Stage IIA with no Chemo
I'm posting kind of same issue again and again because it is very difficult decision for me. My tumor is 2.1 cm, grade 3, ER+, HER2- and no node involved. Now, I'm waiting for the Oncotype score. My onclologiest rely on this result, so he will not give me the chemo if the score is less than 18. But, my surgeont strongly recomand for the chemo. I do not want chemo if it is not needed, but I do not want to miss anything. If I need chemo, yes I can do it. I really confuse who to I belive. If oncotype comes higher number, I have to do chemo, but if comes with less number, then I have to decide what to do.
Does anybody didn't do chemo with similar to mine?
By the way, I'm 37, and my cousin who is radialogist strongly recomand chemo because of my age.
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Yes you should do chemo, based on your age, and the grade IIa. You can do it!
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Hi, Im same stage as you, Im 29 y.o, 2.9cm tumour, ER +, Her2 -, grade 2, no nodal involvement. I completed 4 cycles of TC from last Oct - Dec. Both med-onc and surgeon advised me to have chemo (did not have oncotype score performed). Based on your age, and esp GRADE, I would advise chemo. You want to do EVERYTHING you can to fight this beast once and keep it away....
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While I am older than you, I had a similar pathology report. I refused chemo based on reading the research reports. All of them had statements in the "Discussion" sections that the benefit of chemo in early stage bc was unknown or unclear. I could not justify putting myself through the side effects, or taking the risk of permanent nerve damage for a treatment that is not proven for Stage II bc, nor was the risk worth increasing my percentange of being recurrence free after 5 years from 95% to 97%. More recent research has raised a question about chemo in early stage bc--if the beast comes back, it is usally resistant to the chemo it has already been exposed to, limiting treatment options. Women who do not have chemo who have a recurrence seem to have a better response to chemo at the later point in time. The researchers are wondering if it's similar to bacteria being exposed to antibiotics but not completely killed off--the bacteria then develop resisitance to the antibiotic.
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Duke did a study of young women with stage 1 bc. There odds of cure were 90% versus 98% -this is a huge window. The reason being that young women have more agresive cancer. So I would strongly recommend thinking about doing chemo.
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yunlee - I would also advise chemo, depending on the oncotype score. My score was 23. I did CMF chemo, which is considered easier to tolerate. It also leaves the heavier chemos as options - if you have a recurrence.
Once you have your oncotype score, you will be able to assess your options better.
Your age and grade do indicate a recommendation of chemo - as Pure wrote, 90% vs. 98% is a big difference.
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It's difficult being in a situation where you have to make such a choice. I was diagnosed in 2005 with stage IIa - 2.1cm, er+/pr+, her2-, 0/7 nodes, no lymphatic invasion. Biggest difference in our diagnosis was my tumor was grade1.
Oncotype testing was very new then. My surgeon recommended I have the test, my onc fought it....but we worked it out as a team. Result came back a 17 and all involved strongly recommended no chemo. (I was 45 at the time....had lumpectomy, rads, tamoxifen)
Hopefully you will have a low risk of recurrence, then the decision is much easier. If you are in the "gray" area of intermediate risk, than you have to decide what is best for you. If you do not do chemo, and the cancer returns, would you continually beat yourself up for skipping it the 1st time? There are certainly risks and long term consequences to chosing chemo.....but if the chemo provides you with a piece of mind you need to feel you have given this your all, then maybe its the right choice for you.
Either way, I'll hope for that low recurrence risk score for you......
Stay strong,
Phyllis
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Thanks Everyone.
I'm confuse because of what my doctor said. He said if I do not want to request for the OncoType DX, he will give me the chemo for sure according to my pathology report. But, if I get the Oncotype score, he will decide depend on it. If oncotype is the must fector to decide my treatment plan, I will be comfortable wahtever result it come from. But, I feel like it is optional. Then, is it safe to rely on it? I'm not a chemo lover - of course. I just want a prooven somthing that no chemo is O.K. on my case. If everyone said low oncotype score means No chemo for sure, I will be comfortable. But, I still hear that no matter waht do chemo on my case. This make me crazy.
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My oncotype score was 7 but still doing chemo because of the size of the tumor ..(2.7 cm) ..
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yunlee--make another appointment with your oncologist and ask why he/she would be comfortable not giving you chemo if the oncotype score is low since he/she would give you chemo based on the pathology. Also find out if your insurance will cover the oncotype test, not all of them do and it is an expensive test. Have the onc give you recurrence and life expectancy percentages with and without chemo based on the pathology report. That will give you more solid information to work with, and hopefully be less confusing.
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I was 38, same stage. No oncotype done. What I was told is that oncotype testing isn't reliable for women our age (under 40). I am sorry to say, but I think you should do chemo, especially with a grade 3 cancer at your age. It isn't fun but it is doable. The women on this board are great and can help you as you move through the process. Best wishes...
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If insurance won't cover the oncotype, Genomic Health will help you appeal (they are the oncotype lab). I thought most insurance in the US cover it - as it is now standard of care, but I could be wrong. Mine covered it. They did not cover the BRAC testing, or zometa for stage 1, so don't cover everything my onc. would like. I did the BRAC testing anyway - which is not a bad idea for you to do as you are young.
I think talking to your onc. again sounds like a good idea. A second opinion is never a bad idea either.
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Thanks again all of you. I just got a call from Genomic Health that the test is covered by insurance, but it will takes 10 to 14 days. Wow, waiting is really hard. If it comes out with low number, I will go for the second opinion, then it will takes another time. Now, it's a month already from the surgery, and still don't know what to do. It's not fun.
Thanks again everyone. You makes me feel much better.
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HI NATIVE MAINE...Want to make a comment . Women with a two inch Solid- tumor.
HER2+. How would you shrink a 2cm tumor without the use of Chemotherapy before the
actual lumpect or the masect surgery. What are the options for us women, if any?
Please tell me.
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mMagnet:like all other cancerous tumors, the tumor can be surgically removed without being shrunk first. Shrinking a tumor is not required in order to surgically remove it. Your breast surgeon and oncologist should be giving you all your options before have you choose a treatment.
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hi in my friends situation, let me explain, she was diagnosed with DCIS, HER2. In your opinion, is this an aggressive form of breast cancer? Her oncologist/surgeon wants to shrink her 2 inch
breast tumor first before admitting the lumpectomey surgery she prefers Where she is receiving
the oncologists/ breast surgeons don't remove breast cancer tumors quickly, right away if that's
the hospital's system and or up to the patient's saying's perhaps she should of asked if she could of had the procedure. She is in chemotherapy now,after she is done with the treatments,
perhaps she should ask, What's the next step and also if she could have surgically remove at any time she feels wishes to.
What is your opinon Native Mine?
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mMagnet--HER2+ bc is considered more aggressive than HER2 negative bc. As to why your friend's onc wanted to do chemo first I don't know. The onc should have given your friend specific information about treatment options so she could make an informed choice. If she doesn't know that the next step is, her onc or surgeon or both did not give her enough information. Absolutely she should ask the onc and surgeon what the plan is, and what her options are. Many docs are comfortable with one way of treating cancer and don't tell women everything they need to know to make a treatment choice. If she wanted immediate surgery she should have been given the option of being referred to a hospital/practice/center that does that. She really can't have surgery anytime, because one of the side effects of chemotherapy is that it interferes with healing. Most surgeons require women to wait 1 to 3 months after chemotherapy to have surgery. If the docs are planning radiation, the wait is usually 3 to 6 months after it's done to have surgery.
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Hi-I had a similiar diagnosis-stage 2A, no node involvement. I was 41 at age of diagnosis, though. My oncotype came back in the grey area and I chose not to do chemo. My oncologist wanted me to at first because of my age-however he agreed with my decision because chemo could've only lowered my chance for recurrance by 2% and may have actually not helped at all. It was a long and hard decision and a very personal one. My grade was 2, though but my tumor was 3cm. I did surgery, 33 radiation treatments and am now on Tamoxifen. Whatever YOU decide, good luck to you.
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Hello Everyone,
I just got my Oncotype score which is 17, so my oncologiest will not give me a chemo.
I don't know. One side, I'm happy that the score is not hight, but the other side I'm not comfortable yet about no chemo. I whished for lessthan 10 for the score, then no chemo.
Please give me any opinion for this.
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Hi Yunlee72,
This is a very personal decision and one that only you can make.
A few things I thought about when I was going through it were that many (too many) women have done this already--I wasn't the first & unfortunately, I'm not going to be the last and if I opted out of chemo and 10 years down the line it came back, I would never forgive myself. As we all know, It may come back but at least I know I did everything in my power to stop it.
It's not easy but is it doable? Yes. It's so scary, I know, but there are countless women before you who got through chemo--as tough as it was.
You have to make a decision and be settled in that decision. You're in the right place for support. I wish you well.
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My diagnosis was the same as yours, except that I was 56 at diagnosis (I am now 58). My oncotype test score was 14. My onc and surgeon took 2 weeks battling the chemo. Surgeon wanted chemo, onc doctor felt I should not. I did not have chemo. It took some time, because at first I kept wondering about not having chemo, but I finally worked through this decision and decided I would never 2nd guess myself, even if it comes back. But you are quite young...in the research I've seen concerning woman under 40 it suggests you may want to look more seriously at having chemo. Best to you, and remember, you are not alone.
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Yunlee72
we have a very similar situation. I was diagnosed in January, my tumor was over 3 cm and I am also 37. I did have the oncotype score which came back as 16. My oncologist said she would support me in either decision, to have chemo or no, but she also consulted two other oncologists about it and they all agreed that given my age and the size of the tumor, chemo is a rational thing to do. On the other hand, if I was comfortable just doing Tamoxifen, she would have supported that too.
My Ki67 score was also high, which is suggestive of quickly growing/more aggresive tumor and that also played into my decision, as did some family input, but overall it was a personal decision to have chemo. I just finished my second round of Taxotere/Cytoxan yesterday; I'm having a total of 4.
Good luck in your journey, and don't be afraid to see another oncologist for more input if you are still questioning your decision.
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Grade 3 is most aggressive. Reason I am doing chemo. I am doing CMF chemo, little side effects, no hair loss. Very doable!!
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