Depression 1 month after mastectomy
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Olivia - what was your vit. D level that made your doc put you on such high levels?? It must have been incredibly low..... At least your doc agreed that this was causing the symptoms and validated your feelings. Sounds like a good doctor!! And wow - two NICE days in a row for your boss- yahoo!!
Greysean - Yes, I was terribly self-conscious when I first went out in public. In fact, I didn't want to go to church at all. I do a lot of music, and am up on the platform - playing my flute in the praise team, playing the piano, or singing. I felt like everyone would be staring at my chest - knowing that i had had a BMX. I waited 5 weeks to go back to church. And as you might remember, I did NOT have reconstruction...and I still don't have my prosthetics!!! I tried to hide my chest behind jackets and scarves and things...and I was so self-conscious....oh my. But you know what??? No one even looked at my chest (that I noticed, anyway). Everyone was just glad I was back
So far, in being back to school, the kids haven't even noticed - and kids WILL say anything. One of my boys did ask me before my surgery if I was getting my "boobs cut off". I ignored his question, but all my students (350+) knew I had cancer. Most knew it was breast cancer, and the others knew I was a "pink ribbon lady". (whether they knew what that was, I don't know...) Anyway, I've usually worn a jacket, but my shirt has been FLAT against me...and not one child has said a thing. I've gotten tons of hugs, and believe me...if someone had noticed anything different, he (and it would be a BOY!!) would have said something.
Of course, I'm tall and thin to begin with....and I wasnt' terribly well endowed and I didn't wear push-up bras to make myself look bigger. I do remind myself, now, though of the young girl gymnists in the Olympics....you know how their chests look so flat? That's what I look like...
Tammy - I love the idea of the Sassy Sisters meeting. That is so perfect!!! Wish we had something like that around here!!
Oh, and greysean, I too find it funny when people tell me, "oh you look so good"....(did I look awful before??)....I think people automatically have this mindset that if you have been diagnosed with cancer, then you look sick, or WILL look sick. They associate cancer will illness and death, and with chemo and radiation. Sometimes I'll quip, oh they just cut off my boobs, not my ears and laugh...other times, I'll just say "thanks", and go on...sometimes, I think people just dont' know what to say because cancer is one of those things that make people feel uncomfortable. you know??
Beck - Hope you've recovered from your shopping spree:)
I worked today.....man, I always forget how tiring a full day at school is! Only nine weeks left to go, but I'm not that anxious for it to end. My oldest son is finishing his freshman year of college (with four weeks left)....he did well his 1st semester, but this 2nd semester something has gone wrong. He THINKS he can get his grades up , but I just don't know. He's not flunking or anything, but it's just not as well as he can do. He was a National Merit Finalist and a valedictorian, so he's capable of so much....sigh. My daughter is a jr. in high school, and I'm not ready for her to be a senior
And my youngest is a 7th grader, and I'm not ready for him to be just one year shy of high school. My babies are growing up.....I want to turn back the clock....
ok...done rambling...time for bed, the mean ole mommy said.....good nite...blessings.robin
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Time has gone fast...can not believe it is April in two days! I like my oncologist, but I think he thinks I am a nut! Well, at the very least, a hypochondriac! LOL I am 5'6 and size 18. In regards to people's reaction to my bmx, I went from an apple shape to a pear shape in 6 hours. A lot of people think I have lost weight...in a way, I guess I did
And Robin, ramble away....it is fun getting to know you girls!
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Time has gone fast...can not believe it is April in two days! I like my oncologist, but I think he thinks I am a nut! Well, at the very least, a hypochondriac! LOL I am 5'6 and size 18. In regards to people's reaction to my bmx, I went from an apple shape to a pear shape in 6 hours. A lot of people think I have lost weight...in a way, I guess I did
And Robin, ramble away....it is fun getting to know you girls! BTW!!!! I tried shopping again for the first time since this posting. It was much better this time: I was able to unload my cart, but I learned my lesson. Had them load the car, and my son unload it for me! What a difference one month makes!
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Olivia,
I am so glad you have found such a wonderful, kind compassionate oncologist. I think that can be just as or even more important that a really wonderful doctor who is cold especially with this disease since it is not only dealing with cancer and life and death but such a physical and emotional disease also.
I hate that the vit. D side effects are so terrible. I also have M.S. which is commonly associated with low vit. D whether it is the cause or whether it continues once you have the disease I don't know. They did check mine and it was a bit low but not bad. However, no I wonder if being on HRT helped to keep the vit. D levels up and now that I'm off whether that is something I'll need to watch.
I so hope you can get some sleep and help with nausea - that is a horrible side effect - I am so sorry. It isn't fair you have to deal with all this and side effects of a vitamin.
To all of you, thank you so much for making me feel better about my worried about going back into the "real world". I think some of it comes from when I broke my nose this past Sept. I tried to keep it quiet as they had a cancellation and I thought it would be pretty quick and easy recovery and no one would even notice. Well, turns out I broke it pretty bad and the recovery took almost 3 weeks and it wasn't too fun. Anyway, I hadn't told a lot of people but I did tell my choir director who I have know both he and his wife since I was 8. Well my first day back all of a sudden he stops rehearsal and says " I'm just so happy to have you back, can I tell everyone what happened to you?" I was stunned so I said oh sure. So he does and I have 50+ people all staring at my nose! Not exactly what I had in mind so in thinking yes he knows what surgery I had so...? Oh lovely - I guess they will all just get to know way more about me that I would ever have hoped.
I hope everyone gets some sleep, seems to be a constant theme and thank you all for being here.
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If I were you Greysean, I would discretely ask the choir director not to call attention to you. Tell him you know that he cares about you, but you would just rather go on as if nothing happen. I am sure he will follow your wishes
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Greysean,
I know LadyOD is right but there are times when people are staring, I want to say, "wanna see"? LOL
Olivia
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ah, man....I had a whole long response going...and I must have hit something wrong, and zap..it was all gone
sigh......
too tired to retype.
maybe tomorrow.
blessings to all...robin
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I just popped in, since the topic is depression after mastectomy, and I see a thread related to Vit D levels. Just a note that there is a very detailed thread on this over in Alternatives, which is excellent. THere is a lot more to Vit D than we're initially told about. Olivia, it is possible that some/many of your symptoms could be due to your taking Vit D2. There is an OTC Vit D3 format which has fewer SE's. The gals on the Alternative thread could be very helpful to you. I hope you feel better soon. I had very low levels this past year and have been working hard to get mine up. I'm using D3. It's moving on up.
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kcshreve,
Thanks, I will be checking it out! I went to the oncologist this week and yes all the symptoms are from the VItamin D. She still wants me taking it so I have a few drugs to mitigate the side effects. It does seem a bit strange a Vitamin can cause all those symptoms, the nausea is the worst.
Today was a bit better, I actually felt hungry around lunch time. That was the first time I have been hungry since last Friday.
Olivia
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SInce I had a rough night last night and lots of pain.. I asked my boss if after I completed the two requirements she needed from me today if I could leave. Her reply was nice but I should have known it would have the not so nice side later. Before I left (believe me it took a lot to muster my energy to get into work) she told me I am no longer going to be involved in the testimony. It was a bit hurtful, I am trying to find the positive but the one part of my life that has always provided validation seems to have been shaken a bit as well over the past months.
Olivia
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I am sorry Olivia, but it is one stressful thing you no longer have to worry about. You would have given that project your all( I know you already have) and used up a lot of energy doing so. Now you can use that energy to heal your body and feel better! You are a champion, my friend, you did not quit or complain. Maybe your boss saw the toll it was taking on you....who knows. But do not think that this is in any way a reflection of who you are or your success at work. While you struggle through getting well, it is just a little hiccup in your life....seems like a big one now, but in the scheme of things, it will get better and you will be able to do even bigger and better things! I wish someone would tell me that I needed to back off a little.....,my husband is too concerned about the lack of income and my employees are concerned with job security. As well they should I guess. I won't get off on that tangent...I may not be able to reel myself back in.... Stay strong and use this time to focus on what is important: your health!!! BTW I bought some Kale and flax seeds. Love the flax, HATE the Kale. I also bought brussel sprouts which I have always liked. *sigh* Having a bit of a bad day today...long story
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You are right it is one less pressure! and I am lucky!!
I am sorry you are having a bad day and have all the pressure on your shoulders. I am sure it is stressful to have other people relying on you for their income, I can not imagine. My dad had his own business and two of my brothers do as well. It is one aspect of their companies they discuss quite a bit. so vicariously through them I understand.
I just read an article in the Washington Post, really a book review, Eating Pomegranates, A memoir of Mothers and Daughters and the BRCA gene. After reading the review I think I would not recommend it for any of us right now.
Cyber hugs - gentle ones and lots of prayers!!
Olivia
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Thanks Olivia. I shouldn't complain...I am lucky to own my own business and be able to still work. Just one of those days....:)
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Ah, Olivia and Tammy...I"m so sorry you both have experienced rough days....I can't say mine was great, but it wasn't horrible. I don't own my own business, and we don't rely on my income soley (sp??), but it is totally necessary...but I dislike my Fridays something awful. I don't have the connection at the Friday school that I have at the others. The kids are so rowdy, and I have no time. I dread Fridays. I told my family this morning that every penny I earn on Fridays is in blood....I don't even get a bathroom break, and today, I even forgot my lunch!!! I don't have my own room at any of these schools, nor my own desk....so I have to set up each time I go to a school.. Rarely is anything in the same place it was the week before, and I have to go searching for something.... The last five years I had my own room, my own desk, my own everyhting! It was wonderful! I could walk right in and know where everything was and be ready to go. NOw, I have to spend an hour just getting ready, prepping for stuff that really shouldn't have to be done if I were in my own room...sigh. Yes, I know I'm lucky to have a job....sigh.
Are you all still itching? Are you nodes/armpits hurting? Is your skin still pulling? Is your chest still tight? I am so frustrated.....I don't know when this will ever end....
I had a call today (while I was at work) from the genetics counselor. My results are in and they want me to make an appt. to come in and discuss the results. Of course, my kids didn't tell me the office called, and I didn't hear the message on the machine until AFTER their office was closed. sigh. Now I have to wait all weekend to make the appt. Oh well.
My oldest is home from college this weekend....but he's wanting to spend more time with his g'friend than us
I guess that's how it is, but I just want to look at him and say, "you're welcome for giving birth to you"....it hurts so badly that he doesn't want to spend time with us. I will give him credit though....they are at our house right now. Watching Star Wars (ugh...) I could be downstairs watching it with them...
Ok, girls....it's the weekend. Time to FORGET about work - as much as we can. Olivia, we're going to trust that your boss' decision is in your best interest and a blessing in disguise.....I'm sure that was a downer, but we'll try to look for the silver lining..... Tammy, I'm sorry it was "one of those days", but let your hubby and boys give you some good old TLC and treat you to a foot rub and some chocolate icecream....maybe a Dairy Queen Moolatte (I had one this afternoon - boy, was it yummy!!)
And if we all had bad or semi-crummy days today, remember it's Good Friday - and Jesus had it far worse. But, Sunday's coming
blessings....robin
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Robin,
I remember my first Good Friday in Washington DC. There were people protesting the Pentagon and throwing red paint at everyone trying to enter the building. It was very chaotic and scary!! But then I thought - WOW how appropriate to be persecuted for something we believed in, especially what I do for the military which is any program to support military families. I will never forget that day!
Olivia
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My ex brought me some soup and made some kale for me. My son happend to love Kale, don't remember when he had some but when he did he went nuts over it. This is my son who otherwise only wants fried foods and ice cream. Anyway he cooked it with onions, mushrooms, carrott slivers and it was wonderful. Of course he is and was always a fabulous cook - I do miss that and how great he was a fixing things but ...oh well. Anyway, I'll see if I can find out how he made the Kale as it was really wonderful and I'm not usually thrilled by things like that. Flax seeds, I used to sneak the oil and the seeds into my son's food when he was little but he never had strong taste buds so he didn't mind it. Haven't thought about that in a long time. We finally quit as it was expensive and it goes rancid fairly quickly.
Sorry everyone has such rough days at work. I can't imagine trying to work a full day right now. Witnessed a horrible accident today but luckily the young girl was basically fine. I had taken my little dog for a walk and when walking up the driveway I heard a noise and turned around and a car hit my neighbor's mailbox and went straight up part of my tree and the whole car flipped totally over. She was 17 years old driving home from school. I imagine she was talking/texting on the phone as when I helped her out of the car the only thing she had was her phone in her hand and no shoes. Two fire trucks, fire rescue,2 police cars and an ambulance all came. She was so calm but very coherent. Everything else was in her trunck like her wallet and such all in her bookbad. They were going to take her to the hospital and being a minor they said they had to have her checked out but somehow she and her sister talked them out of it. The only two small wrecks I was in I was a mess, teeth chattering and shaking and she was so calm - never have seen anything like it. The fire rescue and the ambulance did check her out but Wow. The car is certainly totaled.
Life is awfully precious and I know we are all very lucky to have caught the cancer early and hopefully because of our experience our friends will continue to get checked out. I have always had my yearly mammogram but I know some friends don't. Sorry got off topic.
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Greysean -
I am glad you liked the kale. I tried the weird broccoli the other night and liked it. I tried cooking it a little with olive oil, onions, fresh rosemary. My husband did not like it but I did.
I just took the Vitamin D and am on pins and needles hoping I do not have the same side effects as I did last week - ugh! My fingers and toes are crossed.
I am glad the young girls are hurt but - WOW, I would have been shaking just to see them.
Olivia
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Wow Greysean, you're lucky you didn't get hit! These kids and their cell phones! It sounds like she was in shock as well she should have been! Praise God they were not hurt!
I tried to eat Kale raw... Yuck!!! I am a northern girl and would really appreciate some recipes. "Greens" just are not a northern thing! LOL My tummy is upset today: guess I ate too many flax seeds yesterday! That was awfully nice of your ex to bring you some....did he know it is one of the foods we should be eating?
Glad you are feeling better Greysean...you sound better
Olivia, what stories you have to tell, working in DC! I have never been there before, but maybe some day. Someday, when your daughter has kids, you will be able to share many exciting stories with her!
Robin: I think that would be terribly chaotic not to have your own "spot". I have a desk at work which is mine, it is always piled with papers, but I know where everything is! Just keep in mind, only 9 more weeks and then you get a break! You can do it! And my 6th grader already is pulling away from me and spends more time with his friends then dear old mom. It is hard to watch, but heart warming at the same time....I am glad he has a good circle of friends and support system.
I am feeling better today. Monday is going to come quickly though! Happy Easter everyone!
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And we ARE lucky to have caught this early! No matter how down we get, that is one saving grace! Thanks for putting that in there Greysean: sometimes, the journey is so rough, that it is easy to forget that point! I posted this topic one month ago, and I have already come so far! I couldn't have done it without all of you ladies and my faith in God! I am blessed to have found this forum and to have God to help me along the way!
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Ladyod,
I am grateful you posted this topic - It has helped me tremendously and I do feel lucky to be a part of this group. I have posted other places but this feels like home!
Greysean - sorry I meant to say, good thing the girls were not hurt.
Happy Easter all!
Olivia
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Olivia, I gathered that was what you meant. I too am very grateful you posted this topic. I do feel so much better and found this at the right time as I was really so upset and just to know others felt the same way and put a perspective on it all made a huge difference.
I will get the Kale recipe. I was born in the north but moved when I was 2 and believe me I would not care to eat it raw. I have only ever found one recipe for turnip greens that was good and it was a local southwestern resturant and they published the recipe in the newspaper - can't say I ever made it but it came with something I ordered once and it was great probably cause they were totally disguised. No my ex probably didn't know it was something I should eat but his neighbor has a fabulous garden and she probably gave him some and she probably knew. These wonderful neighbors are my kid's godparents and are amazing.
How do you eat flack seeds - you mean by themselves? What on earth do they taste like and do you have do some something to them? Thanks!
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Flax seed you can eat raw. I think it tastes like a nut. They are itty bitty, so I think a lot of them go down whole, which means you do not get the nutrients from them It is recommended you grind them up in a food processor or coffee grinder and then you can mix it in your oatmeal and other foods you don't mind a little bit of a nutty feeling. I haven't tried that yet. I sprinkled some whole on a salad, cottage cheese, and ate it whole. I looked up on line and it said to put Kale in bean soup. Since I am fixing a ham today, and then always make bean soup with the bone, I am going to try to add the Kale...I will let you know how it goes!
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ok....I missed something somewhere....why are we eating kale and flax????
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LOL! Kale and flax are supposed to help prevent cancer....of course for those of us with bmx, I don't know what help it is now, but it can't hurt! Flax has been shown to reduce breast tumor size in some studies and is thought to reduce or lower the effects of estrogen. http://www.flaxhealth.com/breastcancerupdate
Kale has the most antioxidants and helps prevent cancer including breast and ovarian. It also helps prevent macular degeneration, btw! http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=38
I got this information from Olivia. She met with a nutritionist who gave her the list of foods to eat.
Hope you had a nice Easter! We sure did!
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Hey, Olivia and Robin, weren't you getting some results today? Haven't seen any posts and wondering how you are! I went to my gynecologist today (fun---not). Talked about ovarian cancer and stuff like that. Also had my Vit D levels checked....thanks for the idea Olivia...hope you are feeling better with your mega dose. My receptionist/billing person called and quit today...no notice, just quit. She got a job paying more and they needed her right away. I would have offered her more to stay, but she is always missing work because she is sick, or her hubby can't watch the kids, or her girls are sick. I think this will end up being a good thing....just need to get someone who can file insurance and quick! Anxiously awaiting your results.......Tammy
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Tammy,
Tomorrow is my big day with the surgeon - another biopsy and discussion about a tender area on my left side under my arm that the oncologist wanted me to have checked out.
The side effects with the Vitamin D were a little easier this time, nausea but not the roller coaster of moods. I still do not have much of an appetite but for now I am not going to worry, it will return and probably I will be sorry when it does (smile).
I am sorry your receptionist quit but sounds like she was not really reliable. I hope you can learn that your Vitamin D levels are normal. I had no idea to even ask, so glad I shared and you asked so if you are low then you can do something about it. Evidently, there is a connection between BC and Vitamin D levels something I did not know.
Flax is good for your digestive track ! I think if it helps a little and we can eat it, that is a good thing. My dad said to me, all the little things add up. So I guess I have that philosophy, I will try all the little things if I can and hope it adds to healing.
Olivia
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Thanks for the info...
I had been reading the Vit D thread on here for the last couple of months, and asked to have my levels checked...mine were low. Probably not as low as yours, though, Olivia...mine were 21.8
My doc put me on vit D and wants to recheck my levels next week.
My genetic tests results ARE in. I had a call on my answering machine on Friday asking me to call to set up an appt to discuss them. I called today, and just got THEIR answering machine...ha!
Hey...I know what....Olivia, why don't you be Tammy's office person??? YOU would be dependable!!!
blessings...robin
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Robin,
Big Prayers to you for the results of the genetic tests. It is so stressful when they call and then you can not get ahold of anyone. One time I wanted to page the on call Dr just so I would know, I did not do it but I did think about it!!
I would love to be a receptionist, I like talking to people and hearing about what is going on with them. I think most receptionist's these days just want you to put your name on the board and sit down.
I do not even know what my level's were because the oncologist said she would discuss them with me at our next appt, April 15th. I wish I had asked her when she was on the phone that evening but I was so shocked by her calling at 9:15, I just listened and did not ask anything, what a NERD!!!
Olivia
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OH, Olivia...you are so funny
I would have been in shock having a doctor call me at 9:15, too!! That's pretty amazing. Well, at least you'll know your levels in a couple of weeks. I can't wait to hear how low they were (in a matter of speaking...hope you take that in the way I mean that...)
I finally got a hold of the genetics counselor's office and have my appt. for next Monday - and they "can't tell you anything over the phone"....sigh. So I have to wait. My guess is there must not be anything. I have an appt. with the oncologist in the same outfit next Monday (part of the survivorship program , which is more of a preventative type of program for cancer survivors).....it's at 12:30, and the genetics counselor made my appt. for 12. So, I figure it must not be anything. If the test showed something, I'm sure she would need a much longer appointment.
To be honest, I was almost hoping my testing would show something....not that I would wish that on my daughter, or my kids....but just so I could go ahead and get something done about the "rest" of me so I wouldn't worry, you know? sigh. Oh well. guess my BC was just a random coincidence.
BTW, today marks my 5 month-aversary of being diagnosed and my 3 month-aversary of my BMX. SO much has happened since that time....sigh.
blessings....robin
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Well, yesterday I saw the surgeon, it was pretty uneventful. He did not think another biopsy was necessary. He re-read the MRI reports from last November. I told him the oncologist recommended it and to also check another lump on my left side, yes the same breast with the MX. He did a sonogram and said the lump on my left side looked like necrosis but not to worry about it for now. He said he thinks the lump on the right side is a cyst. He said, if still there in 3-6 months he will biopsy but not at this point. Of course, you know that makes me stressed out because it feels like a waiting game and what does he mean not to worry about the necrosis on the left side that is an unusually large lump that has recently developed, UGH!!
I see the oncologist next Thursday and will ask her what she thinks and proceed from there. I have an appt with my primary care physician on Tuesday and will ask her as well. She may recommend a second opinion which would not upset me at this point.
My poor husband feels like the surgeon is out of the game at this point and is leaving decisions about treatment up to the oncologist.
So all in all an uneventful appointment!!
Olivia
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