I am Stage 1 but the Grade 3 continues to make me nervous

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  • Nicole112
    Nicole112 Member Posts: 327
    edited January 2010

    Hi ladies, yes, I am on Lupron/ Tamox...

    Oka educate me :) What in the world is TM's?

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited January 2010

    Nicole,

    I WAS on Tamox for 18 months, untill I ordered the cy2pd6 test and tested as a POOR METABOLIZER. So the game has changed. Even though poor metabolizers metabolize about 26% of what an extensive meatabolizer would, we don't know if that 26% is going to help keep the cancer away or not. So why take a chance. If I can not take Tamox...the only thing left is an AI.

    And, I just got word from the B.C. Cancer Agency, that they will not cover the cost of Femara even though they have a copy of my cyp2d6 test...because its still experimental and they don't know enough about the test. Im in Canada, and the test is not available up here...yet.

    They also said that Lupron and Tamox the combo has been studied and its very effective...Lupron an an AI, there are still questions. So..they could even stop my Lupron....<sigh>

    The whole situation stinks but you know what? My Lupron was only covered for 3 yrs. That will be July 2011. Then what? Most woman would either just carry on with their Tamox or do an oop and switch to the AI. Well....since I know now the Tamox is basically useless for me...that just leaves me with an ooph.

    I have a good idea about menopause. My period stopped while I was on AC, that was Dec 2007. Its been 2 yrs now, and Im use to things....Im actually glad my decision is made. Ooph it is, the decision came a little sooner than planned but hey...why not get things over with now?

    Im planning no more kids, my BC is ER+, and.......AND Im scared to death of Ovarian Cancer. Seems like a no brainer for Me...~its off to see the ooph wizard...the wonderful wizard of ooph..lol.~

  • Nicole112
    Nicole112 Member Posts: 327
    edited January 2010

    LexiLove-

    Thank you for the information... okay, so I am learning another new concept... cypd6 test... what is this? I love gathering my facts from you ladies, so much easier to understand than the doctors...

    On a positive note, went with the family skiing for the weekend, can I just say how ALIVE I felt on top of the mountain? I challenged myself physically as it felt so good to hurt from true physical exertion versus being physically drained from treatments. I definitely know that I have a new appreciation for the little things and I took it all in., The best part of it all, my 11 year old daughter was snowboarding next to me on one side and my husband on the other! Truly, my BEST day of the year so far and I look forward to many more physical challenges this year! Did I mention, went to the dr and I SWEAR all I am doing is gaining weight, any of you ladies having this issue?

    XOXO

    Nicole

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited January 2010

    Nicole..So happy for you that you had fun time with family. I found this for your question.

    Have a Good Night my friend.

    Sheila

    http://pathlabmed.typepad.com/surgical_pathology_and_la/2009/08/the-role-of-cypd6-inhibitors-with-tamoxifen.html

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited January 2010

    Glad you had a great time skiing!

  • BonoboGirrl
    BonoboGirrl Member Posts: 168
    edited January 2010

    Dear Frosty, My dx also changed. In August my core biopsy indicated DCIS w/ no microinvasion in the left breast (right breast clear), ER+, PR-, HER2 not tested. An MRI, done shortly afterward, didn't reveal anything suspicious or out of line with the above. All the doctors, including my general surgeon, kept telling me that I wouldn't require any chemo/rad and that hormone therapy would be optional since I'd opted for a simple bilateral mastectomy. Had my mastectomy on December 11th, three follow-up appointments with general surgeon, whose clinic dropped the ball with setting my appt. with the oncologist. Finally got an appt. for Jan. 27th, so yesterday was the first time I heard anything about it being invasive, stage II, and that I might need chemo.  (My general surgeon never gave me the path report, wanted me to wait until I saw the oncologist.) So now I'm trying to readjust, like you. 

    To rest of forum: Is anyone familiar with what the standard protocol is for my dx if, for instance, my HRC2 test comes back neg? My oncologist suggests Tamoxifen (of course) as well as chemo if the oncotype comes back intermediate or high risk. If low risk, no chemo. Is that about right or too conservative for my stage and grade?

  • weety
    weety Member Posts: 1,163
    edited January 2010

    Wow Annemarie, that's a big change in your diagnosis.  I'm sorry.  It must have been quite the blow.  I'm not sure what your chemo regimen will look like.  It strongly depends on your HER2 status.  it makes a world of difference in what is recommended.  My tumor was small (7mm) but HER2+ so chemo was a must.  Had it not been HER2+, chemo probably wouldn't have been recommended based on the size and the no lymph node involvement. (But if HER2 negative, the oncotype scores would pretty much help  you decide this.  HER2+ gals don't usually get oncotype testing done, because HER2+ tumors are aggressive already and the oncotype score would be expected to be high.)

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited January 2010

    Nicole,

    The cyp2d6 test is the Tamox metabolizing test.

    http://www.tamoxitest.com/

  • BonoboGirrl
    BonoboGirrl Member Posts: 168
    edited January 2010

    Thanks, Weety911. Yes, it was a blow. A lot of new information to wrap my head around. Thanks for the information. I'll have the results of the HER2 and Oncotypte tests in 3 weeks, along with BRCA test results. Will know more then. 

  • blueberry
    blueberry Member Posts: 2
    edited January 2010

    i am also grade 3,,which is making me wonder what options i will be given..i am er-and pr-..which i do not no much about..i know i will be having radiation,,but will find out more on tuesday..anyone been in my shoes,,and what was recommended to you...

  • Nicole112
    Nicole112 Member Posts: 327
    edited January 2010

    Meece- Where are you? Can you give any advice to blueberry??? Blueberry, good news, Meece has been  in your shoes and she is over 6 years cancer free!!!!

  • carolinachick
    carolinachick Member Posts: 387
    edited January 2010

    Blueberry - Do you know your her-2 status?  If it is negative as well you are considered "triple negative" and chemo will probably be recommended.  TN breast cancer responds well to chemo and while it is aggressive (grade 3), the recurrence rates drops drastically after 5 years.  Feel free to send me a private message if you have any questions.  So sorry that you've had to join this group, but there are many wonderful women who have done this ahead of you and are willing to share their experiences.  Meece is one of them and at six years out from diagnosis, she's an inspiration to those of us who have been diagnosed more recently.

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited February 2010

    Blueberry, CarolinaChick and I are triple negative sisters, I had lumpectomy (the tumor was 1.5 cm, and thankfully had clear margins, SNB 0/16, then chemo and rads.  They squeezed, cut, poisioned, radiated, removed and stomped BC with a big boot!  I whooped BC big time.  If I can do it, it is do-able.  As CarolinaChick mentioned, your HER-2 status will tell you the whole treatment story.  TNs do not have the hormone therapy after chemo or rads.  Like, CarolinaChick, feel free to PM me with any questions.

    Sorry you had to join us under these circumstances.  But you have found a wonderful resource for knowledge and support.  Welcome.

  • Redbarb804
    Redbarb804 Member Posts: 299
    edited April 2010

    Hi Ladies,

    I am new to this BC thing.  I had a lumpectomy on Feb. 25.  I was told I had a 4.5cm tumor. Grade 3 no node involvement.  On March 17 I met with a treatment team at our local hospital.  At that meeting they said the tumor size was 1.5-2.0 cm.  They think the pathologist measured the original biopsy cavity (stereotatic biopsy) instead of just the tumor.  So as of now my diagnoses is Invasive ductal carcinmoa, Stage 1c, grade 3, ER+PR+HER2- with 1 unclear margin.  I have a second opinion set up for April 5 with a surgeon and April 9th with an onogologist.  The doctors i have met so with so far are recommending re-excession, with radiation.  I am opting for chemo because of the unclearness of the size of the tumor.  I am undecided on whether to do the lumpectomy or the bilateral mastectomy.  Can any of you fill me in on why you opted for lumpectomy or mastectomy.  As hard as the waiting has been, I think it is harder trying to decide which surgery to do.   I have been sitting here reading all of your stories and am very thankful to have such a wonderful resource.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    A friend of mine who is a surgerical nurse and 30 year BC survivor told me, "If you have a choice, have a lumpectomy." (which is what I did) It's a less severe of a surgery; which means less chance of complications, shorter recovery time; plus you get to keep your breast, and don't have to face all the further surgeries/pain/recovery of reconstruction or hassles of prothesis wearing. Not everyone has the option of a lumpectomy, so I am very grateful that it was a choice for me. Best of luck! Ruth

  • Redbarb804
    Redbarb804 Member Posts: 299
    edited April 2010

    Thanks Ruth!  Did you have radiation and chemo after your lumpectomy?  Do you worry all the time about the cancer coming back? 

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    Yes, I had chemo and radiation and now am on arimidex. Because of my stage and grade, I would have had to have chemo either way. Your chances of reoccurance with a MX or lumpectomy plus radiation are exactly the same.....so I don't worry about it any more (or less) than if I would have gone the other way. I  read some of the reconstruction threads and am so glad that I don't have to be doing any of that; when I was done with treatment, I was DONE!!

  • Redbarb804
    Redbarb804 Member Posts: 299
    edited April 2010

    Thanks Ruth.  So much to think about. I'm so anxious to meet with the other doctors and get everything started!

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    You are in the very worst part; once you have made the decisions and can get things going it gets easier 'cause at least then you are moving forward. Best of luck! Ruth

  • susan_CNY
    susan_CNY Member Posts: 276
    edited April 2010

    has been about 7 years out for me, was stage 1 grade 3 with possible lymphatic invasion, did lumpectomy and rads, no chemo or tamox, Good luck to you, is such a personal choice.

  • Redbarb804
    Redbarb804 Member Posts: 299
    edited April 2010

    Thanks Susan.  It's nice to hear from people who opted for the lumpectomy and have done fine.  Were you ER+ and PR+?  Did they recommend tamox?  Did you have a choice between the two or did they just say lumpectomy?  Where did you go for treatment? 

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited April 2010

    I also had a lumpectomy and a re excision, followed by chemo and radiation.

    Im ready to celebrate my 5th year Anniversary next week.

    Sheila

  • Redbarb804
    Redbarb804 Member Posts: 299
    edited April 2010

    Thanks Sheila.   I am glad to see so many people who have done the lumpectomy, chemo an rad and haven't had a reocurance.  How bad is the chemo and radiation?  did you have to have neulasta shots?  does everyone get them?  I was just on another site and people were talking about how much they cost and how bad they are.  I appreciate your input.  This is such a confusing time and difficult decision.

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited April 2010

    Yes Redbarb, I got Neulasta shots day after chemo.

    Its not a bad thing, It gave me bone and muscle pain for 2 days especially at night time.

    Since I wasn't aware of that I didn't know why it was happening. Oncologist told me to take some Advil (My choice of pain killer) and it didn't bother me much.

    The cost is very high. When i first started insurance wasn't covering it. I'm talking about almost 5 years ago. Now its a routine injection.

    At the beginning They were giving me the neupejon (sp) shots but i had to go 4-5 days in a row to get the shot. Did the same thing , it was cheaper $800.00 a shotx5=$4000.00

    Neulasta is much more expensive but you only get one dose.

    After the second one Insurance covered it.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    I did 'dose dense' chemo, two weeks apart. When you go two weeks apart instead of three, you need the neulasta shots to kick your white blood cells into production. I'm glad I went this way because:

    1. I wanted to be done, done, done as soon as possible!!!

    2. Having the neulasta shots, I didn't have to really worry about not being able to fight an infection like you need to worry about if you don't have them, that way I felt 'safe' while on chemo to keep working. I teach, and didn't miss any school except the Fridays that I had chemo. The shots didn't give me any horrible side effects, and luckily for me, were covered by my insurance.

    3. chemo was not at all fun, but doable................for me radiation was a piece of cake.

  • Redbarb804
    Redbarb804 Member Posts: 299
    edited April 2010

    Thanks Ruth.  What age kids do you teach.  I also teach and am concerned they won't let me teach because of the germs and fear of infection.  I teach 4 year olds.  My doctor talked about once a month for 4 months.  I might double check to see if they can do the does dense chemo to get it done because after chemo I will have 61/2 weeks of radiation.  Did you give the shots to yourself or at the doctors office?

    Thanks Shiela, I'm pretty sure my insurance will cover my shots.  Of course we just got new insurance in Nov.  due to our old insurance going up 50%  The old insurance we had had no deductable and they paid 100% of everything.  I guess that;s what you get for trying to save money. 

    Did you guys lose your hair when you went through chemo?  I keep hearing that not everyone loses their hair?  I'm not overly concerned about losing my hair I just want to be prepared about how far into chemo you lose your hair so that I'm not caught off guard,  Thank you so much for all your input.  This is all so new and I want to get as much info as I can so that I know I am doing everything I can to get through this as easily as possible.  It;s really tough when you have a 12 and 14 year old at home who have to deal with this too.

  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited April 2010

    I got 4 rounds A/C and 4 rounds Taxol.  Each 2 weeks apart.

    on the 18th day hair started to fall out.

    I know everybody's SE are different. But when it comes loosing the hair I don't know one person who didn't.

    Even with chemo your SE could be minimal to moderate to maximal.

    Radiation went very smoothly. Its just that you have to go every day either 28 days or 30 something.

    Do you know what type of chemo are you getting.?

    Some of them give you more SE.

    Good Luck.

    Sheila

    PS; We have a thread called 'CALLING ALL STAGE ONE SISTERS'

    That thread might help you. Its an active thread.

  • Redbarb804
    Redbarb804 Member Posts: 299
    edited April 2010

    When I went for my treatment team meeting on March 17, the onogoligist talked about AC.  He did say I would lose my hair, but I didn't know if everyone did or not.  I'm pretty sure he said once a month for 4 months, but neither my husband or I wrote down exactly what he said,  We were so blown away after being told the tumor wasn't a 4.5 cm, but a 1.5 -2.0 tumor that we didn't take as good of notes as we should have.  Since then this website has been blessing.  I will check out this other thread.  Thanks

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010
    I did AC also; 4 rounds, two weeks apart with the neulasta shots. I would TELL your oncologist that's what you want if he/she doesn't suggest it. I believe there are some statistics that say that doing it that way improves non-reoccurance rates. I teach middle school special education, so am around plenty of germy kids! I just washed my hands like crazy & with neulasta I wasn't that worried about infection. I did my chemo in the spring, and doing them 2 weeks apart was able to be done early summer, so was able to do the radiation in the summer when I wasn't working, which was good as I live 100 miles away from where I had to go to get zapped! I believe 100% of people who get AC lose their hair, usually about two weeks after the first dose. If you want to get a wig, plan ahead so you have one in place; I got a beautiful one that I could sleep in, swim in, be out in the wind at track meets, football games etc. (it was expensive, but worth it to me, if you are interested I can tell you the brand). My son was a junior in high school at the time, so I know how hard it is on the whole family Frown. Hang in there, you'll all get through this! Ruth
  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2010

    Oh yeah, you go back the next day and they give you the neulasta shot at the clinic.

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