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  • pj12
    pj12 Member Posts: 25,402
    edited March 2010

    Totally understand! This is so difficult. I am hoping when my 5 years are up there will be some guidelines, thanks to pioneers like you. Thank you!

    pam 

  • dutchgirl1
    dutchgirl1 Member Posts: 9
    edited April 2010

    Hallo Lady's did 5years of Arimidex and 2 years of celebrex was on a trial did very well till they stopped celebrex Reasons hart problems.After that i had so many side affect I was ready to stop Al's.made it now I'm doing fine.all side effect  stopped. I do have some problems lower back problems due to arthritis .sorry my english is not very good.Do`not give up you wil be fine

  • figgy652
    figgy652 Member Posts: 13
    edited April 2010

    Thank you, Jo!  I AI's are better than cancer.  I have been taking it for 1 month and 5 years seems like an eternity to me.  I also know they don't know as much about AI's as Tamoxifen and feel a bit like a guinea pig.

    I would also like to know if there is ANYONE who has NOT gained weight with Armidex?  Anyone??

    Thanks guys

    Figgy 

  • pj12
    pj12 Member Posts: 25,402
    edited April 2010

    HI Figgy,

    Did you see the report that just came out about weight gain in women followed for many years? Bottom line: in women who did NOT diet ... they all slowly gained weight over the years except if they exercised one hour a day, 7 days a week! I think I am paraphrasing correctly. It's so hard! Especially if you work or have young children. How do you find the time?

    I have not gained weight on Arimidex (taking it since June 09) but we do watch our diet very closely and I walk 2 1/2 - 3 miles a day. I feel as if diet and exercise are my career! It's a terrible price to pay but I think of being thin as one of my ways to fight breast cancer.  Also the walking has helped me a LOT with the side effects.

    Who really knows what helps?  Wishing you good health.

    pam 

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited April 2010

    I have lost 23 pounds.  I take Arimidex, Effexsor, Xanax, Percecet, and monthly infusions of Aredia.  Of course, I am stage iv and don't have much choice in the matter if I want to keep on going.  I changed my diet a bit and drink more water. 

    Although it is a personal choice to decide whether or not to do the hormonals - I was 10 years NED and until it came back.  If I hadn't done the hormonals after the initial dx - I often wonder if I would be here to tell you that? 

    Its a crap shoot - I had a great 10 years, managed the se's quite well - these next 10 (unlikely but hopefully and maybe more) are likely not to be so pleasant but at least I am still here, still fighting and QOL is not bad.  And thinning of the hair on Arimidex?  Mine is getting thicker - I didn't lose it all with chemo 10 years ago but boy did it thin and never really came back in properly.  Effexsor fixed the night sweats, xanax took care of the anxiety and since its bone mets - the percecet takes care of most of the pain although the joints still ache a bit. 

    I won't say take the damn pill - but do something to help prevent a recurrence so that we don't have to get to know you over on the stage iv forum.  The folks there are just wonderful - but the reason we are there sucks the biggest weinie ever!

    Hugs to All

    Low Rider

  • shorfi
    shorfi Member Posts: 791
    edited April 2010

    Thanks Jo...I was practically begging my oncologist too. She didn't bend, she just smiled and said it was up to me. I just feel so defenseless. I am 55, approaching 56 in September. I was 49 when diagnosed and turned 50 the next month.

    Doctor just mentioned that some of her patients stop and some stay on. I am schedule for my breast MRI this month and will see surgical oncologist next month. I will let her know what is going on and get her opinion. Then I am scheduled for mammogram in October along with tumor markers and bone scan. My surgical oncologist does this routinely.

    Just doing nothing is scary. I even panicked thinking my oncologist was not going to see me anymore. But she said she would still be follow-up appointments. Maybe I will feel different in the days ahead. Hope so Undecided

  • shorfi
    shorfi Member Posts: 791
    edited April 2010

    Sorry LowRider, but I didn't find your post encouraging.

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited April 2010

    Well, without a cure...we do the best we can.

  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited April 2010

    Hi Figgy 652,

    My side effects with arimidex began 4 months after starting. I put up with them for another 2 months and then called the doc. as I was totally couch-ridden. He told me to stop and mentioned that 30% of women have the same problem and he gave me one month off and I will begin another pill. Not sure which one yet. My friend has been on arimidex for 3 years and only has mild aches and pains, so I guess she is in the 70% group. Hope you will be in her group. Cheers.

  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited April 2010

    Binva and Vivre:

    I take it that you are both early b.c. for you to quit the drug. I may be joining you if my next pill is as bad as arimidex for me. But before I do I will cut them in half and get only 1/2 of the benefit. Innocent

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    I haven't gained weight, actually dropped a couple extra pounds, been on since August 2007. I watch the calories and exercise like crazy.

  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited April 2010

    J0-5

    I cut the arimidex pill in 1/2 for one week. There is a definite technique to it.Cool

  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited April 2010

    Has anyone heard any news on how Amy Michelson is doing. I don't see anything in the papers anymore. She is early stage from what I remember reading. She must have begun her 5 year pill by now.

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited April 2010

    Thanks Jo - if there were no nodes, I may have been inclined to not take it either but with a full 4 and a tiny into the fifth...it was moving already.  Statistics showed I would survive 10 years but without the hormonals, there was a pretty good chance of a recurrence within 5.  Boy did I do the happy dance at the 5 year mark!  A clean mamo at the 10 year mark was exciting but darn, more tests over the next few months and just crap, wouldn' t you know....there the beastly little sob was in my spine!  Sneaky, it is, very, very sneaky...wish ya'll the best with whatever decisions you make - some day - they will be able to KILL the beast and none of this will matter any more! 

  • kbram
    kbram Member Posts: 185
    edited April 2010

    I just have to chime in here.  I have been watching this thread for some time now but have never posted anything.  I am not on Arimidex, but I do take Aromasin.  For some reason there is not too much info on the Aromasin threads, that why I like this one.  I figure a lot of the SE's are the same for all the Al's.  My onco put me on an anti-inflammatory med called diclofenac and it has helped tremendously with the painful joints.  I still take plenty of supplements and exercise every day and I think all of this combined has helped me. Please press your docs for some help, it is out there.  I had a terrible time with joint pain and now I can see me staying on Aromasin for the full five years.  I have been on it for just over one year.  I know the importance of staying on it and hope I continue to feel this way three or four years from now.  Good luck to everyone, it is a struggle!

    Hugs, Kathy

  • LouLou40
    LouLou40 Member Posts: 180
    edited April 2010

    Chemo sent me into menopause at 40 and I've been taking Arimidex for 6 months.

    I was travelling along fine with no real complaints except for sore feet which may have been a SE from the Chemo them bam, just the last couple of weeks the leg pain of a night has kicked in big time. I can't sleep and when I'm tired the hot flahes seem worse, or my ability to cope with them decreases. I haven't gained weight and do try and exercise most days which seems to help, but I can't comprehend 5 or more years on an AI. I just want my pre BC life back, I was super fit and healthy felt really young and now I feel like an old woman with chronic health complaints.

    LL

  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited April 2010

    Thanks Kathy, I will check out the diclofenac.

  • gemo
    gemo Member Posts: 612
    edited April 2010

    15 years ago (when my  youngest child was 4) I was initially diagnosed, did chemo then 5 years of AI.  May '07 mets, Zometa and Arimidex with great results until a week ago when the beast became active.  The way I see it, for whatever it's worth, is had I not had the Tamoxifen post chemo  the cancer have returned when there were fewer options.  My goal at that time was to see my children grow to be adults and I did that.  I now feel the AIs, aches and pains included, provide time for better treatments to be developed.  In the meantime, I lead an full and active life.  Good luck to you all, whatever you choose!

  • shorfi
    shorfi Member Posts: 791
    edited April 2010

    Jo-5...I will be 6 years out Septemer 1st.

    Just wanted to say thank you for your encouraging words and wish you the best of health ALWAYS Smile

  • lovemyfamilysomuch
    lovemyfamilysomuch Member Posts: 1,585
    edited April 2010

    Just had a check up with my onc, he gave me two week vacation from arimidex.  The joint pain is so bad now that I hobble along and m fingers are like claws.  Therehas to be a better way.

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited April 2010

    Thanks Kathy...a friend of mine who has had chronic back pain for over 20 years since a work injury indicated that the antinflamatories work for his pain (not the back specifically but the muscles supporting the back) better than the pain meds.  I imagine joints would be similar - I am going to ask about it my next visit.  I always have to ask with so many meds to make sure nothing conflicts or decreases the effectiveness of the treatments.  Oh, and it will quite the addition to the top of my fridge!

  • kbram
    kbram Member Posts: 185
    edited April 2010

    Painterly and Lowrider......you are welcome.  I'm with Jo as far as taking the Al, it is easier than treating cancer!!  I tried everything my dr told me to try in regard to the joint pain.  She said I could take two Aleve twice a day......did not touch the pain.  At one point I told her I could do it if I could have Percocet for five years!  NOT!!!  I also have some arthritis in my lower back which showed up on a CT scan and all the pain wanted to "settle" there and in my knees.  The diclofenac helps so much......I am on the lowest dose, so if I have more pain on one day I can increase the dose.  I'm trying to keep a positive outlook and trying not to look at it as counting the days until I can stop but...........I AM counting the days until I can stop!!  Anyway, best of luck to all!!  Happy Easter!!

    Hugs, Kathy

  • PB22
    PB22 Member Posts: 315
    edited April 2010

    I've just about completing my two weeks off arimidex for the joint pain. I can now open and close my hands with more ease.  Hoping for the best.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited April 2010

    Hell and Pain. The AI's cause damage to certain of us. Why is not known. The damage is identified in the release form that each of us signed at the beginning of therapy. Refer back to my post on drug interactions. If I had really known how much damage to my body that the AI's would do I may have made a different choice..They are not worth the loss of daily life everething. AND anyone who says I can tolerate the pain better or I must be able to tolerate the pain better--or says they can tolerate the pain better  when someone has posted the pain is awful or unbearable--------you haven't a clue about the pain that the person is talking about.  The damage these drugs can do to us is signifigant. Anyone who says I'm doing fine on these drugs..  well It has hurt me each time when someone has said  " I must have a better tolerance for pain"---------I'm angry right know because if my onc, my pharmisist had done the drug interanction profile i would not have been damaged as I am.---------BUT never say "i must have a high tolerance for pain"  when you have no clue what someone else is going through.

  • Blundin2005
    Blundin2005 Member Posts: 1,167
    edited April 2010

    Sas-schatzi -- you are not alone.  Even the stats talk about 30% of women experience severe pain and 50% stop to take AI 3 years out.  I understand it perfectly and did just that ... actually 3.5 years.  

    However, I usually stay away from this topic because I don't want to influence anyone's decision about treatment.  The stakes are high and no one can make these decisions for us....they are ours alone to make.  One size does not fit all.  Unfortunately, this is the best that medicine and science can do for us at this point even though there is hopeful science coming.  We need to hold onto each other's coat tail when we fight our way through these treatments.

     My comment is not made lightly or without much effort to educate myself on the alternatives.  Quality of life matters.  I'm 61.5 years old.  This is a factor.  I'm retired.  This is a factor.  And it doesn't mean that I stop to go to my checkups or stop to have whatever diagnostic tool helps to see problems early.  And it doesn't mean that I will never take medicine or chemo again.

    My decision simply means that for today I am NED (x 2).  It means that I no longer need to walk with a cane, or take NSAIDs that strain my liver, or consider carpel tunnel surgery because my hands stop to work, or take anti depressives.  The only med I take now is Levotiroxina sodica for hypo thyroid (at a decreased dosage now) and tylenol for arthritis pain.  Each of these diseases are immune deficiency diseases as is cancer.  I have family history of all.  

    My decision also means that I pay attention to what I feed my body and exercise.  

    I especially empathize with your frustration of people who mean well but have no idea how much pain the medication causes us 30%ers.  NO IDEA.  Thus they offer remedy that might or might not help.  For instance, I learned through this hunt for relief and from women here on the boards that certain vitamin deficiency create pain in the body.  You've probably read about vitamin D3, calcium and magnesium.  I can vouch for this remedy because it did relieve some pain. There is scientific speculation that these vitamins may do more than just relieve the pain but stave off the cancer.  Makes sense too that a vitamin deficiency would create pain in the body...a quart low of oil in a car grinds the engine to a halt. I continue to take both.  They helped to keep me on the AI for 3.5 years.  But when the day came for me to resume my dosage after this third mini vacation from it....I said "No more".  That was April 2009.

    I worry every day after that decision.  My yearly check up recently--so far NED.  The fact that we had a diagnosis of cancer I think means that we'll be concerned every day of the recurrence of cancer.  That's natural and is part of the decision when I stopped the medication.  That tug of war endures.  

    If you know nothing else, know this:  that you touch our hearts with your agony and you are never alone....or crazy for speaking up about your pain.  It is real.  Many of us know it.  I'm happy for those who do not.

    "Never run faster than your guardian angel can fly"

    Marilyn   

  • lava
    lava Member Posts: 50
    edited April 2010

    Marilyn, VERY well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I'm in total agreement.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    I guess that I am thinking on the same line as Jo. People posting here have had great difficulty with Arimidex, but I would hate to have a newcomer think that such severe SE are the norm, and  be to scared give it a try with an open mind, as Al's are an estrogen positive women's most effective weapon against reoccurence.

  • nmi
    nmi Member Posts: 180
    edited April 2010

    Question: Is there a difference between recurrence and having a second bc dx'd? If so, does Arimidex protect against both?

  • shorfi
    shorfi Member Posts: 791
    edited April 2010

    JO-5...Yes, I have decided to stop. I need to feel comfortable that I will still be followed up by my medical and surgical oncologists. Could be my imagination...but it seemsUndecided like I feel better????

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited April 2010

    sas-schatzi - I am sorry that you had such an awful experience - and thank you for sharing.  Checking each and every time any new drug is added to any treatment regime - over the counter or prescription - both the doc and the pharmacist should run the interaction reports as part of the routine. 

    And it is true with all the AL's - there are some that have such horrid reactions and they really don't know why.  I am just thankful that has not been the case with me so far. 

    I wish you the best and I did not mean to offend by indicating that the se's are better than the alternative - you were not experiencing se's - when pain is intolerable, something is horribly wrong and immediate intervention by the doc is needed.  I am stunned that no one thought to check for interactions - and I hope you will be able to gain some sense of your old self soon. 

    Hugs

    Sharon

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