy. That would be followed by radiation and chemo. I will see the surgeon on June second, next Wednesday. I will see what he says and go from there. I still think I want the mastectomey. It sounds as if it gives the most protection
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Remember that a masectomy is a serious surgery, with risks of it's own, and reconstruction means more surgery with potential SE and problems also (check out the reconstruction threads). Unless something genetic is going on; a lumpectomy and rads give you EXACTLY the same odds of being OK as a mastectomy. Just something to consider.Good Luck! Ruth
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Ruth, that is not true about the lumpectomy being just as effective as a mastectomy with chemo and rads....unless there are genetic involved...I was diagnosed at 32, no genetics.... opted for a mastectomy and was told my reoccurance rate would have been 17% greater with only a lumpectomy..
My mother in law had no genetics either and had only a lumpectomy and a year later it was back and she passed 6 months later... I dont believe for a minute it is as effective...
Just my opinion.
Kate
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The Oncologist told me it was either 1 or 2. We are waiting for the petscan to be approved by mys insurence company. So no one really knows, but in the meantime, I am seeing the surgeon tomorrow and he is going to try and get the approval for surgery, which ever one it will be. It's beenb 2 1/2 month since it wa found. I guess it will be another month before anything will be done. I am just grateful that i isn't the aggressive king of cancer.
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Lumpectomy PLUS radiation is statistically equally as effective as a mastectomy. If you have a lumpectomy, you should have radiation. Many people who have mastectomies do not need radiation (although some do, particularly when there lymph node involvement). Chemo is a whole other thing; having nothing to do with having a lumpectomy or mastectomy. Chemo is indicated, or not, because of the tumor grade, stage, Oncotype etc.
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I agree with you ruthbru. Everything I have read and been told says that a lumpectomy PLUS radiation is as effective as a mastecotomy in terms of recurrance. I went that route but also had chemo because of my tumor size and grade even though my oncotype was pretty good...............17.
Again it is such a personal decision and one we need to make ourselves when we are comfortable with all the info we have gathered. In most cases there is no rush, so take the time you need.
For me, I did not want a surgery that may very well be unnecessary, and the surgery and the recovery (mostly the reconstruction) were a big deal. It was also explained to me that there is no way to remove all the breast tissue so there is still risk.
After I completed all my treatment and I was about a year out my onc talked to me about a prophylactic bilateral mast. because he felt it would take future worry off my plate. After second opinions and more research I decided against it. The interesting thing is the last month or so I have been dealing with some "issues" that have caused much worry, BUT none are at the breast site. It involved my ribs and my liver so even if I had had the mast. I would still be doing this worry.
Life is different forever after diagnosis. Every little thing that comes up in bloodwork or an exam, or a little ache is now a big thing that has to be investigated to make sure it is not cancer related. It is our new life. But the positive side is I am being looked at, tested, and probed so much that any other health issue that comes my way will be caught early and not linger. So maybe we are very lucky in some ways.
Caren
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I do hope, thegoodfight, that your "issues" will turn out to be something minor. I am so sorry that you are having problems.
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Thanks tgood02. Actually all testing has proven negative for disease so far. There was a question about a swelling in my lower rib but after xrays and a bone scan they are saying it is just my asymmetrical anatomy. I also have elevated liver enzymes but a liver ultra sound although it showed some "things" , it did not show any lesions or malignancy. I was just making the point that had I opted for the prophylatic bmx I would still have had these worries, so I have not second guessed my decision so far. I do know that there would never be a question about going forward with a bmx if anything ever shows again in a breast...................that's for sure. But for now I am hopeful that I never face that decision.
Caren
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My surgeon and oncologist told me that a lumpectomy followed by radiation was just as good as a masectomy. She said the results are exactly the same. Good luck!
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It's a very personal decision. My surgeon told me to do a lumpectomy and then I got a second opinion who told me that he would not recommend a lumpectomy and radiation on the left side for a 33 year old because of risk of heart damage. Also rads can cause problems if reconstructing. I chose a mastectomy and I am so glad I did. They thought I only had an IDC lump but it turns out the pathology indicated extensive cancerization of the lobules and several separate areas of DCIS that DID NOT show on any of the scans. Getting a mastectomy probably saved my life. If I got a lumpectomy I would not have known about the DCIS. I think they say the 'survival rate' is the same, but what about 'recurrence rate'? I have seen so many women get recurrences after lumpectomy, yes, they may survive their second bout with this disease, but who wants to do this more than once? Again, it's a personal decision and whatever decision a woman makes is right for her. My decision was right for 'me'.
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It is a personal decison 2good, I was just sharing my opinion from what I have experienced, I was not trying to step on any toes.. Sorry Ruth... Hope you all have a wonderful day!!
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Breast surgeon and two different oncologists told me that a lumpectomy with rads is just as effective as a mastectomy. But there are so many other factors and unknows that in the end it is so individual, isn't it?
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Thank you all for your help. The decision has been made. I am a 70 year old woman and have heart condition. Both the Oncologist and the Surgeon feel that a lumpectomy would be the right decision. So that is what I'll do.
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I think it is great that we can share from our own perspectives and experiences; and hopefully help others who are going through this difficult journey (which I think is why each of us is posting). Maybe something one of us contributes will be just what someone needs to hear. There aren't any right or wrong answers; just people trying to do the best that they can. All my best to you, tgood, and everyone else too! Ruth
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well said ruthbru.
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As someone said above - lumpectomy and radiation is the same - just as good as mast.
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It is a personal choice, obviously, but you and your family seem to have come to the final conclusion that mastectomy is best at this point. I, not being a Dr., agree. I was diagnosed with stage IIb DCIS Feb. 23, 2010, one lympnode infiltrated out of 20. 2 separate masses with one mass being 2.9 cmm. I opted for a mastectomy. The Dr. told me I could have a lumpectomy but when I told him absolutely not, I wanted it all gone, he told me he agreed and that if I were his wife that is what he would recommend. After the surgery I was told they were able to remove all of the infected tissue and surrounding suspected tissue. I personally know two women at this time, 4 years out, both had stage IIb DCIS that had lumpectomys and both recently found out that it has recurred in the same breast. Both are now looking to under go mastectomy's, chemo, all again. I'm of the opinion take it all and make sure it's all gone. Don't take any chances. God's Speed and Hope you do well.
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That's interesting but not what my oncologist has told me.
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Just some advice that I was given back in Feb. Write your questions down before hand. Take a note pad to write everything down and if possible take someone with you to help ask questions and help be your ears.
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Also check off your questions as they get answered so you don't miss anything. And keep writing questions down as they occur to you between appointments. I still do this, and also get a copy of all your blood work, tests, reports etc. Even if you totally trust your team, it is good to have the information in your own hands.
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Seems natural that we all defend our own decisions, but my surgeon was strongly on the side that lumpectomy + radiation = MX in terms of local recurrence. Anecdotes aside, the research supports this view. I had pretty much decided on a MX and she talked me out of it. I am really glad she did. There is no one answer for everyone, you just have to reflect on what you feel most comfortable with.
Patty
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I think the key is that the rate of distant recurrence is identical, at least last time I checked. (As I am writing this, I do want to point out that those numbers may be different for triple neg, where there is some benefit to going the bi-lat route.)
And yes there are people who have the masts and still recur.
I hate to say this, but you also have to consider pain. A percentage of people seem to have chronic pain with a mast.
You can always have the lumpectomy now, and have a bi-lat mast later on, though the rads might make reconstruction more difficult.
I think the biology of your cancer is the most important factor, not the procedure. If your docs are saying go with a lump, I would give that serious consideration.
At the end of the day the choice is personal.
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You are one smart cookie.....Cookiegal:) I totally agree with you!
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