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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited April 2010

    Darn!  Wish I'd printed it out, 'cuz I knew the thread was going into never never land!

  • Rico
    Rico Member Posts: 128
    edited April 2010

    Just as well. Your post can be a Rorshach for those of us who didn't get to read it. It can be whatever we want it to be - a level of brilliant argument that put the haters to shame and forced the moderators to finally take a stand for the have-nots.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited April 2010

    In my view:

    1. Whenever an American says that single payer healthcare doesn't work, and that the healthcare provided is inferior, it is insulting to all of us on this forum who live in countries that benefit from the single-payer system.

    2.  The issue of democracy "not working" is also an insult to every successful democratic country.  Many consider Canada a nanny state, but remember that Canada bounced back from the world-wide recession thanks, in large part, to banking regulations and is now the envy of first-world countries and the safest place to invest.  Yep, a wee bit of our "freedom" taken away by these regulations has had only good results.  And our so-called socialist country encourages inventors and manufacturers to become highly successful -- consider just 2 examples: Bombardier - planes and trains throughout the world, and Research in Motion - that little blackberry that everyone just has to have!

    3.  A responsible voter listens to all sides in the political debate, not just the side she's comfortable with, and then makes a well-considered choice.

    4.  Finally, consider the source of every viral email, robocall, TV/radio/newspaper ad, internet blog (and billboards too).  Is the message a philosophical one, or is it in support of corporate interests?

    Kiss

    Oops, forgot one!  Had to do with philanthropy and socialist countries expecting the state to provide everything -- I had just read that, per capita, Canadian citizens had given more in relief aid to Haiti than any other country.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited April 2010
    Edited to say I accidentally posted twiceFoot in mouth
  • Rico
    Rico Member Posts: 128
    edited April 2010

    What are the odds that a thoughtful, reasoned post would have been the last to appear on that ridiculous thread?

    LOL. 

    If only there had been more posts  like this one, the thread would have survived. 

    Congrats, Linda.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2010

    Actually, I suspect there would have been some  name calling and odd videos or blogs referred to as evidence.  Never ending circle.

    Rico, are you going back south or hanging out here a little longer?  Our weather is just turning nice. 

  • Rico
    Rico Member Posts: 128
    edited April 2010

    Well, it looks like it's now safe for me to return home so I'll be tucking Mr Bunny under my arm and heading towards the border where, hopefully, Enjoyful will be waiting.

    In all seriousness, though, I wonder if the whole flap over health care reform has caused more than a few Americans to re-think their impressions of our northern neighbors. It sure is a whole lot harder to think of Canada as a comparatively weaker, less successful country, eh? 

  • Rico
    Rico Member Posts: 128
    edited April 2010
    Deleted a duplicate. Darn it.
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited April 2010

    Actually, Rico, they're probably saying those pesky, yappy Canucks are just gettin' a bit too big for their britches LOL!  The river is calm and quiet, it's finally stopped raining, Enjoyful is waving on the other side, so bye bye, and please come again!

    Our $ is hovering at par, BTW!

  • Rico
    Rico Member Posts: 128
    edited April 2010

    I continue to keep a watchful eye on the Canadian economy. I just can't figure out how a socialist country can weather the global financial meltdown better than free-market economies.

    Hmmm. <scratching chin> LOL. 

  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited April 2010

    You can count me in as a convert!

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited April 2010

    I can't believe  these posts. Think twice  before you post.????

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited April 2010

    Excellent news on Canadian currency!  I have a Canadian bank account and I bought those dollars at $.77!  Don't leave Canada yet, Rico!  It's party time!

    I got some good news this week, ladies.  I've been accepted into a clinical trial for a breast cancer vaccine being run out of St. Louis.  We begin on Monday - wish me luck!

    E

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited April 2010

    Enjoyful, that's fabulous news!  Imagine -- a vaccine for BC.  Any idea about what the tx will be like -- e.g. any S/Es?  Or just a simple shot in the arm?

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited April 2010

    Linda,

    They're not expecting any side effects other than redness or swelling at the injection site.  I'll have three series of shots, two shots each time, four weeks apart.  It's a Phase I trial so it's primarily testing safety.   The secondary purpose is to determine whether the vaccine triggers an immune response.  Fascinating stuff!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited April 2010

    Well, on behalf of all of us, and the women who may join us, thank you for enrolling in the trial! 

    Hugs, Linda

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited April 2010

    Thank you for enrolling, enjoyful. May the trial be a success for you and for us all.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited April 2010

    Linda, good work!!!!

    enjoyful ... excellent news about a vaccine .... please let us know how it goes. Wouldn't it be amazing if it helped all of us???? Good for you for trying it out.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited April 2010
  • Kyta
    Kyta Member Posts: 713
    edited April 2010

    I echo your sentiments all

    Linda ~ I didn't read your post but your summary above, sounds great. Enjoyful ~ wow, how exciting, a vaccine that's going to trial. Please keep us updated.

    And woo-hoo about our dollar!!

  • mke
    mke Member Posts: 584
    edited April 2010

    That rising dollar isn't all good news.  My husband's business has contracts with foreign countries in US dollars, unfortunately the expenses are in Canadian dollars.  It really is time for an international currency.  Oh well, I doubt that we will go hungry or anything serious.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited April 2010
    Interantional currency!!! Next you want one world government, like democracy!!!!! And a single payer health care system!!!!!!Laughing
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited April 2010

    No way, notself -- then we'd start arguing about unimportant stuff!  BTW, I love your taglineSmile.

  • covertanjou
    covertanjou Member Posts: 569
    edited April 2010

    WOW!  So many posts to read since I have been away from the boards!

    Welcome to all our new members!

    Enjoyful, I hope the trial goes super, super well!  I suspected you were a trailblazer!

    Lindasa, glad you got the last word!  I am both glad and sad the thread is gone.  I actually liked reading some of the posts! 

    notself, GREAT tagline!

    I am in the midst of correcting too many essays to count!  UGH! I love teaching, but the correcting is a killer.  

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited April 2010

    It was difficult to decide between the one I chose and this as a tag line.

    "If you see what is small as it sees itself, and accept what is weak for what strength it has, and use what is dim for the light it gives, then all will go well. This is called Acting Naturally."  - Lao-Tsu

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited April 2010

    There's so much wisdom here . . . notself, do you mind if I steal one or both of your taglines for personal use?  (And Lindasa's, too.) 

    After being away from this board for the better part of two days, I was curious how the U.S. health care discussion had been going . . . and also dreading the answer.  So I was relieved to see that it was no more.  I'm sorry I missed Lindasa's final post, though.

    Linda

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited April 2010

    Lewing, Notself, Rico, Layne, Alpal, Floralgal, Enjoyful (and oh dear, who have I missed?) I have learned SO much reading your posts -- your well-thought-out and well-researched responses, and your civility and consideration, not to mention your senses of humour!  Those of us who post on this thread really enjoy your participation.  Please stick around!  We'll try to come up with some controversial topics, just to keep the blood flowing and the brain cells knocking into each otherWink.

    Hugs to you all!

    The other Linda

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited April 2010

    lewing,

    Feel free to use either or both.  I'm glad you like them as much as I do.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited April 2010

    Good Morning Canadian Friends (think Robin Williams doing Good Morning Viet Nam),

       I miss the healthcare thread.  I know it got mean sometimes, but I learned a lot, searched for info independently ... and I think, came out smarter for it.  I even miss the tension.  I get bored waiting for my next transcription job .. and that thread gave me something to think about.  Also got my BP up!  I would have never read such large portions of the bill if not for that thread.

       But, I think it ran it's course as far as the healtcare debate went.

    Should I be buying some Canadian dollars???  Can you use chumpchange to get in on this???

    Hugs .. have a great Saturday!

    love,

    Bren

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2010

    I've been off the computer...have my family here.  I actually signed on to see if I had any PMs.

    When I posted the video to Bren, I want all of you to know it was going to be my last...at least that was my goal.  One can change their minds as many of us have.

    I have never posted on this thread.  I feel like an outsider.  What is really hurting me right now (almost to tears...awwww...poor Shirley) is you are calling us haters.  I don't hate.  I don't believe I've ever said your single-payer doesn't work.  I wish I had those post to prove it.  Because we don't want single-payer has nothing to do with you as far as I'm concerned.

    I see where someone said to think before you post.  Hmmmm...you ignored her.  And she's from Canada.  I don't know her but you may.

    I'm speaking for myself.  I am sorry you feel like we who are conservative are just lousy people.  You have lumped us into one category.

    Continue having a good time blasting us.  We had/have breast cancer too.  We have different opinions.  And I'm sorry the mods thought they had to totally delete the thread. They could have locked it.  You won.  And I'll probably be sorry for posting this.

    Now back to my family.

    Shirley

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