May 2010 Chemo

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  • JennyB100104
    JennyB100104 Member Posts: 237
    edited May 2010

    Good morning, everyone! Here's to a SE-free day!

    I weighed myself last night and apparently I've gained 10 lbs in the past week. I know it's mostly water, but I'm so bloated! Yuck!

    Paxton, big hugs to you. I have 3 kids but my youngest is 5. I can't imagine doing this with a baby. You need lots of help, and I hope people are willing to give it to you. Don't be afraid to ask--I think people really do want to do what they can. 

  • packjen
    packjen Member Posts: 281
    edited May 2010

    Suzie56 -- keep reading here and then keep checking the Forum Index for a "Starting Chemo in June" group.  I have no doubt that someone will start one.  You can get good info on what to expect from this board, but you will find that having the support of women who are going through what you are going through at the exact same time will be extremely helpful.

    Jen

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited May 2010

    Thanks for the support.  I called my onc to get something stronger for my mouth sores.  I have some of that Biotine and it helps a little, but once the sores are bad, it isn't enough.  I took my first diflucan pill last night, too, so maybe I'll get some relief.  I've also been enemic since before I started tx and I'm trying to do what I can to help when I'm mostly eating clear/soft liquids.  Can't figure out why I'm stressed out flat?? 

  • GolferGirl
    GolferGirl Member Posts: 121
    edited May 2010

    JennyB - I feel your (bloating) pain!   I've been sitting at work all day feeling totally uncomfortable in my too tight pants.   They fit a week ago, I swear!   I wish I could blame it just on the water but in addition to the water, I've had a huge appetite the last few days.  And I haven't even started the steroids for treatement #2 yet!   My onc warned me about gaining 5-15 lbs during treatment, but I didn't believe him.    Now I am starting to worry about it.

    The good news is that the cold caps seem to be working and so far (Day 18 post first treatment) I have all my hair.   Well, at least on my head.  Unfortunately, that also includes the whisker I keep hoping to lose.  

    paxton- I was anemic last year and my doc gave me iron pills.   Not sure if you can take those during treatment, but might be worth asking about.

    Wishing all a SE- free week!

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited May 2010

    I made cream of wheat with chocolate ensure.  It was really good.  I'm on iron pills but hasn't brought the numbers up.  I enjoyed being outside a little this afternoon.  It was gawd awful hot and insanely windy yesterday so today was a treat.  Take what you can.

  • nanaof2
    nanaof2 Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2010

    JennyB, I too have gained a few pounds.  We can both worry about losing it later.  Water weight tends to go up and down anyway....

    Paxton, wow having a baby and dealing with this.  I am having trouble enough trying to see my ew born grandson as often as I want to.  I am thinking of you.......

    Well, like most everyone, I am losing my hair very quickly now. Day 15 and it is in handfuls.  I have very thick hair, but it is rapidly thinning, it is so amazing.  I find it so hard to believe.   I am wearing a scarf with my hair for the next few days then getting a buzz on Friday.  It will give me the weekend to emotionally recuperate. 

    Stay well everyone!

  • snipinfool
    snipinfool Member Posts: 9
    edited May 2010

    Good evening all!

    I am finally checking in on day 7 of AC #1.  I haven't had any serious SEs, just very, very tired.  I was able to go to my older daughter's final dance review on Saturday.  I wore a mask and got a lot of stares from the little ones there, but I didn't want to miss it.  I was able to delay my chemo start for a week so I could go to her high school graduation mask-free.  I am sorry to hear about the hospital visits for some of our group.  I hope everyone is back to feeling much better. 

    Welcome to our new members of the group.  I know I receive so much strength reading everyone's posts.  I feel so fortunate to have you all on my team.

    I will be thinking of all of you having your next round this week and pray for everyone to be SE free.

    Merry

  • MNLinda
    MNLinda Member Posts: 204
    edited May 2010

    understanding is that the blood tests the onc is watching – called tumor markers – are more significant if you have a more advanced case of cancer. In some cases, a patient may have levels of over 2000, for example, and the onc can easily see the chemo knocking them down. In early stage cancers, though, it’s harder to tell – if your value is around 200 or under, it may not move a lot, and even people who don’t have cancer may have a similar number. It would be so nice if the blood test really told the whole story.

    Redbarb, for me the hair loss started on day 15 after the first chemo, and by day 18 it was no longer presentable, had to start in on the scarves and hats. It goes pretty quick once it starts to fall.

    There is a web site called France Luxe that has some great scarves, and they have a program called Good Wishes that provides a free scarf to anyone suffering hair loss for medical reasons. Look up www.franceluxe.com and look for the Good Wishes logo in the upper right hand corner. The owner’s name is Laurie Erickson, and if you call you’ll probably talk to her personally. She is such a lovely person for doing this. I love my France Luxe scarf, and it came with a card signed by all the staff members. Can’t tell you how touched I was.

    Paxton, I ate a lot of high-iron cereal when I became anemic.  Grape Nuts and Total are good.  Iron pills can cause constipation, which is also a problem with the anti-nausea meds, but I didn't have constipation from the cereal.  If you do go with pills, ferrous fumarate is supposed to be easier to digest.

    Don't worry too much about the weight - I finished the chemo in January, and I'm now down around 17 pounds from peak weight, without any particular effort.  I dropped about eight pounds in the first three weeks after getting off the steroids.  That much was probably just water weight.

  • MNLinda
    MNLinda Member Posts: 204
    edited May 2010

    My understanding is that the blood tests the onc is watching – called tumor markers – are more significant if you have a more advanced case of cancer. In some cases, a patient may have levels of over 2000, for example, and the onc can easily see the chemo knocking them down. In early stage cancers, though, it’s harder to tell – if your value is around 200 or under, it may not move a lot, and even people who don’t have cancer may have a similar number. It would be so nice if the blood test really told the whole story.

    Redbarb, for me the hair loss started on day 15 after the first chemo, and by day 18 it was no longer presentable, had to start in on the scarves and hats. It goes pretty quick once it starts to fall.

    There is a web site called France Luxe that has some great scarves, and they have a program called Good Wishes that provides a free scarf to anyone suffering hair loss for medical reasons. Look up www.franceluxe.com and look for the Good Wishes logo in the upper right hand corner. The owner’s name is Laurie Erickson, and if you call you’ll probably talk to her personally. She is such a lovely person for doing this. I love my France Luxe scarf, and it came with a card signed by all the staff members. Can’t tell you how touched I was.

    Paxton, I ate a lot of high-iron cereal when I became anemic. Grape Nuts and Total are good. Iron pills can cause constipation, which is also a problem with the anti-nausea meds, but I didn't have constipation from the cereal. If you do go with pills, ferrous fumarate is supposed to be easier to digest. Don't worry too much about the weight - I finished the chemo in January, and I'm now down around 17 pounds from peak weight, without any particular effort. I dropped about eight pounds in the first three weeks after getting off the steroids. That much was probably just water weight.

  • Redbarb804
    Redbarb804 Member Posts: 299
    edited May 2010

    paxtin18064:  I found mixing liquid benydrl and malox (50/50) and rubbing it on your sores helps.  Mine aren't real bad, but that is also what I used when my kids had hand, foot and mouth disease.  Good luck!!

  • KimLovesDachshunds
    KimLovesDachshunds Member Posts: 177
    edited May 2010

    Starting chemotherapy - Taxtotere/Cytoxn -- Thursday (May 27, 2010) -- first round (4 altogether).  Had breast tumor (large marble sized) removed 4/16 - cancer -- second surgery to remove lemon-sized tissue/lymph node on 4/29 -- got clean tissue.  Onco report said chemo needed.  Will have chemo May 27, June 17, July 8, July 29th -- then will do radiation and then anti-estrogen medication for 5 years.  Was taken off hormone replacement and now having hot flashes -- ugh!   Grateful to have positive diagnosis and treatment but a little anxious.  Kim

  • javahog
    javahog Member Posts: 10
    edited May 2010

    Hello everyone!

     JavaMom had an update for those still wondering (or just starting) about hair issues: it has started coming out today, day 13 after treatment #1, and the scalp doesn't tingle, it hurts. The Neupogen pain has been pretty bad, but the nurse says, good, that means its working for sure. Mouth sores on day 10. Other than that, no SE's other than a surface thrombosis (blood clot) They made her come into the ER for an U/S, but are now not concerned since it was surface. Treatment #2 is tomorrow. She can already tell there is an effect from treatment #1: no more swelling on lymph nodes and her breast is down to "normal".

     Good luck and all the best to you all. It will all be worth it! I'm sure sorry so many have had to go to the hospital, and certainly being mistreated (Day!). That's so frustrating!

    Javahog 

  • cleob
    cleob Member Posts: 20
    edited May 2010

    HI EVERYONE, I HAVE BEEN SO ENCOURAGED AND STRENGHTENED READING THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCES.LOOKING FORWARD TO MY SECOND TAXOL CHEMO THIS FRIDAY HAVING STARTED LAST FRIDAY. IN ADDITION, AM ALSO TAKING DAILY ORAL (NERATINIB) MEDICATION AS PART OF A CLINICAL STUDY DURING MY FIRST 12 WEEKS OF CHEMO. NO S/EFFECTS YET BUT WILL ADOPT A POSITIVE ATTITUDE KNOWING THAT THIS TOO SHALL COME TO PASS. LADIES, WE ARE ALL SURVIVORS.

    ALMOST FORGOT TO MENTION THAT I WAS OUT TODAY ON THE THREAD MILL AND I FELT SO GREAT. LOVE YOU ALL.

    CLEOB 

  • Redbarb804
    Redbarb804 Member Posts: 299
    edited May 2010

    Hi everyone,

    Welcome to all newcomers. 

    Sorry to read about so many of you with hostital stays.  Day: keep us posted on how things go when you talk to some of the big guns.  I can't believe what you have been through.  this disease is hard enough to deal with without having to deal with idiots when we are sick. 

    Side effects are still pretty much nonexistent, except the hair thing.   I am just so happy I made it to this point without losing it.  I can go to my end of the year concert (4 year olds) without worry.  I think by the weekend it will need to be shaved.  I think I will have a head shaving party to celebrate the "new me"  Both physically and mentally!!!   Day 13 some strands are starting to fall out.  Curious to see how quickly it is gone. 

    Hope everyone has a great Wednesday.  Chat with you tomorrow!Smile

  • sacphotomom
    sacphotomom Member Posts: 366
    edited May 2010

    Went to the Look Good... Feel Better class today...what a fun afternoon that was...I highly recommend every one go to one.....I have more makeup now then I have ever had..Loving all the moisturizers and lotions ...I am not one to wear makeup but I cant believe how good it felt...the gals were very knowledgeable ..It was a very warm and comforting afternoon....good thing to do on a rainy spring day..

    Day 7 post 2nd chemo and feeling pretty good  I have a mouth sore but not that bad..WBC is down but feel better today then yesterday and to me thats all that counts...

    Hair report..starting to see large bald spots ....back of my head still has a large patch of hair that hurts when I put on my wig....so still wearing my scarf..need definitely need lots of scarves...

    redbarb804  Your talking about mouth sores right?  and thanks just in case I need it!

    MNlinda  thanks for the heads up on scarves..

  • CTherese
    CTherese Member Posts: 17
    edited May 2010

    ahhhhh! My hair has started to fall out! 

    In the back of my mind, as I read other women's accounts of hair falling out, I thought I would be a Chosen One - an Exception!  After all, I need my hair - I am a Leo! Hair is important to lions!  Further, I am a red head (or at least I was in my youth) and there aren't too many of us so we need to maintain!  Finally, just because. I was going to keep my hair because I'm Special and Different.

    Alas, Ladies, it is not to be. My scalp is proving itself (and me) to be just like yours (and you)! I will soon be bald as a baby's butt ! Holy Moly!  What do to?   I will stick my tongue out at real hair and hold a Big Wig Party where all guests must wear wigs.    Hair be gone!!!

  • fotopet
    fotopet Member Posts: 91
    edited May 2010

    sacphotomom - wasn't that fun!?!  Best thing I've done for myself since this whole mess started.

    CTherese - I hate it when that mere mortal thing happens.  Somehow I convince myself everytime ( in the back of my head, of course) that I am going to be the outlier - the exception - the special one!  Never seems to work out.  And I love the Big Wig Party idea.  Might have to become a real event!

    Newest for me is throat sores. Seriously - my throat.  Ugh. Just when I thought I was coming out of the SE's.

  • nanaof2
    nanaof2 Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2010

    I agree with MNLinda, once the hair starts to fall out, it is quite simply amazing.  Mine started on the 14th day and I have worn a scarf with my hair for two days.  Will do the same for Thursday and Friday, then Friday night the buzz....thanks for the website MNLinda, they are beautiful scarves.

    Thanks Redbard, I will try the mix on my sores.  I have two now.  Hang in there with the hair thing. My night is Friday, with my sons.  They are shaving their hair too! (They are 33 and 35 years old - both married with sons of their own.) My DH so far is not joining in with the shaving, but he has been the most incredible man, so that doesn't matter - I actually don't want the boys to do it either....

    Welcome Kim, hope you get as much from this site as I do.  If you have a join, these are fabulous women.

    Javahog, glad to hear things are going well.

    Cleob, you are right, we are survivors and this is just a big bump in the road, nothing we cannot do.

    CTherese - you have a wonderful attitude. I'm a Leo too.  Hair is just so important to all of us, silly, but very true.  To me, I am trying so hard to put on a ‘good, healthy face' and losing the hair just kinda blows that.

  • nanaof2
    nanaof2 Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2010

    fotopet - seriously throat sores?  what do you do? I have two mouth sores and they are bad enough. Hang in there..

  • patricia48
    patricia48 Member Posts: 121
    edited May 2010
    Hi.  I started my chemo on May 21st. My protocol is  AC x 4 every other week and then Taxol every week for 12 wks.   I just found your group today.  After my first chemo I had severe nausea for 8 hours, pretty bad, but  I had a good second day. Next came the neulasta, and joint pain.  I also have a heartburn knot in the back of my throat, have tried Zantac, with little relief.  On the up side, I do yoga every day that I can, restorative poses, and walk about 30 minutes.  I also do deep relaxation, with cd about healing.  All this helps, but the journey is just beginning. 
  • cleob
    cleob Member Posts: 20
    edited May 2010

    patricia48: welcome to this wonderful family. just like you I started my chemo on 5/21, weekly taxol for 12 weeks and AC(bi-weekly) for 2 months. no side effects yet but be very positive about the treatment and journey. get your mind and body positively engaged, we are all in this journey together to support one another.

    fotopet: thank you for this forum.

    to all other members, enjoy yourselves while you heal.

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited May 2010

    I finally had a good day today.  My book club had our potluck to end for the summer.  I had such a good time.  I was able to eat the food.  The baby had a lot of fun with the other kids.  He's just about walking on his own now.  I can't believe it.  I think he'll sleep good tonight.

    My onc ordered that "magic mouthwash" for my mouth sores.  I also am taking a 3 day dose of diflucan.  I had a vaginal yeast infection.  It didn't seem like I had mouth thrush but they suspect I had it from my esophogus into the stomach.  Anyway, things have improved a lot between the mouthwash and the diflucan.  Chloroseptic cough drops and popsicles helped some when it was bad without other options. 

  • Tuck
    Tuck Member Posts: 2
    edited May 2010

    I started May 11th on Cytoxan and Taxotere. 4 treatments, one every 3 weeks. Next treatment June the 1st. Rad to start August the 13th. Then Tamoxifen for the next 5 years. I had stage 2 IDC. Lost my hair on the 24th. 

  • Ca1Ripken
    Ca1Ripken Member Posts: 1,254
    edited May 2010

    Paxton - hope the mouthwash works quickly!! 

    Welcome TUCK and PATRICIA and KIM!!!  (sorry, but welcome!)

    Cleob - no SE?  I am, but I'll get on that later. 

    When my hair goes - my husband offered to shave.. but he already has a receding hair line, so I'm afraid it won't grow back, and told him no, that's ok!!!  3rd treatment of Taxol is in about 8 hours... SE so far... nausea, taste changes, constipation, runny nose, and fatigue.  Usually feel better around day 4 after treatment- but I am still working, so probably more rest would help with some of the SE.  Just one more week of work, then the family is off for vacation!!  :)

    CTherese - made me LOL.  Sounds like you are handling it well - can I come cry on your shoulder when mine falls out?? 

    Fotopet... ugh!!! 

    Sacphotomom - I am going also - but I can't get into the class until July... I'll REALLY need it by then too!!  We'll be on vacation for the one in June, so hope I can wait! 

    RedBarb - hope your concert was fun today (yesterday)!! 

  • sacphotomom
    sacphotomom Member Posts: 366
    edited May 2010

    Leanna9  I was told when my hair was clipped to not shave your head,  because there is more chance of infection on your head ....to leave at least a little so you head dosn't get even more sensitive

    Did you check with the ACS, for the Feel Better class.. you can go to a different cancer center

    fotopet nanaof2 paxton18064   My mouth  is just yucky and I am getting sore too..geezes ..using Botine .......This time I have been very hungry but nothing tastes right...not fare!

    Today I started having pain in the lower back...and my left kneecap.....7 days after the Neulasta shot..... what up with that?

  • patricia48
    patricia48 Member Posts: 121
    edited May 2010

    Thanks for the warm welcome to your group.  What a journey.  In Kentucky, the sun is shining this morning and  I have no nausea or acid reflux!   I can't believe what has become the topics of my conversation since my diagnosis!  Ha.  I hope everyone has a good day, and that you  find the support you need to take today's step on the healing path. Take one day, one moment, one challenge at a time.    

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited May 2010

    Well my second treatment will be tomorrow. I can tell I had no major SE's - well except for my thyroid going in hyperdrive because of the chemo. My hair started falling off on the 12th day - and three days later I got the buzz. It wasn't falling by handfuls when I got the buzz, but then I didn't want to wait until it would.

     I had no nausea at all - took my anti-nausea medication in time, the one every 8 hours one, and the other one I didn't need at all. I had mild bone pain very easily controlled by Tylenol. And fatigue - which seemed to be controlled pretty good by the Vitamin B6 once I started taking it.

    I forgot to mention, in the hospital, when they did my CBC, my levels were all normal?!? and that was 14 days after the first treatment to the day. Does that mean that the chemo isn't working or that I'm (lol, again) a "fast recoverer"?

    I hope the next treatments will be the same - with no major SE's.

    Hugs and love for all

    Day

  • Drim
    Drim Member Posts: 302
    edited May 2010

    Day - so great to hear that you are feeling good. That was just awful what happened to you.

    Welcome Tuck - we are on the exact same schedule. I hope you're tolerating it well. I don't have a rads date yet but I'll probably start just around the time you are.

    Welcome to all the newcomers. Glad you found us.

  • fotopet
    fotopet Member Posts: 91
    edited May 2010

    To everyone - It is hard right now for me to keep up with editing the lead post to add everyone.  I am trying to catch up as I can but, please, check the post and if you are not on it, send me a quick pm with your start date and tx plan so I can add you without rooting through all the posts.  Thanks!

  • fotopet
    fotopet Member Posts: 91
    edited May 2010

    So the throat sores are apparently an extension of the mouth sore thing.  Gargleing with Maalox/Benedryl mixture - truly yuch but it helps. 

    Now I hae developed a small (dime sized) itchy red spot about 1 inch from the infusion entry point.  Pardon me but, W.T.F. ?!?

    On the good side, I am wearing real pants for the first time since my DIEP surgery.  No elastic or drawstring in the waistband.  Whoo hoo Cool

    patricia48 : are you doing restorative yoga with a class or anything? I've done yoga in the past but it was always strenuous stuff (power - hot flow), so am wondering how well yoga would go with my post-mx & recon limitations.

    Oh, and I so agree with the topics of conversation.  We used to avoid talking about bodily functions, etc but now it's a focus. 

    sacphoto - I know what you mean about being hungry.  Seems like I want to eat constantly.  I also think that eating makes the mouth/throat feel better for a while, so that might be part of it.  I am trying to stick with healthy low-cal stuff so as to minimize the (entirely not needed) weight gain but the ice cream and popsicles call so loudly from the fridge.

    day - hoping for an uneventful tx#2 for you.  And my levels were also fairly normal - except for the hyped-up white counts from the neulasta.  Doc says that they dip and recover fairly quickly, so maybe yours had already dipped and risen?

    sunflower87 - still thinking of you and hoping you had an uneventful tx#2

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