Roberta2
thinking about you. Wondering if you heard anything new. Hoping for some answers this week
let us know what you find out
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Thank you for your concern. Surgery is tomorrow afternoon. Phone conference was today with doc to discuss the conversation he had with medical review board conference today. He said there was a pathologist there as well today. They ALL agreed they believe this is more than likely cancer.
Surgery--A pathologist will be there during surgery. IF they belive it is benign, they will close me up and wait for official pathologist report which he said still could show cancer. IF they believe it is cancer during surgery, then he will remove the main lump and try to get clear margins, remove the smaller lump, remove the two lymph nodes on the other side of the same breast, and remove lymph nodes from under the arm.
Ohhhhhh, one more thing all of the above is in the right breast. He advised me today that MRI show two SMALL areas in the left breast. For now, he probably will not do anything on it until they find out what is going on with the right breast.
Bottom line--They will not know 100% until they remove it tomorrow at the earliest.
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I'll pray for you tomorrow afternoon Roberta.
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I will be praying for you too. What a mess. I know you are at your wits ends. Will you stay over night at the hospital? Two places on the left? jeez.. I hope that is just scar tissue or something innocent. Many many thoughts of you tomorrow Roberta.
xxx
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so if you were under .5 cm ER and PR positive, DCIS with comedo cells, what surgery would you recommend
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Thanks for all of your support and prayers. It should be out patient for now. Yes, two small areas on left breast.
This originally was one lump in the right breast (original cancer side) to another small lump next to the larger one, to two possible lymph nodes in the breast which did not look right, to if cancer will do lymph node dissection, to two small areas in the other breast.
SUCKS! Worst thing is that after fine needle biopsy (fluid), after MRI, and after core needle biopsy (tissue), they still do not know what is going on...Geezzzzz somebody come up with a decision either way already! The waiting is the absolute worse!
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Waiting is truly just horrible. I so hope you get answers quickly and good news. Thinking and sending good thoughts and wishes to you.
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Hoping you are feeling ok and you know something by now. We are thinking about you.
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I keep coming back to check on you!
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Checking in on you also.......
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Thanks again for your thoughts and prayers. I had the surgery Tuesday. Doc and pathologist believes it is benign. Should receive the final pathology report hopefully this afternoon. I think if it still shows benign, I will request (not sure if doc will) for the tissue to be sent to a second lab for a second opinion. Leaving nothing to chance.
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Roberta
that is crazy. So how do they explain the needle aspiration that was positive for cancer. I absolutely get a second opinion. I know this makes you uneasy and I understand why. You have been through the ringer. Let us know what the final path says.
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Roberta, if the results are benign, what needs to be retested is the sample from the needle aspiration, if it's still available. A needle aspiration retrieves such a small sample that it can be very difficult to analyse; I can't help wonder if the analysis on the aspiration sample was wrong. Perhaps there was some ADH or some condition that resembles cancer under the microscope, but is not cancer. With a tiny sample, it would be impossible to tell the difference. The 20 samples from your core biopsy, and now the large amount of tissue that will be analysed from your surgery, seems a lot more likely to be provide an accurate result than the sample from the aspiration.
Even though it will lead to confusion, I'm hoping for benign results for you!
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UPDATE: doc called said the pathology report shows DCIS with small amount of invasive cancer towards the chest wall. He is waiting on the futher testing for monday for the hormone receptive, HER2, etc. They have scheduled a cat scan and body scan for this coming wednesday.
Margins--he preferes to have 2 cm and most of it was, but two small areas. Therefore, he wants to go back in to take some more, do the two lymph nodes on the bresat, do the left breast for two small areas. He wants to consult with the medical review board again to see if he should do the auxillary dissection of the lymph nodes under the arm.
Having extremely hard time explaining this whole scenario to family and friends. After surgery this week, husband called everyone and told them the doc said defininetly no cancer. Which I told him there was no way he said that because on Monday beforfe the surgery the doc told he did not want to give me false hope. Otherwords, even though he and the pathologist believed it to benign during surgery, possibilty still could exist that the final pathology report could still come back as cancer which it did.
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Darn, I was really hoping that you would get benign results. Better to have a mystery on our hands than for you to be diagnosed again.
Sorry too that the explanations to family & friends have become so complicated. On top of everything else, that's the last thing you need!
Sending lots of cyber ((((hugs)))) your way!
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Roberta, I'm so sorry! What crap news.
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Roberta
my word.. so so sorry.. was the tissue they took out breast tissue? how did they get 2cm margins? on the flap? please don't worry about anyone else. It doesn't matter what they think.. take care of you. I know you must be going out of your mind. I know how it is though. I still feel like I am more concerned about making people feel better about my diagnosis than how I feel. Have your husband explain things so you can focus on you and getting through the next couple of days. sending you many hugs
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questions: first cancer to my knowledge they did not test hormones, etc. because early DCIS even though had to have mastectomy.
This time they are testing hormone, HER2, etc. What should I be looking for? Otherwords, what is the best answers on the testing that I would hope for? Also, I am pre-menopausal, does this make a difference on chemo treatments/medications?
Give me your view on this: They belives this to be a recurrence of the original DCIS cancer because it show DCIS this time but a small amount of invasion. First cancer, no chemo, rads, or medications. How aggressive do you think they will be considering cancer again?
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Husband is great but does not like hearing medical stuff (wimp). I have explained to him as much as I can but he still does not really understand it himself but is trying.
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sending cyberhugs to you Roberta.
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Roberta
I am by no means an expert but I am going to take a guess based on what I know.
if anyone wants to come along and correct me feel free.
I think ideally, you would want estrogen and or progesterone positive.
Herceptin positive seems to be a little more aggressive and estrogen, progesterone and herceptin negative seems to be agressive.
Do you know how much of an invasion you had?
I think if it is under a centimeter they typically do not do chemo.. but not sure !!
I am still wondering if the ducts were removed how do you have DCIS again?
I am pre menapausal too, I do not think that makes a difference. .Some people say the cancer is more aggressive, but I have never heard of young people breast cancer. It is either ductal or lobular of a few other rare types.
sure hope your Dr is being good to you and helping you deal with this.
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More questions: Path report show lymphatic invasion present but no vascular invasion. If I understand this correctly, there is invasion so far in the fluid that could lead to the lymph nodes (no lymph nodes taken yet but having another surgery next friday),
First--Path report does not really show the staging yet, not sure if it will when the hormone test, dna analysis, ki-67, etc. is done. I know if there is an invasion outside of the orginal area, I believe it would be considering stage one now unless later shows lymph node involvement. Is this correct?
Second--how important is the lymphatic invasion?
Third--What does the DNA analysis show?
The findings show infilitrating ductal carcinoma, intermediate combined score, 1.2 CM size (I believe this means the infilitrating portion is this size), with associated component of intermediate nuclear grade DCIS (this is why they believe recurrence from orginal DCIS) without necrosis. FYI--doc said the infilitrating portion was center of the tumor but located at the bottom of it near the chest wall.
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Roberta
I really have no clue. I am hoping someone comes on here and can give you more info. I would also re post this question to the IDC stage 1 forum. I bet those women know some things about all of this. Also, I found this... maybe you could try this: I copied and pasted this from someone's post.
It is 1-800-4-CANCER. They also have a website which is : http://www.cancer.gov/ where you can do a live on-line chat. The people who answer or assist you are not physicians but research librarians who search all the most up to date literature to find answers for you. They'll also help you formulate questions for you to ask you oncologist
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I just clicked on the website. you can do a live chat with the national cancer institute
here is the direct link. I would go ahead and try it and see if you can get some answers.
so sorry you are dealing with this. I am hoping the lymphatic invasion just means it was getting ready to go to the lymph nodes but had not made it yet.
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Roberta - I agree with Sunnyhou that you'll probably get better answers to those questions on the Stage 1 thread. We're just not experts at that stuff.
I so wish you didn't have to deal with this!!!!
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Oh my gosh, I am so sorry and how terribly confusing. I wouldn't dare chime in on anything as I just can't imagine as this is just so much information and confusing. I'm sure someone will write in soon who knows more or the chat sounds good. It the waiting and just not knowing and understanding what all you are dealing with. I am so sorry and I hate you are having to deal with all this so soon. Keep us all updated. Thinking about you....
hugs!
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