April 2010 Rads Group
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Well girls, I haven't survived without any SE's after all. I now have a patch in the crease under the "pendulous" boob that has lost skin - probably from rubbing seeing I go braless most days. It's a small patch and so far not causing too much bother but it does sting/itch a bit. My rad onc is going to get a surprise tomorrow when I strip off to show her (that's cos she never gets me to undress). Meanwhile, I've stuck a panty liner there to keep the skin from the boob away from the abdomen. Also out on some antibiotic cream - not sure if I should have done that but figured it wouldn't hurt.
Only 7 to go!!!! (2 regular and 5 boosts)
Sue
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My boob is super red right around the nipple, but the tit zits have gone away. I have 8 more to go. 6 are boosts. I am so ready to be done with this!!!! I really don't want to go today. When are we playing hookey, St. Louis? Chicago? I don't care, just no cancer center or zapping machines or creams or lotions or potions, or cancer...
Katie
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I just looked at a map. Kansas City and St Louis do look more like they're midway between SoCal and NYC than Chicago does, since it's more north it looks like it's closer to NYC.
I've never been to either KC or St.L - don't know jack about either of them (though I think I changed planes in St Louis once). Will check into airfares. No idea if they're expensive to get to or not.
My earlier zits went away and now they're flat brown spots, like freckles. Ny new zits are still there and itching. I'll end up being really really freckled, on one side of my cleavage. Lovely.
On the plus side, only 5 more to go.
I had them give me photocopies of my cute sim planning pix today. I guess it's the output from the CAT scan. Maybe someday I'll put them together with my mammo and my MRI and maybe my brain MRI etc - do a collage or something.
Today I brought in a black and white cookie for someone who was finishing, and a Johnny Cash greatest hits CD. The techs weren't thrilled with the Man in Black. Maybe I'll bring in opera tomorrow and really annoy them!
ONLY FIVE MORE!!!!
Edited to add:
Suepen - sorry to hear you finally had SEs! Maybe they can give you gel pad things similar to what they gave me...I'd mail them to you, but by the time they arrived you'd be finished!!
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ss--re my itchy little bumps. Yes, I am on my back. They first appeared between my breasts (in a pattern that I recognized from last summer). Now they are under the fold (both breasts) and appear to be starting to march down my chest toward my stomach. Seeing the doctor tomorrow and will ask again. But googled radiation dermatitis and that really sounds like it. I have 4 more to go. I would have been done this week, except I lost a day when the machinewas down. I think we are, most all of us, heading into the home stretch now. End is in sight!
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SweatySpice: Thanks for the thought. I'll see what she says. I put some Dermaheal cream on the spot a few times yesterday and it looks better. Serves me right, I've been doing too much in the garden and house, so of course it would rub - especially with no bra on. Not fair you are ahead of me now - we've had so many public holidays and this week they are closed again on Thursday. I'll finish on Friday week.
I've got my herceptin treatment today too an hour and a half after the zap, so I think I'll come home for a while. Last time I had both on the same day, I stayed there and read a book but hated just sitting around like that.
Sue
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Showed the rad onc the raw spot. She said to keep using the Dermaheal cream on it. The rest of my skin still looks great. I was lucky today as she saw me 10 minutes early, then they did the treatment early too, so I had more time at home before the herceptin tx.
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Into the single digits - yay, 9 left 16 done
Today they started using the Gel pad thing - are others getting this? Apparently it will help the skin to burn a bit more? nice!
Feels like the dessert stage of this cooking process
Philippa
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7 to go and counting the minutes. My boob is in pain from the inside to the outside. I just want to be done. I have to get set up for the boosts today. Do those make you feel any different?
Katie
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I'm half way there....15 done 16 to go! I had a strange encounter yesterday. I walked into the dressing rooms at the same time a lady did after her rad tx and she asked me if I was done and I told her "No, I have 16 more to go". She asked to see my breast that was getting radiated....her Asian accent was pretty strong so wasn't sure I heard her correctly. I said "excuse me" and she lifted her top and showed me her lumpectomy incision and said it was getting darker and wanted to know if that was normal. So I opened my gown and showed her my lumpectomy incision scar and my node dissection incision scar.... that made her fell better, she said "thanks, I'll see you tomorrow". Well, that's the first time I compared boobs with anyone! I don't even remember seeing her before... I guess I should pay more attention to the people around me. I usually check in and then sit down with my KINDLE and read. I get soo... into my novels that I don't socialize with anyone. Gosh! I hope I am not coming across as a snob. I just want to get in and out of there as quickly as possibly.
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That's funny, Cin, I have compared with several others, but they were people I know. Somehow after being poked and groped by so many doctors, my boob (s) do not feel private to me any more. I'm sure you probably helped that lady out to know that she was "normal". I am not very modest, so that is just my take. It is sort of a bonding sisterhood I feel immediately with others with bc.
Katie
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I've compared breasts with women at support groups and get togethers and people I'd planned to meet for the purpose when I was Dr. shopping - but no one's asked me in the dressing area yet! I also usually just go in and don't talk to anyone except the staff. For the most part, I just want to get it over with and am not in the mood to be friendly. (Although there were at least 2 exceptions I can think of. women who I befriended, but they're both done now.)
I have inadvertently walked in on women in the dressing room, though. Sometimes they're so emotionally beyond they forget to close the door and I think it's unoccupied. That's how I made friends with one of the two women I did speak to, after I was humiliated and completely apologetic by having walked in on her.
Feistybluegecko - They gave me a gel pad thing to use at home to help heal the burning, not to make it burn more. Are you getting a gel thing to apply at home or is it part of the treatment???? I'm totally confused now. It's in my refirgerator which they said some women find refreshing. I'm afraid I'll just think it's cold. We'll see.
I'm totally frying, especially in the area where my V necks would fall. I hope the skin heals, or I'll never be able to wear a V neck again. And it was the neckline that looked the best on me, but then, that was before my breasts became mini-me's.
Weird that your radiated scars are getting darker, mine seem to be getting lighter. But then, the scars on the other breast are completely keloid angry red. Lovely.
Ah well, 4 more to go. Thank God.
Today was Guns 'n Roses Greatest Hits, which was another big hit with the techs. I told them I was thinking of bringing in some opera just to annoy them and they protested a bit too much, so I might just have to do it. A little La Boheme for rads might be lovely. I'll see how my mood is tomorrow.
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My tech showed me the gel pad thing. He told me it was for those who needed a stronger dose, that it would intensify the rays, especially for some mastectomies. He was showing it to me to demonstrate why NOT to use lotions and creams before treatment. Those molecules would act like that gel pad and intensify the burn. Is that used during boosts? I guess I will find out later today...
Katie
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Hmmm.....I think it's a different gel pad thing.
I don't think they'd use what they gave me during the zapping itself.
But I don't know that for a fact.....just seems very unlikely.
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Sorry to cause confusion over the gel pad - it seems to be the same one as KatieMom describes. It is placed over the radiation area to draw the rays more to the skin during the radiation process - I have described what it was like on my latest blog entry
I would love the other pad as it sounds really soothing............... can't wait till this is over!
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FOUR MORE!
I put on ointment before I went to sleep and woke up a few hours later itching like crazy. Maybe I do better with just the lotion? I'll have to ask. Still haven't tried the gel pad.
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I wanted you to know that I did do everything that you suggested. After everything was exhasted, I returned to the clinic and acted like a broken record. I requested my radiation treatment. I requested that the treatments be continued and that I be referred to their pain management clinic. No need for drama. I just did not want my cancer to return. The doctor asked me to remove myself, he called the security guards, and then called the police and I ended in the ER for evaluation. I never was seen by a doctor and walked out 2 hours later. I received a letter that I was to be given 30 days before they could discontinue treatment. Instead, I started three weeks later at a knew clinic and received oxycontin for my pain.
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WHAT??? They brought you to the ER for a psych eval??????
I'm shocked and horrified. UNFRICKINGBELIEVABLE.
I hope things are going OK at the new place!
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Three more. I was half-asleep on the subway and missed my stop, had to get off at the next stop, change directions, go back. So I was late. And I just wanted it done and over with.
THREE MORE.
Because it was still in my handbag from yesterday and I didn't have it in me to pick something else this morning (was already running kind of late) today's CD was Technotronic - Pump Up The Jam. The tech didn't turn it up nearly loud enough.
I REPEAT, THREE MORE
The gel they gave me is a "RadiaDres Gel Sheet" if anyone wants to Google it. It's made by Carrington and is "A topical wound dressing for radiation dermatitis" 4" x 4" (10cm x 10cm). It says it can be changed as often as necessary until wound is healed and may be left on for up to 3 days (I guess the 'leaving it on' part means after rads are done).
My nose was running on the way home, I felt like I was getting a cold. Now I feel better. Who knows. All this stuff is so weird. Am I allowed to take Dayquil if I feel like I'm just going to sneeze through the whole thing tomorrow?
THREE MORE ZAPS!!!!!!
Edited to add: I'm pretty damned red and my areola is turning a weird color, but I almost don't care (unless there's some reason someone knows about and I should be concerned). I just want this OVER.
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feistybluegecko, the gel pad thing you get during the treatment is called a bolus. I get one every other day. I'm still in the regular treatments, I haven't asked if you get it during the boosts. I gather it's used in cases where there was tumor found close to the skin surface, to try to concentrate the radiation where tumor cells might still be lurking.
I'm 13 treatments in and getting fairly pink and tender. I'm pretty apprehensive about what my skin will look like by the time I finish, but the short term effects of the treatment are still not as much a worry to me as the potential for late effects.
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I got the day off yesterday because they were closed for servicing. Just as well because my back went out. I nearly couldn't move all day. I was in so much pain. Seems a lot better today and I'm going to my physio straight after the zap. I was worried as I think it will hurt the boob to lie on my tummy but the physio said they would work it out. After today, only the boosts left - hooray!!!
jarlwin, I'm glad you found another place to treat you, but you need to find out why it causes you so much pain.
Sue
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Well - more skin came off in the crease under the boob. I totally freaked out. I saw the nurse after the treatment and she dressed it. Now I have special burn gel and non stick dressings. Also have to bathe it with salty water. She said it's because the radiation goes through 2 layers of the skin. Apparently quite common for women with pendulous breasts. I knew I should have had the bloody things chopped off. At least I know I haven't done anything wrong.
I did go to the physio and had a nice massage. He wouldn't do a manipulation after I told him rads weakens the ribs. It does feel better, I must say - he's a genius with backs.
Hope you all are having a better time of it than I am.
Only the boosts left - hurray!!!
Sue
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Hi all...down to single digits. I'm envious of anyone down to just 3!!
My skin varies between light and dark pink, but I guess I'd think it was weird if it didn't appear to have been treated at all. I just keep putting on my aloe by day, aquaphor by night. Seems to be doing well enough.
Jarlwin....just shocked. Sounds like the new place HAS to be better.......
Philippa, no gel pads for me.....Nice to see you over here!
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TGIF and today was the last of my rads. I forgot to ask doc about the tiredness and the ache inside my rads boob, how long does that go on??
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Hi all!
8 more to go and so far NO skin issues unless you count the darkness, The tech says it will fade back to its' original color after rads are done. I hope so because right now I'm looking like two different people! Continued well wishes to all...
Bossy
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TWO MORE.
I was meeting someone for breakfast who happened to arrive early, so I ran into her on the street near the rads place, which possibly caused me to be a few minutes late. However, the rad techs still didn't call me until 45 MINUTES after my scheduled time. "The computer froze" blah blah blah. I'M SO SICK OF THIS!
The poor woman I was having breakfast with may decide to have rads at the same place, so she got to come in and get a look around. Running 45 minutes late wasn't a great selling point!
I slept with the gel pad thing on (probably like what you got Suepen, or is yours gel in a tube?) and the movement of my boob didn't really work well with the non-movement of the gel pad. The pad kind of bunched around....didn't adhere evenly and would change the way in which it wasn't properly adhering as I changed position.... Anyway, when I took it off this am, I was worried that it was too close to zap time. And then when I got zapped, I thought I could feel the zap. I hope it was just psychosomatic. In the end, and beause they were running so late, I still removed the pad 4 hours prior to zapping..... ah, who knows.
I'm redder and redder every day. I think some tiny amounts of skin may be coming off, I'm not really sure. If so, it would probably be in the "moist desquamation" category. And, because I'm doing rads lying down, my worst grief is in the upper inner quadrant not the under-breast.
So, really, does this mean we can never go to the beach ever again?
It's been really unseasonably cold but has warmed up again in the last few hours, so I was sweating on the way home. Sweating is not good. Sweating makes me itch like crazy. I think I'll take another shower and apply more goo.
CD of the day - Run DMC (self-titled debut)
I'm emotionally all over the place lately. Elated because it's almost over, scared because who knows how long this will take to heal and what the long term side effects will be, angry that I had to severely mangle my breasts forever for a small amount of a noninvasive cancer, angry for the wasted year, angry for the ridiculous amount of money this has cost, angry for .... about a bazillion things, really really sad about my forever mangled breasts (that's the worst part), annoyed with myself for having eaten my way through dealing with this and will now have to deal with undoing the weight gain, angry that I REALLY DIDN'T NEED THIS CRAP ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE, angry that now I have to do Tamox, angry that I'll be worrying about recurrence for the rest of my life.... on and on and on and on.
I'm definitely feeling the emotions coming to the surface as I near the end of this awful daily grind, where you've been so focused on forcing yourself to do what you have to do that you can't let youself think about it too much. If that makes any sense.
THANK GOD I ONLY HAVE TWO MORE. I AM SOOOO DONE WITH THIS CRAP. IT'S SO PAST BEING AN INTERESTING EXPERIENCE....
TWO MORE.
I CAN SOMEHOW MAKE MYSELF DO THIS TWO MORE TIMES.
TWO.
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Fifteen treatments down as of today -- 18 more to go. My cancer center is a 140-miles round trip! I'll be doing the "happy dance" when this is all over. Have a good weekend, everyone!!
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SweatySpice: I had to buy gel in a tube to put on the area where the skin has broken down. I'm pissed off that I wasn't set up to have the rads lying face down like you are. I reckon they thought it was too much trouble. I probably wouldn't have had this problem if they'd done it properly.
Bossy: From your picture, you seem to be a large breasted lady. Keep an eye on the skin under the boob right in the crease. Have they been zapping you on your back or front? This loss of skin I've experienced under the boob has happened with only 6 to go. I am never going to boast about having no SE's again.
Emegram: What a long way to travel - that sucks!!
Sue
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Suepen, if you'd done it lying face down this might well have happened anyway - just in a different place.
FWIW: I just received my first insurance co EOB (explanation of benefits) since rads began. They're reimbursing the hospital over $4,000 a day for my rads. That's just nuts!! I hope for all of us having rads it really is a medical decision, and not a just moneymaking one by the 'breast cancer industry.'
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SweatySpice: We have to pay for our rads here as it is not covered by private health insurance. We do get money back from the government though. One whole week of treatment is only $670!!!! Sounds like a rip off where you go even allowing for currency conversion. I now only pay $55 a week out of pocket as I reached some limit that then lets me get more back.
I do think on my tummy would have been better. The nurse said it was because of the fold in the skin and the rads going through 2 layers - you wouldn't get that on your front.
At least it doesn't hurt - I can get through this!!!
Sue
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@suepen: Not large breasted at all! lol Just the way I'm posing. They actually look like too small snow globes. I get zapped from 3 angles - from the right, then the left under the arm and from above. I had been using the aloe gel then the doc gave me this lotion called REMEDY and that's what I'm using now. So far no issues and it smells really good. My breast sit up so I don't have any folds under them. I still slather on the lotion in the area under my breast as well as in the crease of my arm as that's where the rad onc says I'm most likely to have irritation
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