Starting Chemo in June 2005

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  • 2frogs1princess
    2frogs1princess Member Posts: 120
    edited August 2005
    Brenda-I'm planning a party too, but it won't be until fall next year, when I'm done with Herceptin. It's gonna a be a celebration for one year out and a thank-you to all the wonderful people in my life that have gone above and beyond their abilities to make my struggle a little easier. Fall has always been my favorite time of the year so a big bonfire/weiner roast is in the making!
    My 5 year old is in his "first memories" time frame and I sure don't want them to be about mommy being sick. So we've been trying to make some fun memories for him too. So I say good riddance to parts of 2005, but not all.
  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited August 2005
    I want this summer over but I also want to try to have many "mini" celebrations this fall and winter. I feel like the last four months have been so sad.
    I don't want the rest of my life to be that way.
    I called the surgeon today and he said the port will come out in Nov. I wanted it out before radiation.
    I guess there is not rushing this process along.
    I had to throw out a painting today. I could hardly see what I was doing.It was a mess.
    maybe tomorrow will be better. At least I will be off steroids again.
  • dmc
    dmc Member Posts: 2
    edited August 2005

    Hi everyone. First time on site. Started chemo (herceptin and zometa) for met bc. Have had lump, mast, and now tumor on spine and ribs. Second time on chemo first one was taxol and herceptin. Other than being tired and having flu like symptoms I have encountered some neuro damage (numbness) in my fingers on the left hand, especially the pinky. Has anyone else encountered this problem? They say that maybe B6 would help. Enjoyed the site. I will be back.

  • 2frogs1princess
    2frogs1princess Member Posts: 120
    edited August 2005
    Welcome dmc! Sorry you had to join us here, but glad you'll have a good support system. What part of Illinois are you from? I'm from central Illinois. I take Taxol/Herceptin #2 on Friday and no, haven't experienced your symptoms yet, but I have read that happening to other women on here. Good luck to you.
    ~Mindy~
  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited August 2005

    Jo, I tried to throw some pots today, and I just felt like a complete klutz. I don't have any numbness in my hands, just felt like hands were being uncooperative. I threw several pieces away, then gave up and went out and worked in the yard. To tell you the truth, I don't think I can blame today's ineptness on taxol, just a clumsy day. I'm taking DS out to buy new career clothes this aafternoon. He's got an interview on Thursday, and he's lost a ton of weight since Christmas. Man, he's looking buff! Makes Mama proud!

  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited August 2005
    Had some nasty joint and bone pain since Sunday night. Stayed home from work yesterday, but went in today cause I was getting too claustrophobic staying in the house!

    Got some good news! Granddaughter (2) is coming to visit in December...something else to look forward to!

    Liz
  • dmc
    dmc Member Posts: 2
    edited August 2005

    Hi Mindy. Thanks for responding to my post. I am from Kankakee, it's just 60 miles south of Chicago. I did get a second opinion on this 4th bout with cancer at Rush in Chicago a lot of great people there. I have started taking B6 as recommended by my onc, hope it helps. Looking forward to hearing from others on the site who have had some similar challanges. Have a great day!

  • RebeccaH
    RebeccaH Member Posts: 72
    edited August 2005
    For those gals who've had more than one taxol...are you finding the same side effects are just cumulative with each treatment? I'm having numbness in my feet--a week after #1 taxol. Will #2 make the numbness more numb? OK...that was a stupid worded question...but I think you guys get it.

    I have this fear in the back of my mind that my onc may want to switch me to once a week treatment. I gagged when they gave me dexamethasone last time...I call it mind nausea--didn't feel nausea, but my mind is just sick of that drug. I don't think I can do it if I have to go every week.

    My mom left this morning...what a relief. I've decided I just can't handle a 78 yo. She cried at my treatment...then asked me what would the next treatment be like. Duh...the same as the last one. Which I've told her a million times. At least she saw that I wasn't dying.

    I think the achiness of taxol was weird. It started from my neck to my elbows. The next day, neck and shoulders were better, but my thighs hurt. Then, my shins and feet.
    I was wondering where it was going to go next. I figured it out pretty quickly--it just settled in my feet.

    OMG, though...my fingernails are still attached!

    Jo--you should have saved the painting. Someone may have loved abstract art!
  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited August 2005

    Rebecca, taxol #2 was much better for me than #1, BUT, my onc recommended I take the dex. by mouth to abate the pain. It worked, but if you hate the dex, you may prefer the pain. It worked much better than Advil. I started on day 3, two pills in the am, day 4 2 pills, then one each day for two days. It didn't make me so jumpy taking them first thing. I was dubious about using them for the pain, but they really helped a lot. Pain was much the same for me as you describe, mostly going to my thighs, shins, and feet. Sort of like an electric shock to the bone, really, really weird and bothersome. Good luck, I have #3 on Friday, moved up from next Monday because of the holiday. but I get to feel crappy for the weekend, which is predicted to be gorgeous here in Cleveland.

  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited August 2005
    Taxol number three hit me with a vengence yesterday.
    I couldn't shake the pain and without steroids had no energy and couldn't rest .
    I was in tears by four in the afternoon.
    Even my stomach was in turmoil.
    It was a mess of a day. finally at six I took two ativan and tried to rest. It took two hours for my system to cooperate.
    I just hated yesterday.
    I don't know that today will be any better.
    At least my expectations are low.
    I just have to get through the day somehow.
    I really hate taxol.
    It is insidious. It sneaks up on you and pounces.
  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited August 2005

    Poor Jo, I too hate Taxol. But #2 was better than #1, so I'm hoping 3 & 4 will be ok. The pain is so insidious, it's deep, and electric, and you can't dull it away because of the very nature of it. I did find that the diminishing dose of dex. helped me to deal with it a lot. Have you tried it? 2 pills for two days, then one for two days, then 1/2 for two days, is what my onc recommended. I didn't do the full regime, though, after I got through days 3 and 4 it was pretty manageable. But, this is worth a try - I hate the antsy feeling of the dex. and was very hesitant to try this, but believe me, next tx I'm on it pre-emptively!

  • Jenster
    Jenster Member Posts: 267
    edited August 2005
    I'm so sorry, Jo. I hope and pray today is much better for you.

    Jennifer
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited August 2005
    My first taxotere was on Thursday. Pain started Sunday night and lasted pretty much through this morning. Does it come back again, or am I done for this round...really hope it's gone until next tx...it is nasty stuff.

    Liz
  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited September 2005
    Day six is the day I feel the most pain. Yesterday was a big improvement.
    I hope today ...I can do some small tasks. I keep telling myself...one more to go.
  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited September 2005
    I'm pretty much on the same discomfort schedule as AC - that is, days 3 and 4 are the worst. It's just altogether different. For me, the fatigue has been the hardest to deal with overall (even though I might say differently during days 3 and 4). Are all of you ladies doing radiation afterward? I have to admit, I'm scared to death of the skin effects. For me, a burn is just the worst kind of pain, and I'm afraid I'll get a bad one.

    And, where is everybody?
  • Jenster
    Jenster Member Posts: 267
    edited September 2005
    I seem to be the same way, Brenda. I had #1 on Friday and Monday I couldn't get out of bed. Took the kids to school, came home and climbed back in. I think part of my problem was a little depression, too. DH left that morning to go back up to PA - I'm getting really tired of it. But mostly I was so fatigued - unlike I've been for a long while.

    The achiness hasn't been too horrible yet. Uncomfortable, but not unbearable. I'm hoping I'm sort of past that stage now.

    I'm very thankful that I'm not doing radiation when this is over.

    Here's a couple funny side effects. For the last three days I've woken up with a slightly swollen and coated tongue. The coating goes away after a little bit and the swelling goes down, but it's all ruffled on the edges where it's pressed against my teeth all night. Not a bad side effect - just wierd.

    And today I woke up and my palms and bottoms of my feet are a little itchy. Uh-oh. Could this be the dreaded rash?? Gosh, I hope not! But if it is, it is. This too shall pass. Not quite quick enough, but it will pass.

    On a happy note, my last treatment is October 27th (8 weeks from today - but who's counting??). My 40th birthday is November 19 - three weeks after. I found out last night that my husband has made arrangements with my parents to watch the kids that weekend and he's taking me away. He won't tell me where, though. So I guess that will be my NMBT celebration (No More Blasted Treatment). Yay for me!!

    I'm off to get my blood count. I don't know why they bother drawing my blood. I can tell them my WBC and neutraphils are low so I'll be on antibiotics for a week and my RBCs and all that go with it are starting to drop, too.
  • Watson
    Watson Member Posts: 1,490
    edited September 2005
    I'm here!
    I read posts almost everyday, just have nothing much to say. I go for last AC today. Woo hoo! 1/2 the way done with chemo.
    AC hasn't been that bad for me. (knock on wood) I'm not saying it's been fun, but nothing too bad. It's my personal belief that if you don't dwell on every side effect and keep busy, you'll have a better mental attitude.
    You can't expect to feel 100% with all this crap being pumped in!
    That being said, I know I've been fortunate in not having a hard time with AC like some are. Taxotere is around the corner and who knows what that will bring!

    Brenda, I've got rads to look forward to probably after the 1st of the year. Most people don't get burned so I'm clinging to that.
    Maybe I"m just optimistic but it's got me through this fine so far!

    Peace JuneBugs!
  • RebeccaH
    RebeccaH Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2005
    Thanks for all the input for future taxol treatments. I just can't wait to feel somewhat normal again. As far as the dex. is concerned. My problem with gagging is strictly a mind thing. When I "think" about A/C, I get the same feeling. When I took the 10 pills of dex the night before, I almost had the same feeling. I was waiting for that 'ants in the pants' feeling. Thankfully, it didn't happen.

    My numb feet are starting to feel a little better. I'm sure they'll be feeling great....and then I'll get blessed with another treatment.
  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited September 2005
    Oh my Sweet Junesterettes!
    My heart aches to hear you are hurting so and having such a rough time with Taxol. Remember- if one type of taxane bothers you too much you can switch to another- like Taxotere to Taxol and visa versa.

    Some thoughts....
    Ask about taking the steroids all the way through= a lower dose might help take the edge off...
    Ask about Toradol- it is a fantastic non narcotic MEGA anti-inflammatory- it got me through my spine surgery - I can't take narcotics so it was pretty rough until I found Toradol...
    Ask about VALIUM- it is a muscle relaxer AND tranquilizer. A combo of that and the Decadron might get you through in one piece...they prescribe valium for severe back injuries...
    Ask about Skelaxin- a non dopey, non narcotic muscle relaxer... it may help...
    Ask about Glutamin or Glucosamin (sp?) powder supplements that you can mix with juice- I know it has helped a lot of girls...
    Also on the natural front: Bromelaine is a wonderful anti-inflammatory made from Papya and pineapple and Arnica tablets under the tongue several times a day keep severe body aches away.

    I wish I could help you more. I am sorry for the pain. It is almost over- with each one you have one less... but it is hard to think about that when you are hurting.

    Big gentle (((Hugs)))
  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited September 2005

    I made pottery all afternoon! I have Taxol tomorrow, and I really wanted to get some work done, plus it helps to stay busy beforehand so not to spend so much creative energy dreading it. After tomorrow, only one more (then rads)! I have so much work to do - I need to make beer this weekend, and then have shows both of the following weekends. And I can barely get myself up the stairs without a rest! I'm debating whether I'm going to Jazzercise tonight, but I need to decide like now. It's been two full weeks, and I prepay by the month, can't bear to waste the money. Maybe I will go and do a very low intensity workout, like just see if I can stay vertical for an hour - LOL.

  • Jenster
    Jenster Member Posts: 267
    edited September 2005
    My day has been crappy. First, my WBC was very low so I got Neupagen today and I have to go back for shots the next four days.

    Second, the sides of my tongue and my cheeks are all funky, making it hard for me to talk (not that my family minds terribly) and eat.

    But the worst is that my son is in the Junior High Band and they had their first football game tonight. I'm too achy to sit in stands and I really don't need to be around all those people anyway. AND it's hot and miserable here. So my daughter and I parked on the street as close to the stadium as possible so I could just hear the band and imagine watching him. How pitiful is that?? We could hardly hear a thing, either. My husband is stuck working in PA and I'm the woman in the bubble. I feel horrible that my son didn't have either of his parents there for his first night in the Junior High Band. In fact, I think this is the worst thing to happen since this crappy mess began in May!

    That settles it. As soon as I pick him up and get both kids into bed, I'm going to have myself a pity party!
  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited September 2005
    Ah, Jen, my heart goes out to you. Again and again I've told my DH that I don't know how anyone does this without a partner to take care of them, but how you're managing with kids is beyond me. I hope you have some other family around to help.

    I hate dexamethasone! I had my pre-chemo dose today and sleep just won't come tonight. It's nearly 2 and I went to bed at 10:30, after drinking most of a bottle of wine and two sleeping pills. I was hoping for company here, but I guess everyone is in dreamland (I hope).

    We Dana, Watson, Kim, and Minerva go for treatment this week, and Mindy and I both go tomorrow. Hope everyone is doing well. I believe it was to be Dana's last treatment - wasn't she first to start? Jo finishes next week, I know. Hallelujah, the end is in sight!

    I've been looking on line for rental cottages along the coast of Maine. I found one that's adorable, looks like it's about a hundred years old, and the owner says the water comes right up to the deck at high tide. Trouble is, the biggest bed is a double, and DH and I are both on the stout side. So he has to decide if he can sleep in about 15" of space, since I tend to fling arms and legs wherever I can.
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited September 2005
    Jen...that must have been really hard for you. You have been doing a fantastic job of juggling all that is on your plate. I'm sure your son understood and it sounds like they are great children. I think just having you as a Mom makes up for a lot of the things that have to be while you are going through this.

    Went for blood work yesterday...white counts good, but platelets low. Got a prescription for the "Merry Mouthwash" and my mouth feels better already. Also got a prescription for sleeping pills...cracks me up...the warning label says "may cause drowsiness". I actually got a decent night's sleep last night. Joint paint has been minimal and Advil works for it. I'm really hoping for a little energy over this 3 day weekend...would be nice to feel like a normal person for a couple of days!

    Good luck to all that had treatment this week. I have two weeks of freedom before # 2.

    Liz
  • Watson
    Watson Member Posts: 1,490
    edited September 2005
    Junebugs,
    Finally done with last AC! Of course most of you are finishing with ALL your chemo, but I'll get there.

    Brenda, did you go to Jazzercise? That sounds ambitious. I think I would have just made peace with the fact I was losing that $$. LOL And as for the Maine cottage, bring a blow up mattress and flip for the bed.
    When you wake up out of your wine/sleeping pill combo, let us know how you're doing!

    Jen,
    That had to be have been an awful feeling for you. Just make a big fuss over him and he'll be okay. It's harder on you than it is for him. Could you maybe have a parent video tape for you? You know some of the parents are taping it and wouldn't mind zooming in on him a few times and giving you a copy. That way Dad can keep up as well.

    Pam,
    Thanks for the lunch again! Pam just finished up with taxotere and starts FAC next week. We sort of have flip flopped treatments and have been a good source of info for each other. Not to mention good company. Not only are we both surviving chemo, but sending kids to college as well!
  • JoMac
    JoMac Member Posts: 192
    edited September 2005
    Jen , you hit on the really painful thing.....
    My daughter left for college on Sun. and although that was hard I didn't really get sad until she called later in the day in distress.
    It is the awful feeling of not being able to be there for my child. I feel inadequate....I never know how weak I will feel or wether or not I am really engaged in her concerns or am I busy chasing side effects and managing my own treatment.
    I just don't feel like a Mom on top of her game.
    I have spoken to her on the phone and things sound a bit better.
    I keep thinking if I didn't have cancer everything would be
    "do-able".
    These last few days I have been unable to see very well at all. My eyes are full of glue.
    I suppose I have it much better than the people in the hurricane zones.
    There is so much pain to obsorb....I can't watch T.V. for long without feeling huge amounts of pain.
    My last Taxol is Weds. I want that day to come quickly.
    My mother left for the winter months so the next month will be more of a challenge.
    I have to believe I can do it since I have come this far.
    Hope you are all coping better.
  • NancyM
    NancyM Member Posts: 289
    edited September 2005
    Hi everyone,

    Just checking in before I leave for work - I am feeling grateful this morning for everything I have and wish I could do something for the hurricane victims. It puts chemo into perspective, that's for sure. I know I'm going to be feeling lousy this weekend after the Taxol and Neulasta pains kick in, but I'll be feeling blessed that I'll be safe in my home when it happens. I hope you all have a wonderful weekend and I'll be thinking of you!
  • Jenster
    Jenster Member Posts: 267
    edited September 2005
    Just got back from my Neupagen shot. I have the lovely thrush. The nurse has called in the prescription for the Magic Mouthwash and if that doesn't take care of it she'll call in Diflucan. Yea.

    Brenda - I'm sure I'll look back at this time in my life and wonder how I managed without my husband here. But I do have my parents nearby and an incredible church family and friends. I really don't know what I would have done without them!

    Liz - such nice words! He assured me last night that it was okay and that he'd rather have me miss his games and have me healthy. He expects me at every one next year, though. lol.

    Watson - I do have a friend who will tape the performances for me. I just waited too late last night - I kept thinking I was going to go anyway - but realized that would be stupid. I'm hoping I'll be able to make the majority of the games and be able to tape him myself for DH.

    JoMac - you said you "don't feel like a mom on top of her game." That's it! It's a horrible feeling. But thankfully our kids (even mine at 10 and 13) are old enough to understand why. I'm very thankful for that and my heart really goes out to the moms with the younger children who can't quite grasp what's wrong with mommy.

    On another note - I live in a community not too far from Little Rock, Arkansas. We have tons of Louisiana refugees here and I'm amazed at the way the community has come together for them. Serving meals, bringing clothing and diapers and all that sort of thing. Several of the big churches have worked out a schedule to open up their buildings for some type of recreation during the day for these people. Several families have already registered their children in our schools and are now looking for work - they've lost everything in LA so they're going to set down their roots here. I've either worked from my home or been a homemaker for the last 10 years and I want so much to go and help these people. Serve them meals. Play with their kids. Do whatever I can - selfishly to make myself feel better about everything that's going on. But I can't. At least not this week. I guess I'll just continue to pray for these people and give where I can.
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited September 2005
    Watching all those poor people on the Gulf Coast breaks my heart. Can you just imagine being a chemo patient and losing everything you have? Not being able to go for treatment because your center is demolished or has no water or power? May of those who couldn't evacuate are elderly, ill or very young children. No food, water, shelter or plumbing has to be totally demoralizing. I am amazed at the spirit of some of those I have seen on TV. I just hope the relief effort catches up to the extraordinary needs of these poor people.

    Liz
  • danahollis
    danahollis Member Posts: 161
    edited September 2005
    Hi June Chicks!

    I hope that today finds you all feeling ok. I so worry about each of you and pray that these tough times will be a distant memory VERY soon!

    My heart is also breaking for the Hurricane victims. We live in the BEST country in the world and yet we cannot get them the help they need quick enough. It truly saddens me.

    I found out today that my mom might have breast cancer. She's 55... her doctor said given my diagnosis... she has a 20% chance of having "Papilloma Carcinoma." I think it may be a precancerous condition that can lead to invasive cancer...Not to sure though... I'm going to look it up. I sure hope that she doesn't have it. My mom has been through so much. She has/had Hepatitis C... I think it was and had to have Interferon treatments... it's a type of chemo that they use for Skin Cnacer also. Yikes... I hope she's in the 80% chance that it isn't so! Say a prayer for my mom!

    OK... I HATE the HOT FLASHES!!!!!!!!! My Oncologist said that there are some non-hormonal treatments we can try after I'm done with chemo... he doesn't want to mess around with too many drugs right now. One cocktail at a time!

    I had my consultation with my Radiation Oncologist after my chemo on Wednesday. (Oh yeah... that was Taxol number 3... I only have one more left!!!!!) (Insert picture of bald girl grinning from EAR to EAR!!!!!!) He was really nice. I have my appt to get all ready to start the radiation an hour after my last chemo. He mention that I'd get about 3 tattoos. He said that I'll be able to get started right away on my 6 weeks of Rads so I'm excited about that. As sson as they are scheduled I can schedule my Hysterectomy. I'm so EXCITED to get all my "stuff" done with. I want to be healthy again and have all this over with.

    Taxol has been treating me pretty well. I've had some side effects but so far they go away rather quickly and haven't lasted from treatment to treatment. I feel "lucky" about that. I know some of you are having a hard time... but it will get better. I JUST KNOW IT!!!!

    Anyhow, I hope you all have a great holiday weekend.

    HUGs to you all!
  • RebeccaH
    RebeccaH Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2005
    As a native Mississippian, my heart just breaks for the folks on the coast. I lived in Guam for 2 years, and lived through a cat 5 typhoon, and boarded up for two other typhoons. I've lived without electricity for 13 days in the heat and humidity that mimics that of the south. I long to be healthy to help. I called my church looking for a way to help, but to no avail. I called Red Cross, too. I may feel like s*%t everyone other week, but I just hate sitting around on the good week watching so much need and feeling so stinking helpless.

    Nancy...after KUTV's fund raiser for the relief efforts--raising over $641K in just one day...it just touches my heart the generousity of Utahns. I'm sure other states are doing similiar things, but it just me proud to live here.

    One of the girls who works in the onc office hasn't heard from her father in NO.

    It saddens me to think that there are bc patients whose treatment will be postponed for God knows how long. It's bad enough to be dealing with cancer, but not knowing treatment will be resumed is horrible. Of course, assuming they still have a house to live in.

    Just need to say a lot of prayers for a lot or things, people, etc. Looking for a brighter tomorrow...

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