Mom in ICU w brain mets. Won't see daughter.

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cs34
cs34 Member Posts: 253

Our amazing friend has been battling for 12 years. She is now in ICU with brain mets, feeding tube, breathing tube, etc. We don't think she will be leaving the hospital.

She refuses to let her daughter see her this way. Her daughter is 21.

We need to hear opinions please if we should respect our friend's wishes or allow the daughter to see her mother.

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011
  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited April 2010

    I think you should respect her wishes.  She doesn't want her daughter remembering her in the state she is now. They can talk on the phone and say their goodbyes.  I can understand her feelings.

    My prayers are with them,

    Nancy

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited April 2010

    If she can have conversations, maybe the daughter should talk to her on the phone and ask - beg, even - to see her mother.

    So sorry about your friend. Prayers are being sent for her.

    Leah

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011
  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited April 2010

    I would respect the wishes of the mother.  When my uncle died of Alzheimer's, his immediate family did not want me to visit him, so I would remember him as a more healthy, functioning person.

    You also may not know of dysfunctions within the family.  I didn't guess that there may have been some traumatic incidences with my friend with pancreatic cancer.  (I spent hundreds of hours with her the last 9 months of her life while she was undergoing chemotherapy and radiation.) She never told me about any incidents, or made the slightest hint about this, and I had known her for some 10 years.  I didn't guess until a few days before she died.   She was freaking out when we were taking off her pants to change her diaper.  She physically agitated about a particular family member who  was 50 feet away looking at her back, not her front.  The family member would have seen a lot more if she was wearing a bathing suit. I will never know what happened, or if my guesses are right, but I strongly guess there was something that went on between my friend and that family member that went waay back. Whatever it was, it made my friend very scared, and I didn't want her experience of dying to be any worse than what it already was.

    So you never know the history of what is between two people.  Maybe the mother only wants her daughter to not remember her as helpless.  But I would want to respect the mother's wishes.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2010

    Every post above that I read I was nodding my head going "that seems right" until I read the next one. It's a tough call but here are my thoughts:

    Your friend has been battling cancer since her daughter was 9. That's a lot of time for "good-byes". I don't want my kids to see me dying. I saw both my parents die and though I don't resent it, I certainly didn't think it was the best experience I ever had with them either. I'm not one of the lucky ones who felt blessed to be there for their death. 

    I would want my kids to remember me alive and "in the moment"....not living off a machine. Sorry, but I vote for the mother's request. The daughter has had more than enough time to spend with her Mom. If she chose not to be with her Mom in the past number of years that is her problem, not her Moms'.

    Sorry to sound so tough, but it IS a very hard call, and that is my honest opinion.

  • GrammyNancy
    GrammyNancy Member Posts: 666
    edited April 2010

    I will give you my experience but I can see validity in all the above responses.  I spent the last 10 weeks of my Mother's life staying with her...she too had brain cancer.  Towards the end my Mother could not walk or communicate and it was heartbreaking.  She had always said she wanted to die at home and we were able to accomdate that wish.  Was it hard to see my Mother that way...you better believe it....is that the way I remember her...not at all.  I have wonderful treasured memories of my Mother and I would not change a thing I did.  I spent many hours sitting holding her hand and just talking to her... letting her know how much I loved her, how thankful I was that she was my Mother and about so many of my memories.  This helped me immensly and I think it helped her....I was able to tell her that it was okay to go that we would be okay.

    I did have a very close relationship with my Mother....do you know if your friend and daughter were close.  Although the daugher and Mother have had along time knowing this was coming somehow I think it is human nature to play Scarlet O'Hara  and put things off and think about them tomorrow. 

    My prayers for all involved.

  • jansdaughter
    jansdaughter Member Posts: 265
    edited April 2010

    I could not have imagined not seeing my mother before she died.  I had 48 years with my mom, 7 of it dealing with breast cancer and saying goodbye in those 7 years didn't even cross my mind until the very end when we were unfortunately forced to. I can NOT even imagine if I was only 21.   GrammyNancy, I could have written your post almost verbatim....I totally agree with you.   

    I pray the poor darling is allowed t see her mama. 

  • dee1961
    dee1961 Member Posts: 1,672
    edited April 2010

    Please let her daughter see her mother. If her daughter was a very young child it may be different. I would not want to be the one to tell her NO you cannot see your dying mother. Just know if you don't let her, she will never forgive you.

  • cs34
    cs34 Member Posts: 253
    edited April 2010

    Thank you all so very much for your opinions.

    Childhood friend and daughter are going to the hospital this weekend and daughter will make an attempt to see Mom.

    Dr's are trying different things but they're just not sure what will make a difference. She has lost more weight this week so it makes it even more of an issue of "how she looks."

    When the nurses tell our friend the daughter is coming she gets worked up so they have to tread lightly...just so difficult.

    Thank you all again, so much!!!

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2010
    Something to consider, but if the mom absolutely refuses, then she could become very agitated if the daughter comes into the room. It sounds like she gets upset even discussing it with the nurses, that could be an indicator.  If that happened, it  could be a REALLY bad experience/memory for the daughter.  As an alternative, could the daughter sit with her a bit while she is sleeping? Would that work perhaps? I know it sounds crazy, but I am tryin to think creatively.

    I know we are all different, but it is hard to imagine pushing your child away if she wants to see you.

    I wish peace to all during this very difficult time.
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2010

    That seems like a win-win situation Amy. The mother should be at peace....

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited April 2010

    I agree - that sounds like a win-win solution. I really like that idea, Amy and barbe!

    If I did NOT want to see someone during the last parts of my journey, I would really be VERY angry/distressed if my wishes were ignored, whatever my reasons. You may not understand or agree with the mother's feelings or reasoning, but I think the mom's wishes should be respected while the mom is conscious.  I would not want the mom's passing to be any more difficult than it already is.

  • Lena
    Lena Member Posts: 1,036
    edited April 2010

    Leaf, you took the words right out of my mouth.

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