post treatment issues w/spouse

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post treatment issues w/spouse

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  • minxie
    minxie Member Posts: 484
    edited April 2010

    My husband has been very supportive through all my chemo and surgeries, and now I'm all done. several months out. He seems to expect the same level of intimacy we had before (which was never enough for him no matter what) but I have zero interest.  His way of dealing with this seems to be this never ending cycle of being nice and overly caring for a few days, and then pissed off because I'm not devoting enough attention to him - and then he's sulky, sullen, rude, hostile. Up and down, every three days or so. I feel like I am walking on eggshells around him - what am I going to do next to piss him off.

    I feel like I'm finally starting to get my life back after the horrors of the past year and a half of cancer treatment. I work full time. I want to spend a lot of time with my kids, be involved with their activities, they are the most important thing in the world to me. I am also an artist and this is going to be hard to explain - but this cancer has left me with an overwhelming desire to create. Maybe a desire to leave something of me behind if I go. So I spend time on my art. My husband feels neglected, though I've planned (completely on my own) getaways for the two of us (just did one last month), dates, time together. It's never enough. He's constantly demanding my attention and I have soooo much else I WANT and NEED to deal with.

    He tells me I am selfish, cold, uncaring, and I act like a child.  He's told me in the past that I only come to him when I'm troubled and want something, which he has apologized for, but it's stuck with me, and now I feel like I can't tell him my fears - and I have fears aplenty, believe me. He tells me the troubles we have are my fault, he's not the one with the problem, I am, I'm not normal, other women don't act like me. That he's sacrificed and dealt with so much during my illness, he is entitled to my attention and affections.

    Is he being unreasonable, or am I truly selfish?

     

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited April 2010

    min...I think people, husbands included think that just because we are done with Tx, we should be just fine and dandy....life should be back to "normal" (whatever that is!!).  Yes, the co-survivor or care-taker has been through a lot, but so have we..we are the ones who went through it physically and emotionally!!!....I don't think you are selfish at all....your husband is hurting and taking it out on you.....you need support to get through this and so does he...counseling, support group whatever works for you....I'm sorry that you are having to go through this...hubby and I have "moved on" in different ways.....he so often wanted it to "just be over" after I finished Tx....but I've suffered lots of side effects from the AI's and I'm not the person I was before...it has been hard work for hubby to accept my differences and for me to see his perspective.....fortunately, we are doing good right now, but it has been a rough journey

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited April 2010

    i wish i had that problem. another persons tonic is another persons poison; or something like that.. i still have a hard time sympathizing with all hes been thru..i was the one with bc, took the chemo, lost my6 btreasts..he sleeps all the time; & isnt interested. a blow to  my ego, for sure.yet, i know what ur talking about, so many other things i ne3ed 2 do,2.i geuss like everything else, balance.i know every therapist will suggest date nite once a week..i,m not strong enuff yet for every week.if it involved somekind of intimacy, i probably would find the strength. i know this exp. has changed me..i do what's best 4 me, then consider other ple. let us know how it goes! light and love,   3jaysmom

  • Shrek4
    Shrek4 Member Posts: 1,822
    edited April 2010

    Did you think that, because of what you have been through, maybe he got so scared of losing you that now he wants to spend all the time with you? I know that my boyfriend, who was heart and soul with me all the way (and we still have a long ways to go), even if he is not as demanding as your DH is, and leaves me plenty of room (you probably saw that I am into art too and it has kept me sane) - as I was saying, he still has moments when he almost suffocates me. I asked him once why, and he said that he can't get rid of the thought in the back of his mind that he might lose me, and he doesnt' want to miss any moments together.

    Just a thought.

  • NatureGrrl
    NatureGrrl Member Posts: 1,367
    edited April 2010

    I think both of you have valid points and both of you have been through a lot... and there is no right or wrong, simple answer here.  Naturally, I empathize way more with your side of things...but to go beyond that would mean that I know more about your situation than I do.  I hate to sound like an advice column but I can't helping thinking counseling would help both of you.  Best of luck...

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited April 2010

    I don't think you're selfish ... and I don't think your husband is demanding.

    Men and women, regardless of cancer, have different ways of getting their needs met and feeling loved and appreciated.  Two months ago, we had a very intense discussion about this very issue.  I finally understood the way he wants to feel love and appreciation .. and he understands mine.  When each of us get our needs met .. so does the other.

    I feel that children need to see their parents "feel" love and respect for each other .. this is how they learn to be in a relationship some day. 

    I understand the need for a creative outlet now as well.  I'm the same way.  I guess I'm lucky cause my DH is on the road and only home on the weekend .. so I can fulfill my needs during the week and his on the weekend.

    It would be very hard to do all this with young children and their activities at home.

    Perhaps a discussion in a neutral place (the car is good) about getting each other's needs met.  For instance, if he helps more with the kids and creates a space for you to be creative ... then you will have more time to meet his needs.  Just a thought.

    Best wishes ... gaining intimacy after cancer is a hard road to travel .. but it can be done.

    Hugs,

    Bren

  • Lovegolf
    Lovegolf Member Posts: 513
    edited April 2010

    I do not think you are being selfish.  After what you have been though I get it. I too want to scream at the world alot.  I do not want to waste my time anymore.  I fought and won. I want to create and enjoy life. The small things that  are a issue for others and upset them so ,make want to slap them.  The list of things that I consider problems now is so mush shorter. I am in charge of my happiness and not any one else. I do not think that is selfish.  Normal after cancer is not the old normal.  There is a razor shape clarity. What you will do and will not do in the rest of your life has been re-defined.  I do not think that is bad thing....but then again maybe I am just on o those selfish cancer survivors.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited April 2010

    Madalyn .. you're not mean!

    In the midst of all this "meeting of each other's needs," Mr. Tim does in fact know not to push me!  Cause I do get mean.  He calls it being "hasty."  ha!  Must be a southern term for bitchy.  And he's not perfect either .. he has been known to pout too.  I tell him .. "Quit your pouting or you're not getting any!"

    Bren

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited May 2010

    Bren....love the comment!!!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited May 2010

    Yep Madalyn .. that's it exactly!

    I forgot to write what he says after I give him the smackdown on the pouting.  In his best Elvis style, he says, "Aw c'mon baby" and gives a big wink.  Hard to stay mad at him.

    Hi Karen .. love you friend!

    Hugs,

    Bren

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited May 2010

    I guess the point I was making is we can give the pouty manperson the smackdown with some humor, getting our point across without being confrontational. 

    Pouting is passive/agressive.  We need to respond in the person to person mode, not the adult to child mode .. no matter how tempting!!

    I lived with a pouter and sulker for 12 years, it was so debilitating to me, and just flat out wore me down. Always guessing, wondering, trying to pry information out of him.

    Mr. Tim is a blessing in my life, even with his "man" qualities!

    Bren

  • HairSprayMom
    HairSprayMom Member Posts: 251
    edited May 2010

    Welcome to a mans world. My hubby still does the same stuff. I think he was so HELPLESS during DX and treatment that he feels like we should just be fine now! Treatment is over, so what's the deal with "ME" kinda attitude. They just do not understand that it is a forever kinda thing for us, he bitches when I am on the boards about how I am always looking at depressing stuff. I tell him it's not depressing to me...if I can offer hope or one helpful hint to someone, then it is worth it. Not sure if he will ever understand, but we have been a happy couple for 17 years and we find ways to work around my new normal. He asked me one time if I would ever be the same person again and I just told him that person is gone, so ya better buckle up for the new me. I find I am so more forward and don't always care if others are on board with me. I am who I am and you can like it or kiss my butt!

     XOXO,

    Regina

  • Kayleigh3483
    Kayleigh3483 Member Posts: 131
    edited May 2010

    I'm with Madalyn...

    I can relate to your feelings..had my mx last July and just finished chemo.  I am a writer and have two small children -- your desire to create particularly hit home with me, I feel much the same.  And my kids are in need of some cancer-free-Mama time waaaay more than DH.  This is not to say that our spouses don't go thru hell with us, and that they don't have their own unique experience of BC.  But you are at the beginning of a new journey now and you need time to find your footing.  You deserve that time.  Don't let him make you think otherwise.

    I think that even if it means arguing you need to express your feelings to him.  Not fighting isn't always helpful.

    I'm sorry that you are dealing with this and hope that as time goes on he'll relax and calm down...that he'll heal too.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2010

    I think a big challenge with BC and couples is that afterwards you are no longer the same two people you were before the diagnosis and you never will be.  Now the hard part is can these two new people work?  Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I'm not quite through with the process but already I know I am not the same.  And I think my husband has changes as well.  Sometimes I think it has brought us closer.  And other times I think it has stolen something we treasured, but took for granted.

    After battling cancer it seems just completely exhausting to think about having to put in major work to restore your relationship.  There are too many other things tugging at your sleeve- children's needs, your continual health needs, your emotional needs, maybe jump starting your career, again.  I think men just want to either find a quick fix or sweep it under the rug and neither end up being particularly satisfactory.  

    I never realize how many aspects of my life would be affected by this disease.  I have lost friends, made friends, grown closer to my husband in some ways and farther apart in others, discovered things about myself that I never knew and can now be proud of and also lost parts of myself that I wonder if I will ever be able to get back.  But I've realized, too, that I don't want this disease to forever define who I am and your husband probably doesn't want it to, either.  He's probably wishing things could just go back to the way before the big "C" while you know that will never happen.  

    So, for what it's worth, all I can really say is I totally and completely empathize with what you are going through and hope that it gets better.

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