May 2010 Chemo

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  • fotopet
    fotopet Member Posts: 91
    edited May 2010

    sacphotomom - yeah I've noticed how eager they are to show off.  Have to admit, I've shown off mine too, even in its half done state.  Feels like a little positive in this whole mess.  (doesn't hurt that I am a weekend nudist - no, really - I am - DH and I own a place in a nudist resort).

     Summer38 - my veins have just become so stingy.  I think they have a mind of their own.  And I had coffee this morning - tasted great then but I am getting less secure with my tummy as the day goen on so I might avoid it tomorrow.

      CTherese - I think KristiAnn mentioned to you the make up class the ACS offers.  I went the night after my first chemo tx and it was great.  Lots of tips and stuff and just a real relaxed girly atmosphere.  I highly recommend it to anyone.  (Look Good, Feel Great is the name of the program)  Make up and tips of wearing wigs, scarves and hats.

     TO ALL - Update

    Thanks for all the warm thoughts.  The episode with the taxotere was a bit scary but the onco team handled it great.  Could have been way worse.  I think DH is forever traumatized though.  They tell me it is highly unlikely to happen next time, even without extra 'roids. Not feeling too bad yet, although I definitely feel myself sliding.  So I am hanging at home and doing a little work from here.  Eating what tastes good and just generally being gentle with myself. One down/three to go!

  • fotopet
    fotopet Member Posts: 91
    edited May 2010

    Oh yeah, and I think it is utterly ironic that my hair desperately needs a trim right now. Just noticed that this morning. Oh well.

  • TriciaB
    TriciaB Member Posts: 16
    edited May 2010

    Hi Ladies.  Checking in.  I'm AC-II/Day4 today.  Like clockwork hair started coming out in strands on Day 13 after AC-I.  I had it buzzed two days later.  No other complaints.  As I noted in another post I also felt very poorly on Sunday (AC-I/Day 13).  But I have now decided that is because I had a couple (or maybe 3) glasses of white wine at an event on Saturday night.  Although I have always been able to drink with the best, I realize it is not a good idea during chemo.  Thus, I have only had a glass of white wine or two here and there since starting chemo on May 3.  Anyway, I think that the toxicity level from the chemo leaves very little room to metabolize alcohol and it is not a good idea.  Really did not feel well on Sunday and never before have had a hangover from three glasses of wine.

    Other than that (and my hair being gone), no nausea, no fatigue so far. Appetite is good,  As for wearing wig and scarves, I've adjusted in one day.  It's not ideal.  It's not that fun to wear a wig.  But, if losing my hair is my worst side effect, I would be very happy (so long as the chemo is working its stuff on the cancer!). I am thinking of you all and what we all are going through and sending as excellent vibes as I can.

  • faithfulc
    faithfulc Member Posts: 284
    edited May 2010

    Hi, ladies.  Just stopping by from the Feb 2010 forum.  I just finished my TC 6x treatment yesterday.  Overall I'd have to say it was much easier than I had anticipated.  I noticed there are quite a few ladies here on the TC regimen.  I've heard that TC is gentler on your GI tract, but it does a number on your white blood count.  I've had to have Neulasta every time after my treatment, and it protected me well against infections, etc.  Aside from hair loss (and my brows are going, too, toward the last two treatments), I really didn't have too much bad side effect.  A few tips I can offer:

    (1) take medication as the doctor tells you.  You'll be thankful.  (I took Anzamat for nausea.  Never experienced it except for once after the 4th treatment.) 

    (2) Drink plenty of fluids, and when you think you cannot drink any more, drink another one.  Maintain good oral hygience is critical. 

    (3) Exercise.  Even if you don't think you have the energy, WILL yourself to it.  You'll actually feel much better if you get on a routine.  I started off with some simple Wii games.  For the past couple of months I've been doing treadmill (1.5 miles walk everyday).  It helps with a lot of things - energy level, blood count, better sleep, etc.

    I am pre-menopausal, and chemo has ended my period after February.  Hot flashes are bad, but it seems to be getting better now.  Now I'm left to wonder when it will start again.

    Trust yourselves, sisters.  You can do this.  And come here to post comments, vent, or seek help and comfort.  The help I've got from these boards over the past 6 months (I was diagnosed in December 2009) have been tremendious.  

    Best wishes!!

  • JennyB100104
    JennyB100104 Member Posts: 237
    edited May 2010

    Hi everyone. Got my #2 Neulasta shot and hydration today, now I'm having Neulasta anxiety. Hoping and praying it's not as bad as last time!!

    I feel pretty good. Like I really want to take a nap, but kids got out of school early, baseball practice, open house @ school tonight...etc. etc. 

    Faithfulc, thanks for checking in with us and for the great tips. I'm trying to keep on the exercise...It's hard when you're just so tired all the time!

  • packjen
    packjen Member Posts: 281
    edited May 2010

    A little while ago I tugged on my hair and about 40 hairs came out.  So I shed a few tears and called the hairdresser. Tomorrow is buzz time (day 16).

    Jen

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited May 2010

    I got tired of my hair falling all over the place, so I asked my boyfriend to give me a buzz cut. I look weird. And I feel so sad. If this disease was a person, I'd kill that person with no remorse, whatsoever.

  • JennyB100104
    JennyB100104 Member Posts: 237
    edited May 2010

    Day and Jen, I was there just a few days ago. Now I'm becoming friends with hats, scarves, and wigs. It's truly strange....

  • sacphotomom
    sacphotomom Member Posts: 366
    edited May 2010

    packjen / Day  Day 18... Tomorrow at 3:00 pm I'm getting my hair buzzed I just cant stand the mess any more..and buying the other wig I had seen earlier...

    Did anyone save any of their pre-buzzed hair ..for some reason I am feeling very attached to the strands that come out in handfuls in the morning....I have saved a couple of them and think I will save the lst one in the morning tomorrow  ..braid them or something...I don't know why of all the crazy emotional things I'm going through..I don't know!    Maybe its my day 3 tired day of chemo !

     I actually feel so much better then the 1st treatment ....very tired but other wise good..so far kept the Cytoxan headache at bay and Neulasta shot pain not happening.....so if it goes like the last time I should feel a little better tomorrow..

    Jennyb cant wait to be friends with the wigs,hat and scarves!..

  • countryfrau
    countryfrau Member Posts: 94
    edited May 2010

    Welcome to all and I really hope everyone is doing OK. I'm having a bit of a rough time, but not complaining since it IS manageable. The stomach pains continue, but eating small amounts seems to help. No matter how small the amount, though, the nausea sets in. So I take a compazine and fall asleep..feel a little better after a 2 hour sleep, but then it starts all over once I get up. Ugh! But it could be worse. Had a bad backache (Neulasta shot) which went away with only one pain med, so no complaints there.

    Question: I really have the dry mouth and am using the Biotene mouthwash. Has anyone had the problem of developing too much saliva after using it? I'm constantly clearing my throat for a hour or so after using Biotene. I think I'll switch to hard candy for mouth moisture. 

    I go for my wig today. I'll time it between compazines, although the 'fun' will probably keep me awake. I've read all your posts and have laughed and cried through them. I didn't expect this hair loss to be such a big deal for me. I'm 61 years old for heaven sakes, and have a DH who supports me totally. Guess I'm mostly worried about the eyebrows....I hate the thought of painted on eyebrows. 

    This is certainly not the cake-walk they made it sound like in my chemo-teaching, but it isn't as bad as I had expected, either. I'm still in awe of those of you with jobs and little ones to care for---you are my heroes! I think of you whenever I want to whine, and instead, count my blessings. God bless us all, and have a chemo-good day.

    Jan

  • fotopet
    fotopet Member Posts: 91
    edited May 2010

    T/C1 - Day 4 - In a fog.  Tried to walk this morning but had to rest between getting my sneakers on and going out then only walk a short block.  Better than nothing. 

    All in all exhausted but not really "sick" per say.  Nausea is not a problem as long as I keep eating small amounts of food.  Not motivated to eat though, between not really feeling hungry and food just tasting blah. DH has some great recipes from the Cancer Fighting Cookbook that smell great and are nutrient packed.  He is tempting me with those and it seems to be working.

    Had the neulasta shot on Wednesday and no pain as yet.  DId it kick in before this for the rest of you? I was really worried about that pain - sounds awful.

  • TriciaB
    TriciaB Member Posts: 16
    edited May 2010

    Fotopet and JennyB:  I've had two Neulasta shots (last one was Tuesday, May 18) and I have had no pain from either.  I've been taking Claritin (Loratadine).  Don't know if that is the reason though.

    Buzz cut was Tuesday as well.  Let's just say that I would not have landed the Demi Moore role in GI Jane, but I could have been the funny-looking friend at boot camp. 

    Having said that,  I'm surprised at how easy it has been to adjust to wig, scarves and my groovy sleep caps knitted by my cousin.  Sending good vibes to you all. 

  • Alice100
    Alice100 Member Posts: 16
    edited May 2010

    I was just telling my husband the same thing last night....I won't be able to step in for Demi Moore in GIJane.  I got my scarves in the mail yesterday and so far they look like the head cover of choice for me.  I have two wigs (given from friends) but I've tried them on and they just don't feel right.  But I guess we'll see how I feel when it all falls out. 

    I had my first chemo treatment on Monday the 17th (FEC)...and I found out that (I must have misunderstood at first appointment with Onco)...that I'm getting FECX3 and Taxotare X3.  The FEC made me sick.  Really sick.  Nausea was an understatement and vomitting - YUCK.  BUT I've talked to the pharmacist at the hospital and she swears up and down that they will change/add to my existing anti-nausea meds before and after the chemo and that it will not happen like that again.  It's been since Monday and I can just sit up today for longer than 2 minutes.  I hope she's right...else I won't trust them next time.  Oh well, it's all for the greater good right? 

  • Victoria21
    Victoria21 Member Posts: 7
    edited May 2010

    Hey ladies

    My first treatment yesterday (TAC) was supposed to be 3 hours but turned into 6-1/2 hours due to reaction from Taxotere.  Onco said I now have to do a slower drip.  Glad to be home.  No major SE's.  Just a little tummy ache and some white tongue.  The anti nausea meds (companzine & zofran) are keeping the nausea away.  Drinking cranberry juice and taking AZO cranberry pills too.  Just glad to be at home!  You ladies that have to go to work are my heroes!

    Hang in there ladies and thanks for all your tips.  They are helping me so much!

    Victoria

  • JennyB100104
    JennyB100104 Member Posts: 237
    edited May 2010

    Hi everyone! Good to read all your updates this morning.

    Re: Neulasta pain--I've read it only happens to about 30-40% of people and most of it is mild. Mine was pretty severe (OTC pain meds didn't take the edge off) so I'm one of the lucky ones, I guess.Tongue out But I'm doing Claritin and Aleve/Tylenol/Ibuprophen/Vicodin this time, so we'll see if it helps.

    Sacphotomom, I saved my hair in a box! I just couldn't throw it away... Sad. Glad you're not having any reaction to Neulasta.

    Countryfrau, I'm on day #3 after my 2nd infusion, and I'm feeling about how you're describing. The stomach cramps this time are just nasty. Ugh. I just feel all-around yuck. Good luck with your wig!

    Fotopet, I'm blah too. Getting winded just going up the stairs. Are you anemic? I am a little anemic (hemoglobin was 10.4), and I think it might be making this a little worse. As for Neulasta pain, I get my shots on Thursday and the first time, the strange muscle pain started on Saturday, getting worse (and deepening into my bones) by Monday. Monday night was the worst, got some relief from pain meds on Tuesday, and then it was over. Very strange.

    Tricia, I'm sure hoping the Claritin helps me this time! One thing it is doing is keeping me up all night...I need to start taking it earlier in the day!

    Alice, I'm so sorry you've been so sick. Throwing up is just the worst. They really need to change your meds if this is happening!

    Victoria, Wow, it seems so many people have such reactions to the Taxotere. That's some nasty stuff! Glad you're okay now and feeling better.

  • TriciaB
    TriciaB Member Posts: 16
    edited May 2010
    JennyB:  Make sure you are not taking Claritin-D.  That has a decongestant in it that you do not need and will keep you up.  Just take plain Claritin (generic: Loratadine, 10mg).
  • JennyB100104
    JennyB100104 Member Posts: 237
    edited May 2010

    Tricia, My onc nurse told me it has to have D in it...I don't know  why! I have heard here on the boards that people aren't doing D. Maybe it's because the chemo is making me stuffed up, so she wanted to kill two birds with one stone? I'm not sure. I'll ask her, though.

  • nanaof2
    nanaof2 Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2010

    Too tired tonight to post much, but I was told by someone  to sprinkle my hair in the bushes and the birds will use it to build nests.  Love the idea of something useful.

  • njbhwgirl
    njbhwgirl Member Posts: 295
    edited May 2010

    Evening  All:

    Feeling like my self again...Great feeling..Even went to my second job this evening. Work at the local YMCA so it is easy job.  felt good being normal

    .second treatment next wed...well at least I know what is in store for me. half the battle is knowing I guess.

    Getting my wig this coming Monday. Stylist will cut my hair short.. I am a big baby and can't buzz it yet.. If I cut it super short hoping I have another week before I have to wear wig (sigh)

    For all who have had second treatment:  are you SE's the same or different? Is their anything you did beforehand that helped with second infusion?

    Wishing all a peaceful nights rest

  • CTherese
    CTherese Member Posts: 17
    edited May 2010

    Hi Gals,

    I'm on day 8 of first TCX4 treatment and feeling great! Back to working full time and pretending that I am not a cancer patient (I have another week of hair, so pass easily as a civilian). Yes, I did get a bladder infection two days ago and a bloody nose out of nowhere today but  all these are minor irritations and I am joyful that I have what I hope will be two weeks of good sailing before the next infusion.

     cf: I really enjoyed and appreciated your post - especially on the clinical trials but also your humor and writing. I hope you continue to post! I too approach the chemo with a "bring it on" bravado! 

     KristyAnn: thank you so much for generously addressing all the many questions I posed! Very interesting and useful information.

    fotopet: Thanks for the info on the ACS class. I definitely plan to take it! It is hard to work full time when cancer is a half time job (not to mention being a mom!) but I will gladly take out a few hours for this class. Overnight I was handed this new cancer identify that I didn't ask for but I just as well make the most of. I have bought a great wig ("Erica") and am thinking of getting one zany--perhaps purple or green--one to establish once and for all that I am not letting this cancer get the best of me!  In any case, I look forward to learning how to put on make up from a professional. Something about being hairless makes me look like I am at auschwitz (I have never been hairless but have "practiced" with a scarf). Some bright lipstick and glistening eyeshadow should help in that department!

    So it is Friday again and I hope all of you lovely women are able to enjoy the weekend without too much discomfort.  Also, I want to thank you all for openly sharing your stories. Like others, I have found them helpful and found this forum a source of comfort on what could be a lonely and frightening road.  

  • GolferGirl
    GolferGirl Member Posts: 121
    edited May 2010

    Hi Everyone, I've been out of the loop this week, there's been a lot going on with all of you!  So sorry to hear about the hospital trips, nausea and hair loss, but happy to see most everyone is doing better.   I've been lucky to be feeling good, my boss was on vacation this week so work was crazy!  It was good though, allowed me to forget the whole cancer thing for a few days.  I am on Day 15 since my first treatment and prepping for number 2 next Friday.  I hope it goes as well as the first one!   I am using the cold caps to save my hair and so far, so good. Some shedding going on in other places, but so far, the head is good!  Hope you all have a feeling good weekend. 

  • Drim
    Drim Member Posts: 302
    edited May 2010

    njbhwgirl - so happy to hear you're feeling like yourself again. That's great!

    CTherese - I love your posts and so happy to see how well you are doing. That was amazing for KristyAnn to share with us. I don't know what I would do without this site. I would say by day 7 I was feeling totally like myself with very little side effects before that. Now I'm on day 12 and still feeling good so I'm hoping the same for you. I'm very grateful and hoping it stays this way.

    GolferGirl - welcome back. I think being busy at work is definitely a good thing. Makes you feel totally normal. I made it through the whole week of work no problem (days 7 - 11).

    faithfulc - thanks for stopping by!

    Have a good weekend everyone!

  • TriciaB
    TriciaB Member Posts: 16
    edited May 2010

    Morning Ladies.  Thunder storms here in Minneapolis this am.  But was able to help out planting annuals around our townhome development before the storms came.  Today is ACII-Day 6 and still feeling good.

    JennyB:  Do what your oncol nurse says, not me. I'm not using the Claritin-D (cause the D keeps me up) and I have not had pain from the Neulasta (but don't know if it is the Claritin).  Having said that, I sure could have used a little decongestant this am; very drippy; don't know why.

    Nanaof2: I love the idea of the birds using your hair for nests. When mine was buzzed last week, they told me at the Fantasia Salon that they were donating all the hair to help with the oil leak/spill in the gulf.  Apparently, hair's good at soaking up that horrible oil.

    I hope all of you have as close to an SE free weekend as possible.

  • nanaof2
    nanaof2 Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2010

    Tricia - think that is a good idea for the hair use too. Anything is better than just throwing it away.  I cried this morning, some is falling out now and I keep telling myself, I am okay with this and then I cry again.  I know I can do it, just the anticipation is making me nrvous.  I have the most DH helping with this and two sons right there with me too. why is it so stressful????

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited May 2010

    I just got home from the hospital. One of the worst hospital experiences in my life. Yesterday morning, at around 4 am, I woke up because my back between the shoulder blades was in bad pain, and whnever I tried to breathe the pain would go in my chest as well. As it didn't go away after a couple minutes, I woke up my boyfriend and we rushed to the ER. There I waited about 45 minutes before a dr. saw me. Well, in the mean time, I got blood drawn, an EKG and an Xray. My HR was high (118-120) and my BP was high (135/80). The Dr. said there are several possibilities, pulmonary embolism, heart attack, or spine pain. I mentioned that I was hyperthyroid in the past and had a thyroid storm 5 years ago, so he decided that it MIGHT also be hyper-thyroid and decided not to go on the chest pet scan as it implies a iodine solution, and it would trigger my thryoid. I got nitroglycerin patch, dilaudid for pain, aspirins and a blood thinner injected in the abdomen. After about an hour and a half I was transferred in the hospital. There I got more blood drawn, a heart ultrasound and was told i'll be seen by a cardiologist. After a few hours, I got taken tot he lung PET scan (?!?) and after another hour the PA came to talk to me. In the mean time they gave me more blood thinner. She said that the heart and lung look fine, and the endocrinologist reviewed my results and prescibed anti-thyroid meds. At about 1 pm I asked for another pain-killer as the first one was wearing off. It looked more and more like my pain was from the spine, as it would be worse in certain positions, and better in others. To no avail. Finally, at around 7:15 I started raising hell about them trying to keep giving me heart meds instead of beta-blockers and anti-thyroid and guess what? The Dr. came to see me. Good thing my BF had just returned to bring me my anti-thyroid meds from home. Now catch this: the Dr. re-stated that my heart and lungs look in order, but he can not give me recommendation for spine MRI because he's a cardiologist and the insurance wouldn't cover it, and I have to ask my PCP for it. Then, he said - hang on to your chairs - that my TSH values were 0.05, and he knows that the endocrinologist recommended anti-thyroid medication but he doesn't consider that I need any. I said that it doesn't matter, because I already took my meds and I want to go home. Finally he said that if my HR and BP improve by morning he will discharge me in the morning. I also mentioned the pain-killer and the nurse who was present said "I'm only in this shift since 3 pm" - I noted the time, it was 7:40 pm. So, the Dr. leaves, after a while they bring me beta-blockers, then they try to give me another digoxin! I refused the digoxin. They brought me a Lortab at 8:30 - when in my file should have been written that I don't take Lortab as it has no effect on the pain whatsoever. I also told them to take out the IV line that had started to look all swollen around the edges and red - I said that I need that vein for my chemo (they had already busted my elbow vein and my wrist veins) .I had finally managed to fall asleep around 4 am, when at 5 am the door opens and it's a nurse came to draw blood to test my lipids ?!? I refused the test. Finally I talked to the nurse who came for the morning vitals and told her that I am waiting for my paperwork to be completed if my HR and BP were good (I knew they had been good all the night, I had a monitor they could see from the nurse room and the night nurse had told me they were good). She says that a Dr. or PA has to sign them and there's none around, and when they come they will sign. I said that if no Dr. come before noon I leave the hospital.  None came. Around 10 am I told the nurse again that if no dr. comes before noon, I leave. She tells me the head nurse told her to tell me that if I leave AMA the insurance won't pay for my stay. I went to the head nurse and confronted her about lying to the patients to make them stay in the hospital against their will. She admitted that "this is what we are told to tell patients, and I only said that the insurace may not pay, not that it will not pay." One lie after another after another. Clearly they were trying to inflate that hospital bill as much as they could.

    At 12:40 I was packed, went with my BF to the nurses' station and signed the AMA and left on that page a detailed note of what happened and underlined the fact that I didn't leave AMA as there was no medic around to give any kind of opinion.

    I am so angry I can't even start telling you. Monday morning I will be on the phone left and right, and Wednesday I go get my copy of the papers of my file (I got a copy of my discharge letter with all that "nice" note).

  • nanaof2
    nanaof2 Member Posts: 112
    edited May 2010

    Day, I am so sorry to read all of this.  You must be so angry, frustrated and tired.  Can you call your onc. Monday, just to report all of this?

  • sacphotomom
    sacphotomom Member Posts: 366
    edited May 2010

    oh my Day I am so sorry to hear all of this makes me feel like a big wimp because am just  tired.....I hope you can find out what is going on fast so you can get it taken care of it.

     Hair up date  Its gone as of yesterday..only problem is I cant stand to look at myself in the mirror or when I catch glimpse of myself in the window or something   makes my eyes tear up and get a big lump in my throat ....DH and every one tells me it doesn't look bad ..but WOW   it such a in your face look!  I"m hoping its the tired . oh so tiredness  from the chemo and I will get to feeling better about it in days to come.  

    fotopet      I feel your tiredness last Friday  4 miles  yesterday and today to the corner...cant believe how this stuff kicks my butt!

  • Redbarb804
    Redbarb804 Member Posts: 299
    edited May 2010

    Jenny B:  I had some of the bone pain on Tuesday night and Wednesday.  I took Tylenol and that didn't touch it so I took a pain killer.  Then about 6 hours later I took a half of one.  I ended up getting sick.  Meds on too empty of a stomach.  When I called my ono.  they prescribed a steriod for inflammation not a pain killer.  I ended up not having to take the steriod taper because by the time I picked up the meds I didn'thave anymore pain so I figured I'd wait until I needed it.  I was curious if any one elses doctors use steriods?  I was taking the Clariton so I don't knwo if that's why I only had the pain for one day or not.  I mentioned to my ono about the Clariton and they had never heard of it before.

    HAve a good rest of the weekend

    Barb

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited May 2010

    Oh, I will call my onc Monday, and I will also call my case manager with my health insurance (it's supervised by the State Department of Health) and I will make a complaint to the Board of medicine. If need be I can go as far as to sue them. It's the second time I got to that facility's ER and then they didn't know how to handle a hyper-thyroid induced tachycardia. One day they will kill someone, if they didn't already do that but people had no idea.

  • JennyB100104
    JennyB100104 Member Posts: 237
    edited May 2010

    Sacphotomom, big hugs, I'm right there with you. My family looks at me like I'm "normal" and then I look in the mirror, and...ugh. I'm not normal! I don't like how I look. At all.

    Redbarb, so sorry you got sick w/ the pain killers. I've never heard of taking a steroid for the bone pain; that's interesting. Glad it got better, though. That's one thing--it does run its course, and then it's over!

    Day, I'm sorry you went through all that. 

    I'm getting it again--the Neulasta pain. Sore all over--every inch of my skin is sore. The claritin/aleve/vicodin combo so far hasn't made any difference. This part I can tolerate, but if it settles deep into my bones/spine again...wah. I'm looking forward to the next couple of days in a state of fear.

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