Where are the Skin Sparing Nipple Sparing Procedures Done?

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  • bcincolorado
    bcincolorado Member Posts: 5,758
    edited April 2010

    I recommend Dr. Ingrid Sharon in Colorado Springs, Colorado.  She has an office near Memorial Hospital North.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2010

    Tucson, Arizona

    Dr. Michele Ley at the Arizona Cancer Center was my breast surgeon.

    Dr. Cheri Ong was my plastic surgeon.

    They did their residency together and make a great team.  Both are wonderful.  I would highly recommend them!

    PM me if you need more information. 

  • travelgal6979
    travelgal6979 Member Posts: 160
    edited April 2010

    My BC surgeon wouldn't consider doing nipple sparing surgery.  She feels it's too risky...there's a  chance that cancer cells could be in the nipple glands.  It wasn't an option for me but I was okay w/ that. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2010

    travelgal6979-

    For those surgeons that do perform this type of surgery they do biopsy cells from the nipple during the MX surgery.  If any are detected then they will remove the nipples at that time.  Most also test the sentinel nodes as well.  

    You also have to be considered a good candidate for the surgery before they will perform it.  Your cancer cannot be too close to the nipple and it works better on smaller breasted women because there is less distance to maintain blood supply to the nipple.

    I'm glad you were ok with not having this done but a lot of women feel a lot less disfigured by being able to keep their nipples and more and more surgeons are finding that it is a lot less risky than previously thought.  You just need to go to a very experienced surgeon when having this done. 

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited May 2010

    Just a note - I COULD NOT get this done anywhere in Tucson or Phoenix Arizona - however I understand the the Mayo in Phoenix now has a surgeon who will do it.  But I cannot confirm!

     PS Oh an Kate, I believe that I would have been much better off if I had been able to keep my nipples!!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2010

    Deirdre1-

    I live in Mesa, AZ but my husband actually found a surgeon in Tucson (after much internet searching) at the Arizona Cancer Center.  Her name is Michele Ley and she is wonderful.  Probably the best and most comfortable doctor I have ever dealt with.  She is very compassionate.  She has a lot of experience with NSM which is very important in order to get good results.

     I wish there were an easier way for patients to find these surgeons.  My original surgeon in Mesa never even told me this procedure existed, was not trained in it and tried to talk me out of having it when I told her I was switching surgeons.  All I know is I have two perfectly pink healthy nipples right now.  Something I wouldn't have had if I had listened to my first surgeon.  Those of you considering this procedure please get more than one opinion.  The surgeons who perform these types of mastectomies are not going to do them unless they truly believe you are a good candidate and that it is safe to do so.   

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited May 2010

    Kate, do you know if she is new to UofA cancer Center?  Because in 2007 there was another bs @ UofA who didn't (couldn't) do NSM - I know that because that's where I went to find one first - they were my first step!  But I am glad she is here now!  And as you say I too wish women had someplace to get the info.  I called all of the bc services incuding Komen (locally) at the time and they couldn't tell me which doc did what or who was a DIEP doc or not - I suggested that they put some time and effort into putting together such a list.  I don't know if they ever did , but I ended up with 4 different bs consults (and 4 ps consults) before I finally decided I couldn't get what I needed in Tucson and had to decided between the 4.. Anyway thanks for the info I know a few women here in town who can use it!!!  Take Care!

     PS I'm really glad you got to keep your healthy nipples!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2010

    Deirdre-

    Dr. Ley started at the Cancer Center in January '08.  If anyone is interested in information on her they can go to azcc.arizona.edu

    I would also recommend my plastic surgeon, Dr. Cheri Ong.  Dr. Ong did her residency with Dr. Ley and they work really well together.  A NSM is really a joint effort with your BS and your PS.

    Dr. Ley has been giving presentations, lately, to local ob/gyn's trying to get the word out to them about this procedure so they can advise their patients.  This procedure was done in the past but was not very successful because surgeons weren't as skilled at getting most of the breast tissue while still preserving the blood supply to the nipple.   Dr. Ley said it is being used more now that more and more surgeons are learning  the proper procedures but it can still be a challenge for some women to find one in their area.  

    She is also going to try to set up a kind of mentoring program where new patients can be put in touch with previous patients.  I told her I would love to sign up for it when it gets established.  In the meantime, if any of the women you know would like to talk to me I'd be very happy to tell them about my results.  You can PM me and I will give you my e-mail address or cell phone number.

    What type of cancer did you have and where are you now in your treatment?  Are you finished?  I am currently going through the tissue expansion process.  I hope to have my exchange surgery in about 2 months with Dr. Ong.  I can't wait!  I hate these TE's! 

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited May 2010

    Kate I don't want to hi-jack the thread so I'll keep this short.. I am really glad that UofA is now getting "current" on procedures - I just wish they had been available when I was having a bi-lateral mastectomy with immediate reconstruction (silicone implants)..  I actually made a formal complaint in 2007 because they (uofA) were actually out-sourcing their plastics with the local ps and there just weren't any (at the time) who knew much about reconstruction.  I am, I believe complete with my treatment!  I had DCIS Grade1/3 (had the tissue re-read by Vanderbilt so that's the reason for).  There was a bit of confussion on how to proceed with my treatment because the breast cancer came in thru my father not my mother.  So even after a BRCA- and a smallish lession (only picked up by a breast MRI due to high risk) it was advised by two of the 4 bs to have a bi-lateral.  That's when I started really trying to find a surgeon who would do nipple sparing.  I would have had to go to San Francisco for that and my local general practioner asked me to stay local so that if there were complications he could get to me.  I had a very difficult time with springing back from the surgery (emotionally) and to this day I truly believe I would have done much better, psychologically speaking, if I was able to have a nipple sparing mast.

    I was attempting to have fully cohesive implants when I finally decided on bi-lateral mast. but once again there wasn't a ps on the list of approved doc's here in town.. after much research I went with silicone.  The TE was placed at the time of the bi-lateral and I went through 3 months of weekly saline cc's injected and then another 2 months just "holding" before my first implants were placed.  I have since had a new pair placed and the pocket revised as the original implants looked sort of like an abstract painting.  Now though, and it 3 years out, I am feeling much more myself.  One of the doc's that never seem to be suggested when setting up our team (breast surgeons, plastic surgeons, oncologists etc) is a psychologists and I am a firm believer that that area of medicine needs to be included for women to come out of this as healthy as possible.  Not only physically but mentally too.. Oh I've run on my apologies but I hope I've answered your questions Kate.. I hope EVERYTHING turns out great in your situation..  Best Deirdre

  • Mantra
    Mantra Member Posts: 968
    edited May 2010

    Hmmm, wonder if nipple transplant from cadavors (sp??) will ever be a possibility.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2010

    Deirde1-

    Have to thank you because maybe your complaint got the ball rolling for U of A to start doing the new procedures.  I do find it odd, though, that they do still outsource their plastics with local PS.  (When I made my original appointment they told me everything was under one roof but then discovered once we were down there that wasn't true.  I did get referred to Dr. Ong by my BS and went with her because they had done the NSM/Recon together for several patients so both were on board for the procedure.)  I don't know why the Cancer Center wouldn't have their own PS for recon work.  So strange.

    I had told myself I would go out of state if necessary to have this procedure but I know in reality it would have been too difficult.   I really wish I could have the cohesive implants, too, but my PS is not participating in the clinical trials  I don't know why PS can't just order them when they've been used safely in other countries for decades!  So frustrating!

    Sorry your original implants had complications.  That is my big fear.  I'm actually at a stand still right now.  I was having so much pain with the fills that my PS told me to stop for awhile.  She said I may not be able to get to the size I want (full B).  I started as an A cup so I'm a little bigger than I was before so I can't complain too much.  

    You are so right about the psychologists!  I felt so unprepared for what was about to come and have been struggling lately with bouts of depression.  My Mom has been trying to get me to go see someone but I actually think this web site helps more than anything. It just helps to know that someone else understands what you are going through and I like trying to help others who are just starting out so its a win-win.  There are counselors and other services at the Cancer Center but that is 2 hours from my house.  (One of the downfalls of being treated out of town.)  

    Anyway, thanks for all the info and good thoughts.  It really means a lot to me!  Can't wait until I am 3 years out and feeling more like myself, too! :) 

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited May 2010

    Hi Kate!  When I had my revision last year they did have a new plastic's man at UofA CC .. he was new here from Canada and I had intended to have him do the re-do, until I took stock of how many breast reconstructions he has done (not many) and that most of his plastics experience was on kids.  That and the fact that when I was doing my workup for the surgery - they called me twice thinking I was someone else with a different procedure - once maybe but I decided that twice might be an omen and I had already had one back experience.  The Canadian ps was really very nice but I needed and wanted someone who could handle breast reconstructions.  I don't know if he has left or if they too decided that they needed a ps who specializes in breast reconstruction.  I may be mistaken but I don't thing they can be called a "comprehesive cancer center" unless everything is under one roof... so they may be bending the rules yet again. 

    I'm glad you have found two doc's that work well together AND were able to keep your nipples.  I totally understand the depression - it took me until this year to see light at the end of the tunnel, but you might be a bit better because one of my problems with all this was that I couldn't get the surgery I wanted (which was nipple sparing first and fully cohesives second).. I ended up with so many more surgical marks.  The counselor services at the Center may have gone away because there was an organization that was helping the cancer center called Sunstone that has gone out of business because of the financial problems.. so if you need someone try to get someone close to home AND if possible someone that has experience with breast cancer... I was a small b and they expanded to a c or small d so it is possible - maybe ask them if they can give you muscle relaxers and pains meds for the expansion - that might help!    Good luck with all the rest and text me any time

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2010

    Thanks Deirdre!  I never thought about the muscle relaxants.  That's a good idea.  I will ask about that.  I will be back down in Tucson on the 19th.  I started out as a big A or small B (depending on what bra I bought) and was hoping for a full B but I'm o.k. with it if it doesn't happen.  My DH isn't really a boob guy, anyway and I think I've gotten pretty used to being small on top.  I don't know if I want to go much bigger at this point.  (Well, maybe just a little....)  Thanks for all your posts.  So nice to talk to someone who's been through it and is a little further out.  Gives me hope for some normalcy down the road!  

    Hope you're having a great week! 

  • PB22
    PB22 Member Posts: 315
    edited May 2010

    Thanks to everyone for contributing to this thread. I believe its going to be a help to all those who have to follow in our path on finding someone qualified to perform the procedure of their choice.  Last week was the convention for breast surgeons in Las Vegas and it covered the NSM.  So hopefully the procedure is getting out there to more and more surgeons as an acceptable procedure in the cure and tx of bc.

    What a good suggestion mantra had on using the cadavers actual nipples instead of just the skin to make the grafts.  I wonder if its a blood supply issue.  I am going to ask my PS that.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2010

    Just a note:

    My BS has been giving presentations to ob/gyn's in the Tucson, AZ area educating them about this surgery option so they can advise their patients.  I wish more BS who offer this surgery would be more involved in this way and make internet searches easier to find them!

    Kate 

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited May 2010

    Amen to that Kate - many (not all but many) of the ps are tied up into believing that the way they already know and have been doing reconstruction is the best - instead of keeping up with newer options!!

  • jessamine
    jessamine Member Posts: 322
    edited May 2010

    UCSF in San Francisco offered it to me without me knowing about or asking for it. Yay for Dr Esserman! But I believe she is not the only one there who does it. Not sure though.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2010

    I totally agree with you, Deirdre.  That is exactly what happened with my first BS.  Because she never trained in the procedure she never told me it existed and tried to talk me out of it.  Always get a second opinion, everyone!

  • hmom
    hmom Member Posts: 6
    edited May 2010

    Abbott Northwestern Hospital in Minneapolis, MN

    I had a NSM and a SSM with a nipple sharing graft to the SSM side planned.

  • elainsdaughter
    elainsdaughter Member Posts: 5
    edited May 2010

    We live in Phoenix Anyone know if there is a PS or BS who performs the NSM in this area.We were never told of this procedure either. So glad I found this sight My Mom was horrified when she was told about Bi lateral Mastectomy but when she was going to lose the whole breast nipple and all we cancelled the surgery to do more research. TY everyone for sharing your stories this site has helped us alot

  • elainsdaughter
    elainsdaughter Member Posts: 5
    edited May 2010
    http://www.ajsfulltextonline.com/article/S0002-9610(07)00538-7/abstract american joural has a few articles about NPS interesting they are doing it, Just need to find PS that will
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2010

    elainsdaughter-

    My husband and I did some research but the only breast surgeon we could find was down in Tucson.  Her name is Michele Ley and she is at the Arizona Cancer Center.  I know it is a long drive but she is wonderful!!!!  The Cancer Center is amazing, too.  Everyone is very kind.  Dr. Ley performed my NSM a few months ago and it was very successful.  My surgeon in Phoenix tried to talk me out of it but I think it was because she didn't do the procedure.  Dr. Ley will tell your Mom if she is a good candidate or not.

    The Cancer Center does the actual mastectomy at the University Hospital.  It is up to your Mom to find a plastic surgeon to do the reconstruction but Dr. Ley recommended Dr. Cheri Ong to us.  She did her residency with Dr. Ley and it is really a team effort between the BS and the PS.  Dr. Ong has been incredible as well.  

    It is obviously a lot of driving but I think it is worth it to save your nipples.  I feel a lot less disfigured.  If you need any more info let me know or PM me on this site.  I'd be happy to help your Mom any way I can.  I live in Mesa so even if she wants to call me PM me and I'll give you my phone #.  Good luck! 

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited May 2010

    I'm with Kate!  Save the nipples if you can it really will allow your mind (or in this case your Mom's mind) to accept the mastectomy better.  I check out Phoenix and Tucson when I was first dx'ed in 2007 and no one in either place did them but now as Kate has said they are done at Univery of Arizona Cancer Center.

    I live in Tucson but I would have made the trip to Phoenix if I had found a ps who did nipple sparing in 2007!!   Elaine good luck with you Mom and I am really glad that the nipple sparing is now being done at UofA.

    Best, Deirdre

  • MBJ
    MBJ Member Posts: 4,352
    edited May 2010

    This thread is a great idea so that women can know where to go in their area.

    I was originally scheduled for City of Hope in Duarte, Calif. until I realized that they were a one procedure offered shop!  They told me I would need radiation and then a lat/dors flap with an implant a year or so down the road.  Thank goodness I got a second and third opionion.

    I just had a skin sparing uni/mx at Norris Cancer Center in Los Angeles, CA on 4/20/10.  I have triple negative BC and the head surgeon there, Dr. Holmes is an oncoplastic surgeon who specializes in triple neg research.  He was able to cut into my chest wall so that I could avoid having radiation and have delayed/immediate reconstruction.  He is so gentle, thourough and does amazing work!  My PS, Dr. Schooler, who actually specializes in DIEP and natural procedures (which I wasn't eligible for) is also a specialist in the Alloderm Sling NippIe Sparing/Skin Sparing mastectomy with implants. 

    They have a brand new facility for surgery just opened in March and a top notch staff.  I had made many requests, for instance, no Morphine and I also brought a bag of supplements with me, which they were completely supportive of.  They also take ALL INSURANCE PLANS!

    I hope that I was helpful and if anyone has any questions regarding Norris, please PM me. 

  • PB22
    PB22 Member Posts: 315
    edited May 2010

    MBJ, thank you for sharing your experience.  I can imagine how grateful you are that you persisted and found the surgeon who could cut into the chest wall avoid the radiation. Its so helpful to know these procedures exists.  Its so unfortunate that too many times surgeons are offering what they are comfortable performing but meanwhile not giving all the options if that means the patient will bring their business to someone else.  Sounds like your PS is multi-talented.

  • vmudrow
    vmudrow Member Posts: 846
    edited May 2010

    I had NSM in Salt Lake City, Utah - BS Dr. Lloyd, PS Dr. Self.  Hope this helps someone!

  • Dustysmom
    Dustysmom Member Posts: 97
    edited May 2010

    I had a NSM (nipple sparing), skin sparing BMX with Alloderm and immediate reconstruction on April 13th at St Joseph's in Orange, CA. 

    My BS was Helen Mabry, M.D. (only breasts)

    MY PS was Linda Zeinah, M.D. (pronounced (Zaney). 

    They are both fantastic!  If you want to know more, feel free to PM me.

    I go back to work tomorrow and I feel fantastic!

  • montana7p
    montana7p Member Posts: 20
    edited May 2010

    Dr. Alvarado at UCSF did my nipple-sparing mastectomy.  They were also willing to do expanders/immediate reconstruction even though I was having radiation. My PS is Dr. Foster.  Although it's kind of a hassle navigating a larger center (I live in Montana part time and have experience with small institutions as well) I highly recommend the doctors at UCSF.

    All my mastectomy friends are jealous of my nipples and I feel like having been able to keep my nipples makes me ALMOST forget now and then that I've had a mastectomy.

  • whitedove
    whitedove Member Posts: 292
    edited September 2010

    Montana,  That last statement is very promising. Thank you for sharing that. I hope it inspires many to seek NSM

  • MonikaV
    MonikaV Member Posts: 201
    edited June 2010

    Hi Dustysmom. I would like more info on your surgery. I also live in Ca. You can e mail me at Jp4fn@charter.net . Thanks Monika

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