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  • KatieMom
    KatieMom Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2010

    I am doing 28 whole breast and 6 boosts.  

    I am getting alittle paranoid as they told me that they would be zapping a little bit of lung tissue 'cuz they have to.  S now after 4 doses I have a little cough ... psychosomatic?  I don't know.  I can't trust my brain any more....

    Katie 

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited April 2010

    Today went ok. I asked the tech dude about the number of treatments and he thought it might be related to the grade too. He said to ask the rad onc when I see her next week.

    Katie, I'm worried about it being on the left side - what will it do to the heart!!!

    Sue

  • KatieMom
    KatieMom Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2010

    Sue - Yea, they said they would do their best to miss the heart !?!?  The machine is so specific and they take an x ray once a week.  I trust them, but it is nerve wracking!!!

    Katie 

  • dsj
    dsj Member Posts: 277
    edited April 2010

    I'm getting 25 treatments with a boost each day to the tumor bed.  I think the boost each day is because I had close margins.  Or maybe it's just the way the radiation oncologist works.  who knows?  This (how radiation is delivered) was one part of the treatment I decided not to research!

     Had my "dry run" today and came home with a breast covered in green sharpy inked crosses and a big purple curve where my scar is.  I had no idea it would be so dramatic.  For some reason, I thought they just lined up the tattoos or if not, made discreet litttle marks to show where the tattoos are. 

     I can apply lotion, but just not where the (very large) marks are, so I'm not quite sure how that is going to work.  Also was told to shower with my back to the water, in order to keep the marks from getting wet.  I know I'm going to forget.

    But my good news is that I got a time around what I wanted.  10:15, which means I don't have to get up at the crack of dawn (it's a 30 minute drive back and forth) and I have my afternoons free. I am anxious to get started so I can be closer to being done.

  • LilyLu
    LilyLu Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2010

    Mine is also on the left side. When I had my sim, they told me I would have to hold my breath during radiation. When I would breathe , the lungs pushed the heart in the path of radiation. Said they would talk more to me about this when I went on Monday.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited April 2010

    Lily, I've been told to breathe normally.

     DSJ, I have tatoos and they use a black pen and only seem to make small marks near the tats. What a pain to try to not get your marks wet - what are the tats for. Your markings sound like what they did when I had the planning session.

  • KatieMom
    KatieMom Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2010

    I finally asked Todd the Tech why they bothered to put tattoos when he continues to draw on me daily.  He said the tattoos are reference marks and they would be able to find the real marks from those, but it is WAY faster to get me in and out with the Sharpie marker lines.  Harrummph.  They are pretty awful.  And he enhances them every day!  I have completed one week and have to admit that my bad boob hurts and I have a dull headache that is completely solved with Advil, but nagging.  Sorry for the whine.

    Katie 

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited April 2010

    Katie,

    I have so much muscle and joint pain from the chemo (4 1/2 weeks PFC), the boob is nothing compared to that. I've only had 3 zaps so it will be interesting to see how it goes.

    Sue

  • cwbagne79
    cwbagne79 Member Posts: 9
    edited April 2010

    All done!!  Girls ... I did the 1 week treatment with rad 2X per day ... 7:30AM and 2:30PM ... Accelerated Partial Breast Irradiation.  Happy Dance!

    At CT, I was tatooed with the standard 3 (both sides and mid-sternum) to align the machine when you first get set each day.  I had 2 X-Rays at each treatment (directly above and from the side) to make sure the tumor was aligned before they started.  At sim, I was given black sharpie in 6 spots and 3 were covered with the clear round tapes.  I was given the option to have these tatooed as well, but turned it down.  These were to mark the tumor bed and the edge of the breast tissue.  If these became light, they drew them back on.  Don't worry if you face the shower and they wash off.  They will still be faint if you do not use soap. 

    Mine was 3-D conformal, so I got 3 beams aimed at the tumor bed in 3 different directions at 3 different time intervals at 3 different strengths.  I had a 4th one direct over the top at a short time aimed at the tumor bed.  This is all what the rad onc decides at CT with the physicist.  You are in good hands .... believe me.  Do your best to relax and hold still.  Use imagery, or pray, or something, to relax.  I finished yesterday and I can tell you that I prayed the entire time I was being treated and I did not hold my breath. 

    Just relax ... I had a left breat tumor at 12 o'clock that was 2.3 cm IDC.  I had clear margins.  I was Grade 1, but this option is available for all early stage 0, I, and II breast cancers that have node negative status.  Please research your options before you settle for the standard of care - 33 weeks - that most doctors will push on you.  Believe me, I fired my surgeon and went to a different Breast Care facility that would give me this option.  Do your research.

    Good luck everyone ... radiation is not that difficult.  Keep a positive attitude!

  • Kathy044
    Kathy044 Member Posts: 433
    edited April 2010

    A one week treatment -- 2xper day, now that is another thing I hadn't heard of. When I first learned that in Canada the #16 radiation course (instead of #24) was quite common after breast conservation surgery and had been for several years, I did a search on BCO and found this Feb 2010 news report (in case anyone is interested). This certainly relieved any concerns that I might have had about doing this. My rad onc mentioned that the study was done in Ontario.

    http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/radiation/new_research/20100210b.jsp

    OTOH I did take a few days until I decided whether or not to go with the suggested radiation of the lymph nodes above the collarbone and the upper part of the axilla. I thought it would be ok to pass on this as I did just finish chemo, and I only had one positive node out of 15. I couldn't find any recent research on the benefit for this after a lumpectomy, though I did learn that (again in Ontario) there is currently one study underway. My lump was also at abt 12:00, I hope I didn't guess wrong.

     Oh and about the tattoos, I was told that if I wanted they could be removed by laser by the cancer centre at no cost. Would I want to do this? Probably not.

    My next appn't for CT simulation is April 15th 

  • redsox
    redsox Member Posts: 523
    edited April 2010

    I did thorough research. 

    Cwb is overstating the use of partial breast irradiation (PBI).  As the name suggests it delivers radiation to the area of the tumor bed and immediate proximity but not the whole breast.  The area of the tumor bed has the highest risk of recurrence but the rest of the breast has some risk of recurrence as well. The standard of care (not something I avoid but a minimum I would insist on when dealing with a disease with highly successful treatment options) is that PBI should be done on a clinical trial or only for patients with very low risk of recurrence (not all node negative Stage 0 , 1, 2).  Outcomes data is still short and limited but the best outcomes to hope for are near-equivalence with standard care, not improvement in outcomes. The advantage is that it is shorter and finished faster.

    Accelerated whole breast irradiation is a more interesting option.  It uses only about 16-18 whole breast treatments and a few boost treatments with a higher dose per fraction.  The comparative data looks good and shows equivalence in outcomes with standard treatment.  Data is not as long but quite solid as this approach has been used in Canada for a long time.  Some American facilities do offer it to a wide range of patients.  I think this is likely to become more widespread in the USA in coming years.  

  • cwbagne79
    cwbagne79 Member Posts: 9
    edited April 2010

    I was not overstating the use of Partial Breast Irradiation at all.  I just want everyone to be aware of the options out there.  Partial Breast Irradiation is not Whole Breast Irradation - I agree.  My Oncogene Score was 15 - low risk for recurrance and thus, a decision was made for this short course of radiation therapy and no chemotherapy.  Because I am 48, had a localized tumor with no lymph node involvement, and it was located over my heart, I made a decision to irradiate the tumor bed and a margin only instead of the whole breast.  Many countries are using this procedure as standard and it has been in the US for the past 10 years with great data.  In the next 10 years, you will see it being used more, as we educate doctors and get them used to a new standard of care.

  • kmid
    kmid Member Posts: 23
    edited April 2010

    Hi, April Rads! I have just finished 9 days of treatment and finally feel the light at the end of the tunnel! Got sick the day before I started and center said come anyway. Only get marked with pen in 3 places quite quickly each time. Machine zaps from left side and then moves 180 degrees to zap on right.

    Asked bs about irradation treatment. She said I wasn't a candidate. Asked onc. doc. about Canadian fraction.  He said 28 plus 6 was still the "standard of care" but eventually all might move to that. I hope not to be back for that! After a roller coaster ride the past 5 months or so, hopefully settling down. For those of us not in a major med area it takes much research, travel and soul searching to make decisions-at least in my experience.  I am still teaching and drive 40 min. each way at end of day. Still have option of taking time off.  Good luck to all!

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited April 2010

    Hi Girls,

    Well no 4 is out of the way. I'm glad I asked for early morning times as I was home by 9am. Tomorrow it's around lunch time. Their appt system is really crazy. The rest of the week the times are early. Got to go and try and find a sports bra that fits - that will be a real challenge. The wireless ones I got have too many seams. No burning yet - fingers crossed. I see the rad onc on Wednesday, so will ask her about the no. of treatments ie if it has anything to with the grade of the cancer.

    Sue

  • cwbagne79
    cwbagne79 Member Posts: 9
    edited April 2010

    Here is the link to the information on this website about the 1 week options for Partial Breast Irradiation.

    http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/radiation/new_research/20091013c.jsp

    This is where I found information so I could ask questions.  Good luck everyone!

  • BossyRenee
    BossyRenee Member Posts: 77
    edited April 2010

    Hello April group!

    Went for ct sim this past Thurs. and now I look like someone was looking for a treasure on me. I've got X's and dashes. They were done with magic marker; my center doesn't use tattoos. Tech stated that if the doc had to re-position then the tats would be useless and have to be re-done. I go for my dry-run on the 15th. I guess that's when I'll find out how many tx I'll actually receive. Good luck and God bless to everyone.

    Wanda

  • Tarry1
    Tarry1 Member Posts: 85
    edited April 2010

    Hi April Rads Group, today I go for my first radiation treatment,  I wasn't told about a a sim or anything, so I'm assuming this will be the actual radiation. I will let you know how it goes.

  • Tarry1
    Tarry1 Member Posts: 85
    edited April 2010

    Hi April Rads Group, today I go for my first radiation treatment,  I wasn't told about a a sim or anything, so I'm assuming this will be the actual radiation. I will let you know how it goes.

  • littletower
    littletower Member Posts: 333
    edited April 2010

    I'm starting rads April 12th. 6 1/2 weeks...Glad to have the boards:) Hello all!

  • CinCan
    CinCan Member Posts: 86
    edited April 2010

    Hi Suepen - I know you from the TCH topic board.  Happy to be done with chemo!  I'm glad you started April Rads, you should post that on the TCH topic... for the past month I've been reading the March RADs Group...great bunch of gals, didn't post just read.  Last week, I had my planning session which consisted of a CT Scan and my body was marked with red and black markers in six places and covered with tape.  Tomorrow I go in for the TATs, setting up of the treatment machine and then x-rays in my treatment position.  At that time I will be given my treatment schedule.  I'm anxious to start and get this over with.  On Friday I had my first triple dose of Herceptin and I didn't react much different than the weekly dose.... I'm so glad it's changed to every 3 weeks.  I'm sooo... ready for the second phase of my journey and looking forward to meeting all the April Rad Ladies!  

  • LilyLu
    LilyLu Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2010

    Went for my 1st rad this morning, but didn't get any rad. They checked all the lines and markings from the sim last week. Make more marks on me ( it does look a treasure map x marks the spots) and did x rays. I have to hold my breath during these short times to keep my heart out of line of rad. They were so nice, explaining everything as they did it. I have been so lucky to have wonderful drs. all thru this. They also told me that I would only need 16 instead of 33. That was good news today.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2010

    Hi ladies.  Thanks for all of your very informative posts.  I will have my sim tomorrow which will include tatts.  My rad onc said I will get 33 treatments (6 1/2 weeks).  I really hope they start rads next week FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.  I can't see waiting an additional 2-3 weeks to start...ugh.  I was laid off in December and really need to resume my job search.  I can't fathom getting rads during a probationary period at a new job so I have to wait.

    Wishing you all the best...

  • CTMOM1234
    CTMOM1234 Member Posts: 633
    edited April 2010

    The waiting to begin is the hardest part. I speak from experience, as today will mark my LAST FULL BREAST TREATMENT (#25 OF 25, and then just 5 boosts)!!! Yeah!!!! But OMG, the waiting to get the rad show on the road seemed so difficult, lots of waiting for biop. results, genetic results, meeting with onc. to see if I needed chemo. first, check with breast surgeon to see how I was healing from lump and sentinel node surgeries -- so stressful! Hang in there!!!!!

    Please do read our March board to help envision what to expect over the next month(s). I am SO glad to have this almost behind me, and you all will too.

    With 30 treatments (and initally told it might be 33), I didn't count my days done -- there were too many -- just "Week 1 done" then "Week 2 done." Once I'd had #20, I switched over to counting down in the single digits.

    Wishing you all the absolutely very best, As Dory in Finding Nemo said, "Just Keep Swimming."

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited April 2010

    Welcome to the new girls!!!!

    CinCan: I found the first sole herceptin treatment to be ok too. I didn't have mine weekly but 3 weekly with the TC.

    Sue

  • dsj
    dsj Member Posts: 277
    edited April 2010

    My first treatment dared and done. 

    I thought I was fine, but I arrived and started crying in my car.  I called my sister and pulled myself together.  I then went into the treatment place, and there was my husband--waiting to help me get through it.  He had wanted to drive me, but he had a meeting and couldn't get home in time to pick me up.  However, he managed to get to the medical center in time for my appointment.  So I was surprised to see him and in tears again. But it's done.  And surely will be easier tomorrow.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited April 2010

    dsj,

    I cried too. I think it's just that it's a whole new process and a bit scary the first time. After chemo, you would think I would have been braver but not so. I was fine the second time though, so I'm sure you will be too. That was so sweet of your husband making it in time.

    Sue

  • Purdue98
    Purdue98 Member Posts: 33
    edited April 2010

    Hi Ladies-

    I went for my "sim" on 3/30 and was marked in 3 spots with black sharpie, and those spots were covered with tape/stickers. I didn't realize it would take this long to get the process started...I am supposed to start this week sometime. Two of my stickers feel off in the shower last week so I was re-marked on Friday. I wish I would have realized how important these marks were...

    I feel under-informed by my MD about the process so it has been very helpful reading these posts. How does one go about keeping the sharpie marks on the skin for 6 weeks??

  • KatieMom
    KatieMom Member Posts: 127
    edited April 2010

    I will get dose 7 today and Todd the Tech keeps enhancing my treasure map.  My sticky dots appear to be VERY stuck and it seems they will stay on me for the entire road of 34 doses.  I am getting zapped at 7 am everyday and by 2 I have a sore boob and naggy little headache.  Anyone else experiencing this?  

    DSJ - what a nice man.  Mine has been with me every step of the way, although he doesn't go to rads with me.. too early and he takes care of the kid.

    I am annoyed by radiation at this time, mostly just annoyed with cancer - what a surprise.. Money mouth 

  • LilyLu
    LilyLu Member Posts: 19
    edited April 2010
    Yea, 1st rad done today. LaughingTook 15 minutes and I was on my way to work. I will have to make sure the tops I wear to work don't show my beautiful makings. One line seems to be kinda high. I have to keep pulling the neckline up and it's driving me crazy. I think they will have to keep refreshing my lines, they do seem to fade. My sticky dots also seem to be very stuck.
  • CinCan
    CinCan Member Posts: 86
    edited April 2010

    Just got back from my "Sim"... machines were a little intimidating.  I was given 5 little tats....2 of them didn't hurt at all, but the other 3 stung like crazy. I kept my eyes closed and went to my happy place while all this was being done.  When I they were all done, the tech asked me if I was OK...I just nodded, said thank you, and went to change. I wasn't feeling very friendly... I just feel so numb towards it all (I think the past 8 months are finally getting to me). I was told that I could now shower or bathe normally and not have to worry about any markings...Yea!  Not sure how the tats look until I shower and scrub off all the markings. I officially start rads on the 21st...will have 25 Full Breast and 6 Boosts.

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