March 2010 Chemo Start

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  • Charley
    Charley Member Posts: 255
    edited May 2010

    Tomorrow is the day ... last day of chemo!   I am baking a strawberry cake for the nurses and taking the movie "Men who Stare at Goats" to watch. I will also talk to my dr. about what to eat or not (I hear soy is not good) and medication interactions with tamoxifin since that is in my future as well.

    Just to weigh in on the nail changes/neuropathy issue. I am on taxotere/cytoxan.  I did ask my dr. about it since I have had strange sensations in the feet and some weakness in the hands and whether I should use ice during chemo.  He stated it was difficult to ice your hands and feet the entire time you are receiving the chemo and although they had tried it in the past he did not know if it really helped at all.  He said some people got it and others did not so he did not recommend it although I was welcome to try it if I wanted.  I have not used ice at all during my treatments. (6 xTC every other week) My symptoms have improved since treatment #3 (I figured it would get worse instead of better) and I don't have the strange feeling in my feet anymore.  My nails are fine and have been growing.

    Toni - I have had the inflamed GI tract as well from the stomache on thru. It seems to get better toward the end of the 2 week mark ... 

    Barb- CR=controlled release.  It is supposed to help you sleep longer.

    Lorrhaw - I expect to see you along side of Jamie Lee Curtis on an Activa TV commercial soon!  I have had the opposite problem ... fortunately or not ... which is worse?

    Good luck Ana ... I will be thinking about you tomorrow as we do our final!

    Hugs, Charley 

  • hereandnow
    hereandnow Member Posts: 322
    edited May 2010

    ooh so much good information, thanks ana for the tips on keeping things cool. I'm going to add the daily porridge to the coloxyls to avoid the BM issues I've still had, thanks yeshua, I don't think we have the Jamie Lee Curtis Activa challenge here :) . I must admit I'm a bit scared about starting taxotere on Monday, but I know this will one day be over. Congratulations to all those coming up for their last treatments - happy days.  I have 3 treatments left - but it's only 6 and a half weeks and I am finished this thing. Good luck all going in this week.

    Lisa

  • Ana1973
    Ana1973 Member Posts: 88
    edited May 2010

    Second dose of steroids is done for the day. Lots and lots of water has begun, chemo bag packed, snacks packed, Miralax has been taken...I think I'm all set for my last chemo tomorrow. Just hope I am able to sleep...gotta love the steroids!

    I bought Nioxin today to help with the return of my hair. I have heard wonderful things about this product. A close friend of mine owns a salon so I got it half off.  I made sure to check out their website and it states it can be used for chemo related hair loss. I can't wait!

    Charley- we are so similar it's scary. Rads consult on June 2nd, followed by Tamoxifin for 5 years. I hear soy is a no no...We'll have to share our findings on the food thing. I also understand that some antidepressants and some anti-anxiety drugs have bad interactions with Tamoxifin. I will be thinking of you tomorrow!

    Ladies, have a wonderful evening if possible. Sending prayers to all of you.

  • PiscesMoon
    PiscesMoon Member Posts: 206
    edited May 2010

    onc cancelled #4 chemo this week due to my numbers being too low.  Frown  even with the shot to bring up my white blood cell count it is too low.  he is also going to reduce the dose by about 15-20 percent.  and no herceptin this week either.  my plateletts (sp?) are at 20 and i am 'moderately anemic' (his words).  :: sigh ::  i'm anxious having this interruption of treatment.  i worry about having a recurrence due to this delay.  i've been asking questions and researching and it seems a lot of women have a recurrance when their treatment is interrupted.  even next week is questionable - counts will be checked before treatment as usual and if they are not where they want them to be then probably no chemo then either.  this makes me not happy.  not in my control though.  needless to say i've been a bit depressed these past couple of days.

    i wonder if anyone else has gone through this and worries about this like i do?

    ~M

  • LillyC
    LillyC Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2010

    Having (I hope) my last chemo treatment tomorrow.  I always worry about the counts as I have so little energy. Ana1973 and Charley, I hope that all goes well for you also and that we can celebrate this milestone together. 

    Lorrhaw -Activia has definitely helped me with the intestinal side effects.I found that eating prunes is helpful too.

    My best wishes to everyone.  I look forward to when we all finish our treatments and they are nothing but memories of a difficult time that we shared together. The support shared on this board is beyond words.  God bless!

  • mamaof3bugs
    mamaof3bugs Member Posts: 198
    edited May 2010
    Hi ladies.  I haven't checked in a few days and you girls have been busy :D  As for all of you with teary, runny watery eyes...I have those once my steroids have worn off after each treatment.  I mentioned this to my onc and she said that it is a common SE with Taxotere, your tear ducts swell and the tears have nowhere to go, just like newborns with clogged tear ducts.  Problem is I'm no on Taxotere and I am only the second person my onc has seen in her 30 year history to have it happen while on AC!  Well of course, why would I want to do anything normal LOL.  Anyway I have to go to an ophthalmologist next week and have tubes inserted into my tear ducts to keep them open, should be fun, NOT!  Last Wednesday I finished with my fourth and final round of DD AC YEAH, however I have 12 rounds of taxol still ahead of me.  Technically I am 1/4 of the way done but somehow that doesn't make me feel any better!  I feel like I am a hamster wheel and can't get off.  I have had "minimal" SE with the AC so I am hoping that "they" are right when they say that the taxol should be a "piece of cake."  Yeah, we'll see about that :D  Congrats to those of you that have finished with your chemo, I am completely and totally jealous!!  For those of us still battling through it, here's to no SE's!!  Onwards and upwards Marchers!! xoxo AngiCool
  • undecided8
    undecided8 Member Posts: 194
    edited May 2010

    Anyone else having stomach issues from the steroids?? I had this last time I did chemo but not quite this bad. I start taking them the day before chemo. I've had ulcers on and off for 20+ years and as soon as I take the 1st one within 2 hours I can feel it burning my stomach where my ulcers have always been. I take it food and am on Prolosec, strong dose of it. I take decadron and HATE it. Dr. will NOT let me discontinue it because of fear of allergic reaction to Taxotere. Is there anyone else I can do?. This stuff is causing me pain and suffering and nausea than the chemo drug itself. Dr. says there's NO way around it. What do people do that are allergic to decadron? Hope everyone is having a great week with minimal S/E. Having my 4th chemo today, hopefully, only 4 more to go. Hang int here everyone!

    Suzanne E.

  • staceyt
    staceyt Member Posts: 106
    edited May 2010

    Hello Ladies,

    Yeah for those who are on their last cocktails !  Hang in there for those who are not you soon will be. 

    Went and had my measurements and tattoos for rads yesterday, I have to go back on Fri for a "dry run" to make sure all the measurements are correct and begin on Monday. 6 weeks - everyday- they tell me no SE except a sun burn on my boobEmbarassed, and that I may experience some tiredness, said "been there done that already", and the drive will make me tired doing it 5 days a week for 6 weeks.

    I've read a couple entries about SOY - nurse told me yesterday No Soy - not good for you at all - because of our hormones, also she told me to get away from sugar - all types except natural sugars such as fruits. 

    Hugs to all - Stacey

  • Charley
    Charley Member Posts: 255
    edited May 2010

    Done! I got a certificate and a nice little bag of Aveeno lotions and such. Those nurses are so great.

    After talking with dr. today may need to do rads. :(  I had one node involved with extra-nodal extension. (outside of the node). Dr. had first said no  need ... lymphedema was too great a risk and not enough benefit .. but now reconsidering.  (I have had BMX) He is going to present my case to the tumor board to see what all the great minds will think about it. So I will know something next week. Hmmm ... this will delay the exchange surgery by a couple of months. Or I presume it will.

    Dr. said minimal soy, baby aspirin once a day, low fat diet, minimal alcohol consumption, vit. D and exercise. Also said to massage my tear ducts to see if that would help me with the tearing otherwise I will need to have them opened up.  Angi - please tell me how that goes as I may be going as well. Does not sound fun!

    I will be interested to see how SEs go now that I won't have the neulasta shot tomorrow. Hopefully won't have the 4 day flu ... but I'm sure the fatigue will be there!

    Hugs, Charley

  • Ana1973
    Ana1973 Member Posts: 88
    edited May 2010

    Treatment Done! Thank you God....The nurses asked how I would celebrate, I said go home and deal with the side effects...lol. Hubby is making dinner, so that's a celebration in its self. Already feeling loopy from the cocktail, but I am hoping the SE will be few, one can dream.

    Charley-congrats on finishing. It seems like just yesterday we were so concerned with what to expect, and now we are finished!

    LillyC-Congrats to you as well for finishing! What a relief to know we don't have to endure anymore chemo!

    To all of you others ladies, take heart that it will be over soon. I will be celebrating with you when it happens. Until then try to have a wonderful SE free evening. My prayers to you all.

    Ana

  • hereandnow
    hereandnow Member Posts: 322
    edited May 2010

    congratulations Charley and Ana and LillyC, and anyone else finishing this week. We will be there with you soon. What a trip hey? 

    Suzanne, I'm sorry you're having stomach problems. Have you ever been checked for the stomach bacterium Helicobacter pylori? It's one of the causes of stomach ulcers, and its discovery has led to the rapid decrease in stomach ulcers over the past couple of decades. If you've ever had an endoscopy for stomach ulcers they probably tested you for it, although sometimes you can get a false negative, and need to test again.  See if your oncologist can put their mind to come up with more options for you to decrease your discomfort.

    It's a chilly 6 degreesC this morning, I have one of my 15 hats on, and am about to put my gardening gloves on and plant some brassicas - cauliflower, cabbage, and brocolli. Making the most of the good days.

    Hugs to you all,

    Lisa

  • LillyC
    LillyC Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2010

    Congrats to Ana and Charley AND ME!  I told my husband that I was checking the board to see how my friends made out today and I am thrilled to report that all three of us made it!

    My counts were good, but my hemoglobin was low and the nurse told me that that was why I was having such shortness of breath.  I have to get  "my lasta" Neulasta shot tomorrow and am going to see my oncologist and ask her about the low red count.

    Tonight I just feel wiped out and have really restless legs.  I had the leg problem today and was told that it was a reaction to the Benadryl in the IV. I just keep thinking that this time next week,I should be side effect free!  Can't wait!

    Love and best wishes to all!! 

  • Joj129
    Joj129 Member Posts: 13
    edited May 2010

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm sorry I have not posted in awhile. Just haven't had the energy to turn on the computer at times. I hope you are all doing good. I have one more treatment to go next Thursday then will start radiation. Has anyone been having trouble with weeping eyes? Mine are weeping and burning. I know some of it could be allergies but at times I have to sit until I can see again! If you have been having this problem, what have you used?

    Thanks!

    Joanne

  • Charley
    Charley Member Posts: 255
    edited May 2010

    Joanne - I posted above on this and am also having problems.  Dr.says blocked tears ducts due to taxotere. He suggested massage (which has helped minimally) and then opthalmalogist consult if that doesn't work.  Angi is hopefully going to report back on the events of her eye dr. visit next week.  Hopefully nothing to invasive or painful.  I've had enough of that! 

    Charley

  • marilyn7
    marilyn7 Member Posts: 86
    edited May 2010

    CONGRATS TO ALL WHO ARE FINISHED!!!!

     I'm on #4 (of 6) and smack dab in my bad days.  This nausea is relentless!!!  I can't wait to post my last treatment.

    A huge big hug to those who have finished and a bigger hug to those who still have a few more to go.

     Marilyn 

  • frosty1
    frosty1 Member Posts: 420
    edited May 2010

    I am so jealous!  2 more to go for me -- #5 is next Wednesday.  #4 really kicked my butt and I'm still feeling it. 

  • LillyC
    LillyC Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2010

    I apologize for being so openly excited in my earlier email about being finished with this chemo. I was just so afraid that my counts were going to keep me from getting it.  When I got home, I felt like shouting it from the rooftops. 

    Today, I am feeling somewhat uneasy and anxious knowing that I will not be fighting the diseae with these drugs any longer and just hoping that they did what they were supposed to do. I suppose this is natural. I see my onc on the 3rd and then get tattooed on the 8th for radiation.

    To all that are still in chemo, you will get there.  My thoughts and prayers are always with you as we battle this together. It is just such an unbelievable journey we travel both physically and emotionally through all of this. Hoping for a side effect free weekend for all!  Again, I send my love and prayers. 

  • Ana1973
    Ana1973 Member Posts: 88
    edited May 2010

    LillyC- I totally agree with you. I too am feeling somewhat uneasy about no longer getting the drugs that fight the disease. I found that I wanted to celebrate no more side effects, but worry about it coming back and if this chemo has been enough. Radiation consult on June 2nd, just the next step, then Tamoxifin for 5 years.....then what? Will there be a recurrence at age 42? I guess that's why they call if the new normal. I'm hoping this feeling will go away in time.

    At this point, I'm waiting for my worst days. Tomorrow it will all start. In the meantime, I send hugs to you all and pray for strength for all of us mentally and physically.

  • dawnn6th
    dawnn6th Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2010

    You are not alone! I am also on AC and have constant watery eyes. Seeing my doctor today but don't fancy the idea of having my tear ducts messed around with!!

  • undecided8
    undecided8 Member Posts: 194
    edited May 2010

    Hereandnow:

    Thanks so much for the heads up about the bacteria that could possibly be a factor for my recurring ulcers for 20+ years. I haven't had an endoscopy in 15 years, my primary just does the upper GI scans every 3-4 years. I've been battling upper GI issues since I was in my early 20's and I'm now 44. I will ask my primary if I was tested for this 15 years ago and maybe it's time to do another endoscopy and check this out. Thank you SO much for the heads up about this. I've never heard of it before. And a BIG CONGRATS to ALL those who finished their chemo. You DID IT!!!!!!!

    Suzanne E. 

  • Yeshua4Me
    Yeshua4Me Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2010

    I wish my chemo was done with. I'm envious of those who have finished all ready. Monday is #4 for me. The good new is #4 is my halfway mark. Only 4 more to go! I've been on Adriamycin and Cytoxan. The next 4 cycles are Taxotere. I'm a bit nervous...wondering how I'll react to the new stuff.

    I understand what you mean about wondering if the cancer will come back after the chemo treatments. I wonder the same thing but my situation is a bit different. I tested positive for the BRACA 2 gene and if that wasn't enough, I also am triple negative. So what this means is I am treated with chemo and then that's it. No radiation, no medication, just nothing. I guess I wait and see if it's gone. My doctor told me that if it comes back (or never left in the first place) then it will most likely be in my bones and I'll have bone cancer. He tells me my cancer is very aggressive and should show itself within 2-3 years if it reoccurs. But I am going to try really hard to put cancer very, very, very far away in the back of my brain and live my life as if it's gone, which it just may be. I've got a lot to do still and this cancer is just a bump in the road, a distraction, or an obstacle. I gotta keep goin'.....

  • Charley
    Charley Member Posts: 255
    edited May 2010

    I admit I I also have the worry that the cancer will come back but we can't do chemo for the rest of our lives.  We have to trust our drs. and the years of research that has occurred until this point in time to treat our disease.  My aunt was diagnosed with BC in the mid 70s, several nodes involved, had mastectomies (it wasn't pretty then and no reconstruction), did radiation, did cobalt treatments and the cancer never returned. She's turning 80 this year. They didn't test for hormone sensitivities back then, they didn't even have chemo available to her. And what advances have been made since then!  So chin up people!  There is research going on that will help us all -- the TNS, HER+, ER/PR+, Stage IVs, everyone! Many, many women surivive BC and I plan on being one of them.

    For those of you in the middle of chemo -- keep going --- it will be done!

    Signing off, PollyannaSmile

  • marilyn7
    marilyn7 Member Posts: 86
    edited May 2010

    I'm with you Charley!  Although this is a terrible disease, we must have faith that the treatment we are going through is effective.  I may be a Pollyanna, but I fully expect to be a 30 year survivor and this will be a footnote in the story of my life - not the main theme.

    I turned the corner on #4 today, just in time to host my daughter's Sweet Sixteen BD Party.  With the help of my sister-in-law, and a couple girlfriends! My house is electric with GRRRRLLLLL Power!.

    2 more to go. Hugs. Marilyn 

  • teemee
    teemee Member Posts: 122
    edited May 2010

    Congratulations to all who had their last treatment this week! By next week you should even be well enough again to enjoy it! Laughing

    My last (#4) treatment of taxotere/cytoxan is next Thursday. I've been worn out this whole cycle so far, it's weird. Nothing as acute as the first two, but I just can't seem to find my energy. An hour cleaning the house means a two hour nap. I keep telling myself I'm over half way done.

    Also interesting to hear how apprehensive so many of you are. I got slammed by a combo of anxiety and feeling completely stuck--caught in headlights--two days ago. Bad dreams, sad days, etc. I am seeing my future for the first time in months, I think, and it was almost easier to just be in full on, in the moment battle mode. No, it is easier on the mind, at least for me. I wonder how we deal with this next phase?

    Happy weekend, rest up and be well,

    Toni

  • hereandnow
    hereandnow Member Posts: 322
    edited May 2010

    Hello lovelies,

    Yeshua, I too am starting taxotere on Monday. I have to take 16mg dexamethasone on Sunday, Monday and Tuesday - bugger.  Lots of good advice here, I am planning on keeping my toes and fingers cool, and sucking on ice blocks during the infusion. Gotta get cracking and whip up another batch of chili con carne sans chile. It's my comfort food.

    Suzanne, wouldn't it be great if your tummy problems could be so easily resolved - it still may be something else, but at least H.Pylori should be excluded. Good luck.

    I had an appointment with a genetics team on Friday - they entered my details into some algorithm(sp?) and came up with I should be tested for BRCA1 and 2, as I have an Uncle who was diagnosed with BC at 59 years old, and I got it at 43, and I have around a 10% chance of being positive.  They said it will take 6 weeks to come back - goodness knows what the delay is, and I really want to know the result before I make my final choices on reconstruction. ie if I have a high chance of having a second bad boob, I'd rather have just one more surgery vs two, or maybe having bilat DIEP rather than silicone. And then there's the ovaries.

    Otherwise, regarding the future, my breast surgeon has told me that people often tell her that they find the post treatment time challenging to deal with, for all the reasons you guys have mentioned. I guess because I've got 3 more treatments, I'm not there yet. I'm going to seriously consider yoga and meditation (I don't do either now), and if I really find things too up and down, I'll get some counselling, and even consider an anti-depressant (they're supposed to help with the hot flashes -so may kill 2 birds with 1 stone).

    warm thoughts to you all,

    Lisa

  • Yeshua4Me
    Yeshua4Me Member Posts: 77
    edited May 2010

    Lisa- My doctor's also wanted to test me for the BRCA 1 and 2 gene because my father died of pancreatic cancer, his 3 sisters all had breast cancer, and I was young to have breast cancer. They also told me 6 weeks for the results. I told them I wouldn't make any decisions about my treatment until the results came back. My doctors put a "rush" on the test and they came back in 2 weeks. There is only one company that holds the patent on the cancer gene mutation (I guess they discovered it) so no other company can test, only them. That's why it takes so long to get the results. Anyway, it came back positive for BRCA 2 mutation. Now I knew what I was dealing with. I decided on double mastectomy (cancer was only in left breast), had my ovaries removed, and reconstruction all in one shot. For me, I was a bit relieved to know how I got cancer. Many women never know. What I worry most is that I passed it on to my kids (they said my father passed it on to me. My siblings tested negative). My kids refuse to be tested. Oh, also here in America, they counsel us before and after the test. So, I have this mutation in my DNA and I decided to be very aggressive in my treatment. I had them cut out everything that this gene likes to attack. Even though cancer was only present in my left breast, my doctor told me that my right breast was "filled" with clusters of abnormalities that couldn't be detected on a mammogram yet and would have turned into cancer within a couple years! I was so happy I chose to have it removed. Don't want to go through this whole ordeal again. My ovaries tested negative for cancer. Everyone is different, but for me, I am glad I had the genetic test.

    Okay, this is my last weekend before chemo on Monday. I think I'm going to call my sister and go shopping. After all, my husband says a girl should have something pretty to wear when going through chemo. I happen to agree!

  • PiscesMoon
    PiscesMoon Member Posts: 206
    edited May 2010

    teemee - i understand about being in battle mode.  when i was first dx'd that's all i was in for a long time until treatment started.  then i guess i sort of backed off cuz we had a plan of action and we were moving forward.  last week my chemo (#4 TCH) was cancelled due to my numbers being far too low.  onc said he is also going to lower the dose 15-20 percent.  this scares the hell out of me because i am thinking that with an interruption in treatment and a lower dose then my chances of recurrence are higher.

    i am once again in battle mode.  searching and researching and asking questions about the connection (if any) between interrupted treatment and recurrence.  it seems there have been little or no studies done at all on women who have had recurrences after their treatments have been interrupted or dose reduced.  the only thing i can find is something that goes like this "well it's not as good as a full dose normal schedule of treatment but it's better than nothing."  this does nothing to appease me.  soon i'm going to just have to accept that it is what it is and what will come will come.

    i too have been hit all of a sudden with depression and some anxiety.  i am a person who thinks of the worst case scenario and then works backwards in order to put it in my mind in the proper order so that i'm not surprised.  sometimes this works sometimes it doesnt.  for whatever reason i never ever expected that my numbers would cause an interruption in treatment.  i'm supposed to go back again this weds and they'll check my numbers again.  if they don't give me my treatment i'm not quite sure how i'll react.

    sorry for the rambling... i'm just trying to put this all in proper places in my mind.

    congrats to those who have finished their chemo!  i hope to join your ranks very soon.

    ~M

  • hereandnow
    hereandnow Member Posts: 322
    edited May 2010

    Hi Yeshua4me,

    Genetics is a fascinating area of medicine with many layers of meaning, for ones personal health now and in the future, issues for other family members, including possible questions of paternity, insurance, etc etc. Here in Australia, we also have the gold standard with counselling pre and post testing. The genetics team I'm seeing includes my oncologist who has a research involvement with genetics of cancer. She has said that she would also like to offer counselling to my two sisters whether my BRCA comes back as positive or negative, and that they should be having mammo + USS 10 years earlier than when I was diagnosed. The testing for BRCA of course has the other layer that a company attempted, and was successful for years in patenting a human gene that they of course did not create. I believe that patent has been successfully challenged recently in the States - certainly in Australia there is a current senate inquiry into the question of the patentability of the human genome.  Interesting times.

    Lisa

  • frosty1
    frosty1 Member Posts: 420
    edited May 2010

    Marilyn -- I'm also hosting a sweet 16 b'day party for my daughter.  Off to fondue and now home to watch Disney princesses and play games.  What a change from the 4 year old party where we had to manage every aspect of the event!

    Weird day for me today.  Feeling really tired.  Did a 5-1/2 mile walk and had a bloody nose and gut issues.  Not normal for me this far into my cycle.  #5 next Wednesday.  Only TWO MORE!

  • hereandnow
    hereandnow Member Posts: 322
    edited May 2010

    Frosty, a 5-1/2 mile walk is not chicken feed- inspires me to get back to the gym, I've been a bit slack lately.

    Ist taxotere done today. Feeling ok, just a bit groggy from the phenergan. I put the ice mittens on, but didn't end up doing the foot ice. Sucked on ice chips too.

    Good luck yeshua4me with your number 1, and all others still hiking the chemo trail, we'll be at the end before we know it.

    Lisa

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