Overall satisfaction after radiation

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June2268
June2268 Member Posts: 1,202
Hi ladies just wondering...... I know in the beginning of this hell we all started that so many of us had reservations about radiation.  Do any of you regret your choice to do radiation and was the outcome as bad as some might expect.  Long term side effects or size change at all......any info you can share as I am sure alot of women would like some reassurance.... I am looking for both positive feedback as well as the negative.....THANK YOU!
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2010

    I had radiation in September 2009, so not that long ago.  My radiologist and the techs told me that I had a more severe response than most - even though I used the gel, and folllowed all of their suggestions.  At the very end that breast was severely burned, and a deep burgundy color. Honestly, it was very painful. My neighbor was going thru radiation at the same time - no where near the reaction and ony mildly uncomfortable.

    Now the burn  is hardly noticable.  I was amazed at now fast it faded - the skin is still a bit darker, but within the next week (as it peeled in thick pieces - yuck) it felt better.

    I think it is too early to know if I have any long term side effects, but at this point I haven't, and am happy that I completed all treatment recommended, and am DONE! (of course taking femera as chemo put me into menopause, but that is a different post!).

  • breastcancerbites
    breastcancerbites Member Posts: 6
    edited March 2010

    Okay, so I'm only 2 weeks out from my last radiation, so maybe I'm not the person you're looking to hear from.  However, I did want to tell you that my skin and breast really look pretty good!  Now I didn't burn horribly--no peeling or blistering (except small blister on nipple--ouch!)  Already the redness is almost completely gone and I have very little pain.   A little sore, but nothing that keeps me up at night or keeps me from normal life.  And my breast size hasn't changed at all--it really does look pretty much like my other one, except for the scar. 

    So far, no regrets!  It's early and only time will tell, I guess.  We go into these things knowing there can be serious risks--but for me the risk of my cancer returning was much more scary.  Hopefully some others who are farther out will respond with their experience.  Good luck!

  • msmpatty
    msmpatty Member Posts: 818
    edited March 2010

    June2268,

    I really had second thoughts about radiation and totally dreaded the start of treatment.  I only have two treatments left and can now say I have absolutely no regrets.   The treatments themselves are quick, painless and complete "non-events".   The techs and staff are warm and supportive.   Although I have a wierdly box-shaped tan over my affected breast, it is not painful and my skin is doing fine.   Only time will tell on the long term effects, but being confident that I've done everything I can to irradicate every errant cancer cell around the original tumor site is priceless!

    Patty

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited March 2010

    25 rounds and 5 boosts in 2007. At the time my breast was just red and hot, no blistering (use the oinment religiously from the start, don't wait until you have a problem). Today my boob looks and feels fine. Absolutely no regrets; as it was part of the 'do everything possible so that I never have to play this game again' plan. Best of Luck! Ruth

  • CTMOM1234
    CTMOM1234 Member Posts: 633
    edited March 2010

    My breast surgeon only gave me 2 options: mastectomy or lumpectomy with radiation, so once I made the decision to go the later route, I decided that there was no point in fighting the radiation (which scared the %$^& out of me, especially because it is the left breast, but truthfully, all of this has been very scary). Whatever decision you make, have no regrets! I'm only in my 40s, and if I do have a reoccurence in this breast down the road, radiation is a one-time thing, so will/would be faced with the first option and reconstruction post.rads, which has some slight limitations.

     Today will be #17 of 33 and I do have itchiness, redness, peeling and a little fatigue, but it is all manageable. My breast is still here, and I love it more now than ever.

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited March 2010

    Radiation damaged the breast so much that it started rotting from the inside out, very painful, sick all the time, hospitalized for 8 days once, weeks of IV antiobiotics and hyperbaric treatments, finally had to have a mastectomy anyway.  Stupidest decision I ever made.  My entire chest from neck to waist got irradiated and is discolored and ugly now.  I also have lung damage and probably heart damage, too.  I did everything they told me to do (which wasn't much, put on aloe 3 x day and make sure to put it on just before each treatment, drink extra water, eat extra protein) but the rad onc said I must not have been following instructions or I wouldn't have gotten so badly burned or had so much pain. The fatigue during treatment and for 3 months afterwards was debilitating.  I couldn't do anything except feed the dog and drive myself back and forth to treatment.  I'm still trying to figure out what I did and wasn't supposed to or didn't do that I was supposed to do. 

  • Sparrow
    Sparrow Member Posts: 262
    edited March 2010

    Everyone responds differently to rads.  I had 25 txs, no boosts,  and other than the usual bad 'sunburn' and fatigue I had no problems.  It's now 3 1/2 months since my last treatment and honestly, aside from the weird tan I can't tell a difference in between my radiated and non-radiated breasts.  The radiated one feels the same and is the same size as before. 

    Most of my tan went away quickly, just the edges of the field have a light tan now. By the end I was dark pink/red on the breast itself and dark brown under my arm and in the fold underneath the breast. I am very pale, BTW, so I was pleasantly surprised.

    NativeMainer, I am so sorry and angry at your rad onc!!!  That is just unacceptable!  I have a very hard time believing that anything you did or didn't do caused that damage.  It sounds like a lame attempt at CYA language.  Don't blame yourself!!! 

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited March 2010

    Poor Native; you either had a very rare and terrible reaction, or they really screwed up!!!!!!! I think for most people, if the choice is lumpectomy and rads or MX, the first is the way to go. When I read about all the extended surgeries and problems a lot of the reconstruction gals go through, I am really glad I had this option.

  • CTMOM1234
    CTMOM1234 Member Posts: 633
    edited March 2010

    Your situation sounds awful Native and what troubled me was that you wrote "I did everything they told me to do (which wasn't much, put on aloe 3 x day and make sure to put it on just before each treatment."

    I was explicitly told to NOT put aloe on at all unless it was 100% pure and contained no alcohol (which I never could find so I just use the Biafine lotion they give me) AND I was told to NOT put ANY lotion/cream/biafine within 4 hours of treatment. It is my understanding that when one puts aloe/lotion/cream/biafine on their skin "just before each treatment" as you'd written, it can/will amplify the treatment to the skin . . . like when one puts baby oil on their skin and then lies outside to get a good suntan/sunburn.

    I also really wanted to reassure those reading this, because if I'd seen "rotting from the inside out" it would have probably scared me away from lumpectomy w/ rads and into mastectomy. I agree with ruthbru that if the choice is lumpectomy w/ rads or MX, the first for most of us is the preference (and I'm getting zapped with #18 in only a few hours).

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited March 2010

    June...I had no issues at all...33 rads, 7 of them boosts, the facility was fine, the personnel wonderful, hardly ever had to to wait, was in and out in minutes...much better than chemo! 

    Ok..was a little sore at the end but went braless on a trip to the beach...I think the sea air healed me quickly!  Oh..and I'm 6 months out from rads...no side effects at all...you can't even tell I had rads except for one tiny little tattoo and  I feel fine.

    I'm so sorry NativeMainer...!  I can't believe they told you to put aloe on before each zap either!  That is just so wrong!

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited March 2010

    Never put anything on At ALL BEFORE the zap, not even in the morning and your appointment isn't until 4pm. Put stuff on right after (I brought a tube with me to the clinic and slathered it on before I left the dressing room) and before you go to bed. If that's what they told you, Native, that's what intensified the burn, and you need to call where ever you had this done and make sure they are not giving other people the same advice!!!!!!!!!!!

  • vahtx68
    vahtx68 Member Posts: 1
    edited April 2010

    I was diagnosed in June of 2007 with Stage 1 Breast Cancer in the right upper breast. I found a lump in my chest wall actually. It was at the very top of the breast. I had very good doctors and a very good radiology team. I was treated at a teaching hospital, so some times there were many "Doctors" and or "Radiologists" in the room. Being shy was not an option here. :-) I had 7 weeks of radiation and four days of what they call "bursts" which were set directly on the lumpectomy site. The underside of my breast took the brunt of the radiaiton. I did not even know that it would be affected until it became raw and red. I tried the creams they gave me and that did not work. They offered these gel pads to me and they were really cool to the touch and I felt a lot better as the burning was gone. Every day that I went to radiation I asked for more and more and that helped me to get through it. Healing time was quick after treatment ended. It has been almost three years since all started. I still have discoloartion under the breast and at the incision site, but it is slowly fading. I have recently returned to the hospital where I was treated and was given a clean bill of health. I am currently looking into having a breast reduction, but the specialist tells me that there could be complications after the surgery because of the radiation I received. I was wondering if there was anyone who has had something like this done after receiving radiation and how their healing process went: complications or no complications? I could really use some advice here. Sincerely, V.

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited April 2010

    Where I got rads they tell everyone to use aloe, and don't give out or precribe anything else until the burns open up and start draining, then they prescribe silvadene cream.  They did tell me not to put that on before the treatments but to keep on putting aloe on right before each treatment.  I can tell you that hurt like h@$$, putting that stuff on the open bleeding burns.  Some days I got 3 zaps from 3 directions, somedays I got it from 2 directions.  Sometimes they called me by another name as I was leaving.  I know they screwed up, but I can't get a lawyer to take the case because my chart is "perfect."  But, since they've moved to a fancy new center in another town since my treatment finished there's no way to really investigate what happened to me.  One lawyer did say that I was not the only woman with bc who got rads there to look into filing a lawsuit for similar complaints. . .

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    OMG, that is seriously and absolutely criminal; can these other ladies be found? Do you know if they are giving the same advice? If a lawsuit is out the questions,  can you file a complain with your state health department? At least they would be investigated then. ARGH! 

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited April 2010

    Again..that is not right...YOU have been through too much with a cancer diagnosis to have the treatments make it WORSE,.,they are supposed to help you for gosh sakes...you are paying them for a service..you are the customer..not them...

    I see a lawsuit...

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited April 2010

    I can't get anyone to take on my case as a lawsuit because the record is so perfect.  The techs working when I got treatment are no longer working there.  I have made 2 complaint reports to the Joint Commission, filed a complaint with the Licensing Division of the DHS which got them a surprise insepction, have a complaint filed against the rad onc with the state medical board, and most recently contacted the regional  Civil Liberties Union who is also going to investigate them.  The statue of limitations runs out for a lawsuit this summer, so I've got to accept that nothing will be done that way, but I do know enough about the system to make life miserable for them for a while.  The biggest problem is that I was an employee of the system at the time, and the health insurance was a "self funded" one, so the usual insurance rules don't apply.  I am refusing to pay the last $1000 that they billed me (not billing through the 3rd party company was a "simple oversight" as was not paying me my vacation time until 3 months after I was terminated when FMLA ran out).  Of course, not paying is hurting me more than them since they've sent it to 2 collection agencies, but it's the principle of the thing that keeps me going. 

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    Good for you for fighting the system! Hopefully it will have saved other women from the same negligence!

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited April 2010

    That's part of what keeps me going.  There is at least one other woman out there who got MY treatments when I got hers, maybe even more than one since they called me by 2 or 3 names other than my own.  I'm hoping that my fussing will result in those women being identified and warned.  I'll never know for sure, but I can hope.  And the Rad Onc's refusal to write down any answers to my questions has brought out the b!$@# in me. 

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited April 2010

    NativeMariner: I'm so sorry you went through all that. One interesting thing about my radiation clinic over here is that they took my photo when I went for the planning session. Now that would have avoided you being mixed up with other patients. I know it's no help to you now, but I thought it's a really good idea, pity it's not standard practice.

    Sue

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    They took my picture too before starting radiation, so I think it must depend on the qualtiy of your clinic (and I, apparently, was lucky!).

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited April 2010

    They took my picture too!  It was a horrible picture!

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    Driver's license quality?

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited April 2010

    They took my picture too.  And pics of me laying on the table, and where the tattoos are etc etc etc.

    Native Mainer - I understand why a lawsuit is difficult.  (Has the statute of limitations run yet?)  Have you thought about taking this to the local media, or is that just not something you'd want to do, for privacy reasons, etc. 

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited April 2010

    I've thought about going to the media, but I won't do that until after the statute of limitations runs out in July.  I still hope to fine a lawyer that will take the case. And they did take my picture, too, after I'd been crying for hours during the simulation/CT horror show. They said they have to have a picture on file, but it doesn't go in the chart.  I was too upset at the time to question that. 

  • NatureGrrl
    NatureGrrl Member Posts: 1,367
    edited April 2010

    June, in answer to your question:

    I don't regret my radiation at all. although I'm only a few months out from the end (38 treatments).  I had pretty minimal SE's:  reddness of my skin but no burning, blisters, or peeling.  No significant pain.  Fatigue, but not nearly as bad as chemo!

    I was told to apply aloe vera (plant or gel), and then put something over it like shea butter or Aquaphor to seal in moisture -- but as others have mentioned, only at night or after treatment -- nothing before.  Washing was ok, gently (no scrubbing, washcloths, etc.). 

    It all worked for me.  No size change, the reddness was pretty much all gone after a couple of weeks, and my lumpectomy scar is now fading.  No regrets at all.

    The clinic I went to is fairly new, not very large, and all the techs (there were about 8 of them) knew me by name, along with the receptionists and most of the drs and nurses, so getting mixed up with someone else was never a concern.

    Mainer's experience is frightening and a good lesson, I guess, that we all have to be on top of this stuff all the time.  I'm really sorry she had to go through/is going through all that.  What idiots for techs.  Mainer, a gentle hug.  I hope you get some satifaction from all this!

  • June2268
    June2268 Member Posts: 1,202
    edited April 2010

    I want to say thank you to all the ladies who responded and it is good to know (other than Native Maine) that not any regrets......For you Native Maine, I feel so bad and feel your treatment could have gone better, I sure hope you do something about it so that any other women having to go through this can come out happy......

    I am going for #14 today and the fatigue is setting in midday, but I am not sure if it is period related as I am due real soon or the real thing......I feel like it is too early but I guess I will see......

    Thanks again for all the responses......June

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited April 2010

    I'm only 1/3 thorugh treatment so I'm not in your target group but still wanted to say, Native Maine, I'm so sorry about what happened to you.  Cry  One thought about the media aspect: isn't there a chance that would bring other victims out who might join you in a lawsuit?  Just a thought.

    Like CTMOM1234, I was told not to put anything on before treatment---take a shower, dry off and go. Even when my zapping moves to 11:30am [its been around 8am], I'm to put nothing on my skin after my morning shower but wait until afterwards.  Then I dose with Boiron Calendula creme and some organic corn starch.  Aloe is fine from the plant or if I can find some without alcohol in it.  I picked up some 98% pure stuff from the food coop which has been approved.

    My place also took pictures to make sure that the treatment and the person matched.  The picture is attached to my chart with my zap prescription [I've looked at the photo] and yes, its like one of those drivers license photos! Laughing

  • charmainejensenvoisine
    charmainejensenvoisine Member Posts: 369
    edited April 2010

    Hello Ladies,

    My picture was taken as well at the cancer centre where I had my RADS done.

    I had 16 rounds of radiation done and 5 boosts.  I did end up with a pretty bad burn mostly around the areola of the breasts and the underarm.  The areola/nipple for the past week has been peeling quite a bit and the underarm is still quite red and is just starting to peel.

    The Rad Oncologist first off prescribed me a cortisone cream and I used it for the first week and a half and I thought I was reacting to it, so I complained to him to this affect, and then he prescribed me a Silver Salfadiasine cream and used this for a better part of a week and this I definitely reacted to and stopped and have gone back to the cortisone cream.

    The radiation therapists have been very understanding and compassionate with me, which has made my RADS easy to go thru.

    As for longterm effects, being as it was done on the right side, yes I do worry about effects to the lungs, particularly taking into concern that I do have asthma, but only time will tell.

    I however, hope that the areola/nipple area and some of the burn off to the side of the breast and underarm area will heal over time.  I am only 8 days post radiation therapy.

    Wish the rest of you much luck.   Charmaine

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    It will. You will still be getting radiation effects for 2 weeks after you're done, then you will start to heal.

  • Alcie1
    Alcie1 Member Posts: 68
    edited April 2010

    I wish I had never done the rads.  I was bullied into it and not informed enough to refuse.  The side effects afterwards will be with me all my life.

    I didn't have burning or even redness.  But the radiation was hitting my stomach and caused me to have a low white count that is not going to ever go away.  I got axillary cording from having the lymphatic system that runs down my side getting cooked.  That too is permanent, and painful.  My areola is shrivelled, and the nipple has inverted from fat necrosis.

    A mastectomy wouldn't look any worse.  And all this for a stage 1 lump with an onco score of only 7.

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