March 2010 Chemo Start

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  • JLLG
    JLLG Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2010

    I have had Neulasta X2.  This past week I asked what my blood counts were.  My white cells were 26000,  Normal for a a woman is around 9000.  I asked my OncDoc if I needed the Neulasta since my WBC's were so high....He gave me a sort of non-answer.  He asked if I had bone pain and muscle aches from it and I told him I did.  He then said that I did not have to take it this time.  Do any of you have WBC's that high?

  • frosty1
    frosty1 Member Posts: 420
    edited April 2010

    I have not had a neulasta or neupogen shot.  I asked my onc about it and he said since my counts were all fine, there was no need.  I'm not going to argue!

    I know what you mean about missing your SE's ... it's like waiting for the shoe to drop.  I seem to have stomach cramps much longer than normal.  But I think it's because I'm not drinking enough water.  I'm so tired of water!. 

  • Ana1973
    Ana1973 Member Posts: 88
    edited April 2010

    Good evening all..

    I haven't been posting but have been reading all of your posts. I'm happy to say that I feel really good and have been catching up on the housework that was put off while feeling like garbage. I want to make sure all is in order before tx #3 on Wednesday. I am not looking forward to another 10 days of chemo brain, cravings, poor sleep, bone pain, headaches, fatigue...well you get my drift. The only thing keeping me from a straight jacket is that after Wednesday, I'll be 75% done!

    I did have an interesting Dr appt on Wednesday...levels are good, but apparently I have a kidney stone! Had to go to the urologist yesterday to discuss my options! I had no idea. No pain, no symptoms. So, now I have to have a CT scan to see it's position and if it will cause a problem while finishing chemo. Ugh! It's so disheartening...

    Ok, enough complaining...

    Sending hugs and sweet dreams to you all.

    Ana

  • EZH
    EZH Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2010

    JLLJ:  Went to the onc today and very close to your count, my white count was 25,000.  My onc calls it "riches in abundance", under the chemo circumstance and because we know why they are so high, its of no concern. My shot has already been cut in half, and still, 25,000.  For the 4th chemo, he may skip the shot or drastically reduce it, based on the numbers the morning of the chemo.   

    My hair is trying to grow back!  It looks like a baby chick...sort of pitiful.  Anyone else having some growth?

    WIshing everyone a good weekend....be well and be so good to yourself!  We are really working hard here and doing a great job, all. 

  • Charley
    Charley Member Posts: 255
    edited April 2010

    I did #4 on Wed and so far SEs are less severe than last time. Athough fatigue has been bad, I do not seem to have the fever, muscle aches and bone pain nearly as bad as last time. And so far the little neuropathy that I have had in the feet (and a little in my hands) has not worsened.  I was certain it was going to be worse this time since it has seemed to be a trend ... I am cautiously optimistic.  And maybe SEs are waiting an extra day to pounce on me!

    EZH - I am so jealous!! No hair regrowth for me yet!

    JLLG - I have never had white counts that high but I am doing dose dense.  They are usually around 12,000 at the 2 week mark.

    Hugs, Charley

  • MNLinda
    MNLinda Member Posts: 204
    edited April 2010

    Les, I had a slightly bruised feeling around my jaw and cheekbones that was probably from the Neulasta, but it didn't bother me very much, and only lasted a day or so.  Not much of a problem for me. My WBC count went pretty high several times, around 29,000.

    One of my doctors told me that the Neulasta makes your bone marrow produce tons of WBC's, but they are not very good quality cells, so they don't have as much disease-fighting capacity as your usual WBC's would.

    Barb, I had the drop in blood pressure - my onc says it's the abrupt withdrawal from the Decadron that does it.  I really thought I was going to faint.  Went to urgent care and my blood pressure was 90/62.  Next treatment I tapered off the Decadron, and took a lower dosage overall, and didn't have as pronounced a drop again.

  • hereandnow
    hereandnow Member Posts: 322
    edited April 2010

    Hi all, I've had a few days trying to do normal things, and going out shopping commando (brrr). My hair is weird. I clipped it to a number 3 when it started falling like leaves - and where ever I lay on it, it is quite smooth with some downy hair left. But on top after about 2/3 fell out, there's still the number 3 hair there, and I think it's growing.  I'm not counting any chickens though, because I'm waiting for the last chemo to maybe go to work on those follicles.

    Ana1973, that's a bummer about the kidney stone, good that it's not causing you any symptoms though. Let us know what they're going to do about it.

    My white count last time was about 6000 - pretty normal. Even though I'm not looking forward to number 3 in a week, it will be half way there, so that's an exciting milestone. Warm thoughts to everyone, and good luck anyone havig treatment this week,

    Lisa

  • llm822
    llm822 Member Posts: 77
    edited April 2010

    Hi all -

    Anybody else having trouble swallowing?  I have to chew my food until it's pretty much liquified before I swallow, otherwise it feels like it gets stuck in my chest.  I know it's a pretty common side effect, I'm just wondering if it's one that will come and go with each treatment or if it's going to stick around for the duration.

    Lisa

  • hereandnow
    hereandnow Member Posts: 322
    edited April 2010

    Hi Lisa, Are you on an antacid medication like prilosec? We can develop gastro-intestinal irritation because the chemo attacks rapidly dividing cells and the GI cells turn over every 4 days, some acid from the stomach can cause more irritation, and ascend up the oesophagus. You may not have pain as a symptom, but the difficulty with swallowing may be due to this....... maybe.

    If you are on an antacid, your onc may want to double it, chat to them and let them know you are having discomfort.

    good luck,

    \Lisa   :)

  • marilyn7
    marilyn7 Member Posts: 86
    edited April 2010

    Going in this morning for treatment #3 (mid-way mark).  I'm worried about my port. The area feels bruised and the scar continues to itch.  It's been 7 weeks! I just don't want anything to interfere with treatment. I'll feel better once the poison is being pumped in. (odd, I know)

  • lorrhaw
    lorrhaw Member Posts: 751
    edited April 2010

    Good luck to everybody going through treatment this week.  Hope all of the SEs are minimal.  I have to go next Monday and already am not looking forward to it.

  • farfromhome
    farfromhome Member Posts: 1
    edited April 2010

    HI.  I am so happy to have found this site.  I am in an unusual situation, we are a military family stationed in Belgium so all my care is being provided at a local hospital.  My oncologist speaks English and I manage a litlle French, but the onc nurses don't speak English at all. There is no support group here of anykind so I have really learned alot from reading hese forums.  In Belgium, neo-adjuvant therapy is preferred so I am receiving 4 dd AC to be followed by 4 dd Taxotere; neupogen on day 3-10. Surgery and radiation to follow- not sure where we are scheduled to move again to Italy late this summer.  The dd regimen was the recommendation of tumor board stateside, so although not the usual regimen here he has agreed to it.  First cycle was started 3/30 and I will have the 3rd cycle 4/29.  I am doing really well with the chemo so far and tumor has shrunk so much that it can't be palpated  at all (started off at 3.5cm)  I am looking for any recommendations on nutritional supplements that you were advised to take and to hear from anyone else that might have received care overseas.  I am triple negative and know there is at least one node involved that showed on the MRI and confirmed with biopsy.  

  • Charley
    Charley Member Posts: 255
    edited April 2010

    Farfromhome - my dr did not advise any nutritional supplements.  He indicated that many types of vitamins and herbs can interfere with chemo.  He said that a daily mutiple vitamin was fine but nothing more .... which is fine with me because I am taking so many pills anyway!  I hate to say that I have not eaten particularly healthy either.  I have been craving protein which equals meat, meat and more meat ... I have not even wanted to look at a green veggie.  I have also been drinking large amounts of water which is what they recommend. 

    Sounds like your treatment is working great.  I am also on a dd regime (although TC) so I know it is tough.

    Hugs, Charley

  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited April 2010

    farfromhome - I got the same advice from my onc, nothing over the counter but a multi-vitamin during chemo.  Not even a baby aspirin which I will start taking daily once done with treatments.  I too am eating a lot of meat but can't stand the thought of beef or pork, just turkey chicken and fish.  I am getting veggies but cooked ones, no salads or raw anything while my counts are low.

    Best wishes and {{hugs}} everyone, I'm at work on lunch break so can't post more.

  • Kayne
    Kayne Member Posts: 103
    edited April 2010

    Hi All,

    YES!!  I finally had treatment #2.  My liver enzymes counts were down to 44, not quite normal but close to the normal high end.  At any rate, I was able to have my 2nd treatment on the day I should have had my 3rd, but whose counting?  Just glad to move forward.  I don't want to jinx myself, but so far so good.  Came home with less of a headache than last time.  Keeping fingers crossed.  Also went out for the first time without my wig, just a bandana and a hat.  Got a couple of sympathy smiles, guess thats ok.  Just don't want the pity look. 

    Wishing everyone a good day! 

  • MNLinda
    MNLinda Member Posts: 204
    edited April 2010

    farfromhone, I supplemented with glutamine during chemo.  It's an amino acid that your body normally gets plenty of from food, but becomes depleted when you have surgery, chemotherapy, or other kinds of trauma.  It was OK'd by my doctor and the chemotherapy nurses were familiar with it.  It is reputed to prevent peripheral neuropathy, and also to help protect your digestive tract and mucosa.

    I also found an interesting study online which reported that patients given glutamine in a hospital burn unit had lower mortality and were disharged sooner than those who did not, so it is thought to help the body rebuild.

    Hope it continues to go well for you!

    The dose the chemo nurses suggested was 5-10 MG per day for four days starting each treatment day.

  • hereandnow
    hereandnow Member Posts: 322
    edited April 2010

    Hi farfrom home, it sounds like your treatment is doing a great job if it's shrunk the tumour so quickly. I'm on  F. EC for the first 3 rounds then taxotere for the last 3, but not dose dense.  Hearing your story gives me great heart that this is all worth it, thank you.  I occasionally take a multivitamin, and otherwise just the usual cocktail in the first week (steroids, antinausea,antacid, claratyne for the neulasta pain, coloxyl). I joke that I don't have a drawer for my meds, I have a butlers pantry.

    Good luck with your treament in a foreign land, and the possible move in the summer. You speak a little French, how about Italian? Strength to you,

    Lisa 

  • 4Sophia
    4Sophia Member Posts: 23
    edited April 2010

    Hello everyone!

    It has been awhile since I have posted on the board.  Initially,my chemo was to start in February, however, it was changed to March, so I hope there is room in here for me.  I started on 3/3 with AC x 4 and will be beginning my first cycle of Taxol x 12 tomorrow.  I am feeling somewhat anxious about this as I am unsure of the side effects.  I am also excited that I have gotten through another portion of my treatment plan and that I am moving forward.  This has been a journey for me as I know you all can relate to.  I have not been working or attending school and I am beginning to feel bored.  I also feel like I am in a constant bubble, in that I am hypervigilant about my blood counts.  So far, so good, my oncologist and treatment team say I am doing well.  I think too that my feelings are due to some loss of control, the constant waiting, the fatigue, etc.  I am also now thinking about how I am going to reintegrate myself back into life now that it is Spring.  I am in need of some encouragement and welcome any hugs you have to offer.

    In Solidarity,

    Tiffany

  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited April 2010
    Hi Tiffany, here are some {{{hugs}}} and YOU CAN DO THIS - if we can, so can you! Smile
  • Charley
    Charley Member Posts: 255
    edited April 2010

    Tiffany - I completely understand.  I feel like so many things are "on hold" until I am done with treatment.  Thankfully there is an end in sight. Congrats on getting done with the AC portion of your treatment.  From what I have read in other posts, the weekly taxol may be easier on you ... so maybe you've gotten through the tough part! Hang in there. 

    Lots of hugs!

    Charley

  • undecided8
    undecided8 Member Posts: 194
    edited April 2010

    Tiffany: Charley is exactly right about getting through the toughest part. Congrats on getting through the aC part! I did the Taxol x 12 and other than dealing with the steroids I had NO problems at all. Good luck to you and hang in there!

    Suzanne E.

  • 4Sophia
    4Sophia Member Posts: 23
    edited April 2010

    Groundhog: Thank you so much for the hugs.  I so appreciate them and your support!

    Charley: Thank you too for the encouragement.  I too hope that this will be better for me.

    Undecided8: I so appreciate your normalizing this for me.  I would love to PM you sometime if that is ok.  I just took my second dose of steroids for tomorrow.  Seems like I am going to need to take my sleeping medications so that I can get some good rest. 

    Again sisters, I appreciate your responses and sharing your strength and courage with me.  I have been more deliberate in changing my eating habits and trying to get more exercise.  I learned a new strategy for shopping at the grocery store: only shop on the perimeter of the store, it has everything we need to eat well.  I have even started substituting raw organic sugar for regular granulated.  I know I can't make huge changes, but am realizing that the small ones add up significantly.  I will be in touch to let you all know how I am doing and to check in with your progress too.

    With love,

    Tiffany

  • hereandnow
    hereandnow Member Posts: 322
    edited April 2010

    Good on you Tifany, you're through the AC, I can't wait to be through EC in just 5 days. I haven't been doing any work or study until now - but I'm doing a days work on Friday and I'm really excited, and I'm not going to push my study until I start the taxotere because I feel too fuzzy to really focus like I need to on reading and writing. I hope it is milder than this bloody concoction I've been on.

    Speaking of diets, I usually eat pretty well and avoid fast foods, but yesterday I had a craving for and got myself a Quarter Pounder, fries, and a coke. It was great. Of course today I've had grainy cereal and a fresh carrot,orange and ginger juice, and been to the gym, but that's just called "balance" as far as I'm concerned - mmmm, tomorrow I think I might make some of my vanilla bean rice pudding. 

  • marilyn7
    marilyn7 Member Posts: 86
    edited April 2010

    3rd day out from my 3rd TAC (out of 6)  Half way there woo hoo!  Chemo went fine.  I have a constant phobia that my port will not work, but each time it works like a charm.  I'm feeling pretty good. Day 1, Day 2 were good with mini med induced naps and conking out early.  The 3rd day is the day it starts to turn for me with thursday being the worst and Friday being a SLEEP day.

    I have a new wrinkle - I have a sick teen at home - and as a cancer patient I am treating her like the plague, but as a mom I want to snuggle up with her and make her feel better.  I'm going to call my Onc in a few hours for her thoughts.  I get the Neulesta shot each time and my counts have always been good - great even during the mid-cycle.  And wouldn't you know I can't find the damn thermometer that we are supposed to keep on hand every minute of the day.

     Any one have experience with sick kids / partners in the house?

    Tiffany - as for exercise - There are so many friends who want to help, so I've assigned them the task of coming over and taking me for walks.  It's great to get out, it's fun to catch up and for me it helps the nausea and makes me feel strong 

  • staceyt
    staceyt Member Posts: 106
    edited April 2010

    Good Morning Sisters,

    Just checking in to see how everyone is doing, WELCOME Tiffany, there is always room here.  You will find great strength in the words that are written here. 

    Woke up to 8 inches of SNOW today what a let down.  It was very pretty but it is April and the trees are taking a hit from the heavy wet snow.

    Hang in there Sisters, I pray for you all everyday and send tons of HUGS your way.

    Stacey

    My headache is back again, 2 days and counting.

  • undecided8
    undecided8 Member Posts: 194
    edited April 2010

    Tiffany: Please feel free to PM me ANYTIME! I love to meet new people and share our stories.

    Good luck to all the ladies sitting in the chemo chair today. It's my 3rd of how many I'm not sure. But just remember each one is one more closer to being done! Hang in there everyone and wishing EVERYONE VERY minimum S/E. 

    Suzanne E.

  • sandiek9
    sandiek9 Member Posts: 54
    edited April 2010

    Hi Tiffany, I'm right behind you with the drugs - tomorrow is my last AC and then I move on to Taxol, but mine will be dose-dense, so every 2 weeks. You'll have to let me know what Taxol's all about! You'll find good company here, great group to be with on this journey! xxoo Sandie 

  • Ana1973
    Ana1973 Member Posts: 88
    edited April 2010

    Hello everyone! Today was tx 3 of 4....I'm seeing the light at the end of this chemo tunnel! Now, just a waiting game for the SE. I know the next week or so will be tough, but just one more to go! May 10th I have my CT scan of my abdomen to see about this kidney stone...ugh. Yet another hurdle to surmont!

    I am thinking of all of my BC sisters, praying for minimal SE for all of us. Love you all.

    Ana

  • frosty1
    frosty1 Member Posts: 420
    edited April 2010

    Welcome farfromhome!  It has to be tough dealing with this in a strange place.  It is hard enough close to home!  My onc told me to take vitamin D, so have been doing 1000 IU daily with my multi-vitamin.  Tiffany - glad you were finally able to start!  It is the waiting that is the hardest thing to manage.  I know I just want to be done.  I almost wish I was doing weekly, but glad I have the time to recover since I am on the 3 week cycle.

    Re your port -- one thing I heard is that cuts heal much more slowly when you are on chemo.  So my incision took weeks to look like it was finally healed.  And it doesn't hurt anymore.  I had mine put in Feb 25, so I"m a ways out.  I've noticed the long healing process on cuts on my hands as well.

    #4 next week. 

  • Charley
    Charley Member Posts: 255
    edited April 2010

    Hello fellow Marchers - Ready for a short rant?

    My husband just left for a 6 day business trip to HAWAII. They wanted to send him last week -- the day that I was scheduled to have treatment --- and he refused. They even offered to send me with him to "sweeten" the deal.  (Hello - I'm in the middle of chemo!!!) There other engineers they could be sending but they obviously have no clue what is going on. (I know hubby is between rock and a hard place ... we need his job)  

    I know I should be used to it by now (people not having a clue about what chemo treatment is or what its effects are) but I find myself increasingly frustrated by so-called clueless friends inquiring "You're still not feeling well? You had your treatment 5 days ago" or constantly wanting to "visit" when I am down ... I'm SICK ... no I do not feel like "hanging out" and talking, taking in a movie or going out and grabbing a bite to eat! I'm SICK.  I do not feel like entertaining. There is a reason I see them only once or twice a year and we are already way over this year's quota.  If you care, please send me a text or email message, bring me a dinner or a movie to watch (if you want), offer to help but stop asking me to do things with you or being offended when I do not call you back to report on how I am feeling today.  I guess I should be glad these people care but some of this caring is getting on my last nerve. 

    Sorry, I must sound like a major witch ... I do have many good friends that are so caring and helpful and I am extremely thankful for them. ... only a rogue few that are driving me bananas!

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