MARCH 2010 Rads Group

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  • bestillandlisten
    bestillandlisten Member Posts: 11
    edited March 2010

    I do know that we are not to be having antioxidants, because they introduce oxidants to kill the cancer cells (just like in chemo).  If you take antioxidants, you destroy the oxidants to kill your cancer -- hence diluting your treatment.  My oncology nurse said we can eat broccoli and veggies, etc., but are not to take supplements of antioxidants (including A, C, E ,and circumen).

  • June2268
    June2268 Member Posts: 1,202
    edited March 2010

    Any of you ladies having vivid dreams?  2nd night in a row and it involves my husband cheating and believe me, he is so not the type and I seldom remember shit about my dreams never mind them involving him with another woman........could this be a WEIRD SE?  Or maybe due to the fact that I look like a fat freak!

  • fan2544
    fan2544 Member Posts: 22
    edited March 2010

    Morning ladies.

    So I am oficially done with RADS. I will keep checking back to see how all of you are doing. The first time in a long time for a "normal" morning. My warmest wishes to all of you. Please know that beyond your own friends and family there are ladies here who know exactly what you are all going through. Be strong.

    hugs

    Karen

  • Sugar77
    Sugar77 Member Posts: 2,138
    edited March 2010

    Congratulations Karen - keep us posted as to how you are afterward.

    June - I've had some dreams too but not like your's.  Maybe you've seen too much coverage of the Sandra Bullock/Jesse James scandal or Tiger Woods and his mistresses and it's on your mind. lol Laughing

    My appointment is early today because I have another appointment at my normal time so now off to the hospital.

    Sherri 

  • June2268
    June2268 Member Posts: 1,202
    edited March 2010
    Sherri you are too funnyLaughing.  It could be because I am actually sleeping the last few nights as I think I was so freaked out about the unknown and now that I know what to expect and it puts my mind at ease......My husband woke me up this morning and I told him to stop cheating on me and he laughed his ass off....2 days straight, how funny is that?  Going in for #5, not bad at all....so far so good!
  • Raili
    Raili Member Posts: 435
    edited March 2010

    3montsmama, thanks for the info about coconut oil! Guess I won't be using that anymore, yikes!
    The radiation nurse looked at the ingredients in my bottle of 98% aloe vera gel and wasn't thrilled that "fragrance" is listed, but she's letting me keep using it for now. She said if it's not enough, they can give me a prescription for something...but I really really try to stay away from drugs and chemicals as much as possible, so I will try other natural stuff first - maybe calendula cream - if the aloe's not enough. (I have not seen any aloe plants anywhere!)

    June, they told me Tom's of Maine deodorant is good! And they told me not to shave...argh. Well, they said I could shave my right armpit but not the left, and how stupid would that look?!? :)

    Kathy, I'm sorry you had to see the sign, too! I don't know if that whole sticker thing is normal or not, because I'm only on day 3 and haven't had any stickers. I got tattoos.

    There's a lot I don't understand about radiation, and I'm debating whether it would be worth it to me to ask a ton more questions until I understand it, or just trust that everyone knows what they're doing, even if I don't, and tough it out. In general, I'm the type of person who needs as much information as possible. But...I really don't like the rad. onc. (he's the only one within 90 mins of me in my hospital's network, and I can't afford the gas/time it would take to drive elsewhere every day), and all of my questions are ones that I'd have to ask him and not the techs, so maybe I don't want to extend my time with him any more than what he himself requires of me. For instance, yesterday, I was lying on the table under the linear accelerator and the techs were trying to position me and said, "Hold on, we need to have our physicist come in and check the field." I have no idea what that means, or why I then had all 3 of them taking turns tracing a line on my sternum and saying numbers at each other. I kept hearing "97." No idea! I wonder if I really care/need to know what it all means??

    I HAVE to meet with the rad. onc. today after my treatment (I have to every Wed, I was told), so I will at least ask him:
    1. Why can't I have my chickweed tea??
    2. Tell me again what is being done to protect my heart and lung, and are you able to tell yet whether my heart and/or lung are in the field, and to what extent?

    Here's something kind of silly/embarrassing to admit to... sometimes my anxiety over radiation causes me to get the radiation protocol mixed up with the protocol from all the previous medical procedures I've had in the past 4 months. I'll show up wearing a hairclip and have a flash of that "OH NO, I'm not supposed to have anything metal!" anxiety, then remember, no, that was only for the MRI. Then I'll think, "OH NO, I drank a coffee half an hour ago - I'm supposed to be fasting!", then remember, no, that was only before surgery. I just had a full-body thermogram last week, and the protocol for that was intense - there was a whole list of things I couldn't do or have for 48 hrs beforehand, and the day of, I was supposed to only have a light breakfast with nothing too hot or cold, not exercise or experience emotional stress, wear a button-down shirt, and all kinds of stuff. I've gotten so tense from having all of these protocols to follow that part of me doesn't believe I can really just show up at the cancer center every day, get zapped, and go home, and it's that "easy."

    Okay, the stuff I DO have to do:
    1. Apply aloe vera [some kind of lotion/cream] 3 times a day, but not within 4 hrs before treatment. And obviously, this has to be done in private - it's not like hand lotion, which you can apply at your desk at work or while walking downtown!
    2. Drink extra water
    3. Wear pants instead of a dress (because then wearing the gown would be even more annoying, if I didn't at least have pants on)
    4. Sleep extra
    5. Maybe stop drinking chickweed tea, and maybe stop taking my supplements that have antioxidants and VitC?? (Still have to find out)
    6. Don't shave

  • AndreaS97057
    AndreaS97057 Member Posts: 46
    edited March 2010

    Done with #3 (the techs had a slightly odd look when I did the "slam-dunk-3!" with that gown. Who in the heck do those things fit???)  So far, so good.  I can see my new "normal" routine evolving.  This sure puts looking forward to the weekend up to a whole new level.

    I'm trying to stuff all my aerobic exercise in for the next 5 weeks into this week.  I can't imagine running with sensitive, burnt skin - does anyone run (or trot slowly as I do)??.  Even yoga with all the reaching and stretching - will I be able to keep that up?? 

    Yeah!  Karen!  It must feel so good to be done!  Now you have to build another new routine - make sure you keep that morning slot open to do something nice for YOU.

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2010

    Irish Mom- Sorry to hear that you had a reaction. I did read on one post awhile back that some people react, towards end of treatment, to the adhesive on the stickers. Mine itched like crazy when they first put them on me, and now the itching seems to have subsided. Hope your blisters heal up nicely.

    June- I am using Tom's of Maine, and my techs were the ones who suggested it. I actually wore....hold onto your seats...... regular deodorant/antipersperant the first 5 days because I FORGOT that the alumninum might cause an issue. I had a middle of the night panic attack when I realized that I had done this, but the techs assured me that the radiation is so small and cumulative that I shouldn't have any problems associated with those 5 days. Tom's doesn't work too well for me, since I am a sweaty woman, but it's better than nothing.

    Railli- I did a slam dunk for you, too. I like the association of "one down!", and it does help me feel better about the treatment. Now that everyone has basically seen my boob and my crying face, I feel like I can just sit back and let it all happen. Thankfully, the time seems to be passing quickly.  My mom came with me to treatment and our tech asked her if she wanted a "tour" of the radiation room. My mom freaked out and the tech didn't understand why. Suffice to say, my mom's had a hard time handling the fact that I've got BC...  I have also stopped taking a bunch of herbal teas (I used to take Fennel and Rosehips for IBS), mainly because I cannot tell which herbs are estrogenic. I have eliminated lavendar from all my health products because it is supposedly mildly estrogenic. Since I am opting out of Tamoxifen, I have to watch every thing going into my body!

    Irish47- Purple marker.... will help definitely! I love the sensation of crossing time off the calendar for this period of life. I painted my tonails an absolutely garish shade of green this week, and I intend to wear the most radioactive, nuclear colors possible until my treatment is over. It's my small gesture of laughing at my predicament. Last week was greyish/purple, now I am absolutely green. I am planning on a black/plum color next!

  • TreadSoftly
    TreadSoftly Member Posts: 192
    edited March 2010

    fan2544, karen, congrats on finishing Rads!! I am very jealous....

    AndreaS - Im 16 treatments into Rads (out of 33) and still running regularly.  I cover my boob with aloe vera lotion and a large tissue, then put my sports bra over this, and run as usual.  No problems to report yet, so far so good!

    Re not shaving: I was told not to shave too, that the hairs under the arm in the radiation field (i.e. half my armpit, below my sentinel lymph node scar) would fall out naturally around week 3 - 4 and sure enough, when I checked today, half the hairs under my arm have disappeared.....weird, reminding me of chemo again!!

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2010

    AndreaS

    I have continued with running, dance and yoga. Like TreadSoftly, I slather my breast with aloe gel, and I usually use a sports bra plus a tank top with shelf while I run. I am getting fatigued at this point, though, and will be honest that I was actually BEAT yesterday after I did a Vinyasa Flow class. I think my energy levels are getting drained, even 1.5 weeks into treatment. My dog has gotten walked religiously, mainly because I use the outside time to reflect and gain some peace within.

  • Sugar77
    Sugar77 Member Posts: 2,138
    edited March 2010

    Hi - I did a slam dunk with my gowns today, too.  At my hospital we are supposed to wear two layered on top of each other tied the opposite way (if that makes sense to you).  I was told not to wear aloe vera unless it was 100% pure from the plant.  Instead, I'm to wear Glaxol Base cream 2-3 times a day.  I bought a big tub at Costco and it seems to work really well.  I'm still going on my treadmill each night and wearing a sports bra.  So far, so good.  Like AndreaS, I'm also trying to get in as much exercise before any redness or pain sets in that might prevent me from continuing. 

    I'm wearing my natural deordorant on my good side and nothing on the other. If I'm at Whole Foods in the next week, I'll check out Tom's and see if they'll "allow" it.  Otherwise, I'll just go au natural on the bad side.

    Take care!

    Sherri 

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited March 2010

    Raili and others-- Try a garden supply for the Aloe Vera plants.  If you have Trader Joes in your area, I have seen the plants there fairly often.  Whole foods or a food coop may have them as well. 

    I was specifically told Toms of Maine was okay.  I have used it before and find it works well enough.  Remember that sweating isn't the bad part as much as the bacteria on your skin interacting with the sweat. Anti-perspirents deal with sweat, deordorants deal with smell by masking or inhibiting growth of bacteria or both.  If you make sure that you wash every day, you should  be fine.

    I am also trying to do some exercise.  This morning, I did some stomach crunches on the floor of the dressing room ---spread out my gown and laid down on that. Laughing I think I am going to make that a habit.  I am walking from rads to work and if I can get out of the office in time, when my appointment time changes to the middle of the day, I'll be walking both ways.  Its a little over a half mile each way but its seriously uphill to get there which I think would be most helpful. Yesterday, I got out of the office for lunch and did a walk up the hill to the library.  Not the longest but it did get my heartrate up so thats something, right?

    As far as side effects and wierd dreams and the like that people are mentioning, I think we all have to remember that we are under ALOT of stress and have been, depending on when we were diagnoised for a really long time.  What we experience in the way of wacky dreams or bad memory or upset stomachs and the like is just as likely, if not more likely, to be a result of the stress as opposed to the radiation treatments.  Stress can really be debilitating and most people don't get that until they REALLY have stress in their lives, like all of us do right now. That said, we can all make it through to the other side.

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited March 2010

    PS shaving---I was also told no shaving.  For one thing, it irritates the arm and the skin will already be sensitive.  For another, even with being careful sometimes you can nick yourself and with the rads, it will be hard for the nick to heal.

    so I'm not shaving nothing.  I am calling this my "classic European" look  Innocent

  • etk02038
    etk02038 Member Posts: 150
    edited March 2010

    My first treatment went fine yesterday...leaving soon for #2 of 33. I wasn't told not to shave but what the heck..one less thing to do!

    June- I am going to Dana Farber in Milford. An easy drive. My sister lives in Shrewsbury.

    Karen - congrats on finishing. 

  • fan2544
    fan2544 Member Posts: 22
    edited March 2010
  • irish47
    irish47 Member Posts: 109
    edited March 2010

    MariannaHB - and your colour scheme made me laugh too!

    I now have my first one down and 24 to go, strike one off the calender.  Along with everyone else here also doing the healthy bit with exercising (have a small home gym so no excuse), healthy eating and so on.

    The only strange thing with me is that one of my tattoos disappeared/didn't take.  they used the flipping purple marker again, and when I got home, having visited my mum and done some shopping, saw a big purple slash visible through my v necked jumper:-).  And nobody said a word to me..

  • Raili
    Raili Member Posts: 435
    edited March 2010

    Slam-dunked my gown after Rads #3!  We have to put them into this big metal trash-can-type thing, where you step on a pedal to open the lid... and today i SLAMMED the lid down a bit too hard, OOPS!

    Still hated it today!!  ARGH!!  Is it going to get better!?  Today the problem was that one of the techs poking at me was male, despite the fact that I have told literally 5 people in this office, at least twice, that I am very uncomfortable having male doctors touching my breasts and I need an all-female team - which should not be hard, considering there are 3 or 4 females and only one male.  And my surgeon called and had a lengthy chat with the radiation oncologist about this as well.  So it was frustrating to have a male tech with me today, and I had to tell the rad. onc. AGAIN about my extreme discomfort, and he said he'd talk to the staff about it again.  If male doctors keeping touching me, I will really and truly quit rads and get a mastectomy instead.  Most people don't at all understand my discomfort with male doctors, and can't relate, but I don't care - as long as they respect that this is how I feel, and it's MY body, and MY choice.  So so frustrating.

    At least the rad. onc. said I could keep drinking my chickweed tea.  And he showed me the CT films to show me that my heart is not in the radiation field at all, but my lung is a little bit.

    3monstmama, in regards to this - 

    I think we all have to remember that we are under ALOT of stress and have been, depending on when we were diagnoised for a really long time. What we experience in the way of wacky dreams or bad memory or upset stomachs and the like is just as likely, if not more likely, to be a result of the stress as opposed to the radiation treatments. Stress can really be debilitating and most people don't get that until they REALLY have stress in their lives, like all of us do right now. That said, we can all make it through to the other side. 

    It's so true!  Such an important point!  The stress is real and has many effects.  Sometimes I wonder, is it really the radiation that causes such fatigue, or could the fatigue simply be a result of the stress of being a cancer patient EVERY FREAKIN DAY for a month and a half?!  In addition to all of the other cancer treatments we've already been through and will continue to go through!  I'm normally a very cheerful, upbeat, stable person...I totally kept my spirits up through three surgeries/the first 4 months following dx... but I'm starting to get bogged down with stress now.  Much of my stress is due to other things going on in my life - I'm moving out of my apartment in a week and may have to find a new home for my beloved cat, I'm currently dog-sitting for 2 weeks at someone else's house, just quit a job, had to pay over a month's salary to fix my car, cracked a tooth, ETC - so it's just that the daily radiation treatments are pushing me over the edge.  It's just one more thing that I don't need right now!

    And during times of such stress, sometimes the "little things" take on a greater significance than they normally would.  Maybe if I was in a better state of mind right now, I could handle things like a male tech briefly touching my ribcage, or having to take a break from my favorite tea, or having to wear the gown every day, but being under so much stress already makes these things feel like heavier burdens than they should be.  As I was leaving today, one of the techs gave me a small bouquet of daffodil buds - every rads patient got one today, and every daffodil bundle is wrapped in tissue paper held together by a sticker that says: "Having cancer is hard.  The American Cancer Society can help," along with the phone number.  Yeah, having cancer IS hard.  But can the American Cancer Society really make the male tech stop touching me, or allow me to wear my own shirt into the room instead of a gown, or get my lung out of the radiation field??  I don't think so. :(  I don't know if I can do this another 30 times... but I have to keep reminding myself that going through this 30 more times is still better than spending the rest of my life without breasts, which would be the altnernative to rads if I did quit.

  • Sugar77
    Sugar77 Member Posts: 2,138
    edited March 2010

    Raili - I know it's hard.  Try to hang in there.  There are a lot of things that make me uncomfortable, too.  I'm trying to keep in mind that all this is for my well being and that I need to go with the flow sometimes. I hope you feel better about treatment tomorrow.

    Three down so far.  My final day is April 20th....

    Sherri 

  • grama5
    grama5 Member Posts: 81
    edited March 2010

    11 down 22 to go. I have a male tech and he is very nice AND very quiet, I think I would be uneasy if he was more talkative and friendly, he simply comes in and does his job and wishes me a good day when I leave. I think I might be feeling a little bit of fatigue. I came home, took my 4# pom, Max for his walk and then took about a 20 min snooze in my chair, not like me. My skin is holding up so far, no burning or discoloring. My team surprised me today and asked me to bring in Max to meet them. I asked, are you sure it is ok? and they said others had. I asked what I would do with him during my treatment and one tech said she would hold him, with a big grin on her face. So Friday on my day off, I usually go straight from work, Max will meet my team.

    Flo

  • c2will
    c2will Member Posts: 91
    edited March 2010

    The light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter - only 3 boosts remaining.  I'm very tanned, but mainly on my chest and under my breast.  The lanolin (brand name Lansinoh) works really well.  The itch is getting a little more intense, but I have a prescription for a cream.  Fatigue showed up a little later today, but I also had a busier day.

  • MarieK
    MarieK Member Posts: 911
    edited March 2010

    Hi All!

    I had 18 (of 28) today and I noticed that I am getting weird red marks on my collar bone and under my arm.  I applied the RX cortisone cream and it seemed to help calm it down.

    No other noticeable burned or marked areas - so I'm doing ok I guess.

    I did have to stop wearing the CK undershirt because the arm holes were a bit high and irritating the underarm area.  I've switched to the GAP mens undershirts - much softer and wider head and arm holes - or going totally "nekked" under my top.

    Beckye - we are on the same schedule.  I finished chemo on Jan 19 and started rads on March 1.  My rad onc wanted me to start 2 -3 weeks after chemo but I wanted to wait a bit longer - we had the Olympics here and I didn't want to fight the traffic downtown.  Also, we snuck a family vacation in during my "down" time from treatment!

    Has anyone had headaches with radiation?  I seem to have one after the other - the weekends are a bit better - but during the week it seems to never end.  Not sure if it's our weird weather here (barometric pressure changes) or the daily 2 hour drive (1 hour each way) through downtown traffic to radiation.

    I hope that everyone is getting through their treatments quickly and without skin pain!

    Marie

  • bestillandlisten
    bestillandlisten Member Posts: 11
    edited March 2010

    Raili, it does get easier. (I just had day 18 out of 33.) It'll fall into a kind of normal swing and you'll be in and out quickly each day.  While I have a male radiation therapist, too, he is very friendly and a friend of a friend.  Somehow he's still very professional and I've been able to just be normal with him.  Strange, because at first I thought it was bizarre that they'd have a guy in there, but it's been okay.  But there is a lady who is scheduled ahead of me that has insisted he not help with her, so he has to stay in the next room when she's in.  I think it would be perfectly acceptable to say, "I'm sorry, but I have requested not to have a male in here during my treatment," and to steadfastly, firmly, but kindly refuse until he is out.  You've talked to the oncologist, and he has talked to the staff.  They know he's not supposed to be in there.  I do know that the guy who works with me was hurt that the other lady didn't allow him to help her, but if you have a real problem with it, stick to your guns. :)  You / your insurance are paying a LOT for these treatments.  You should be treated well and your wishes respected.

     grama5 Yeah, that sounds like the fatigue hitting.  While it's not as bad as with chemo, it is pretty obvious once it hits!  My oncologist's nurse had said I'd have it by week 4, but some have it from week 1.  I'm in week 4, and sure enough it hit twice last week (crashed out, couldn't keep my eyes open during some movies). :D  Not as long or deep as with chemo, but it definitely puts me out!

    Congrats fan2544 on completing your radiation treatment!  *sigh*  At our center they have a bell you ring when you finish your treatment.  A friend who recently completed her regimen says she was surprised that she got all emotional and cried when she rang the bell.  I can imagine. :)  Looking forward to that day (April 14)!  And I couldn't put my gown in the hamper and think of it the same way again after reading all of your 'dunking' comments!!  YES!

    Another couple of reasons they don't want us shaving is because our skin is more fragile with radiation and it could break open more easily / get nicks or cuts, and because our immunities are a little lower with radiation.  If you did chemo you remember the care to not get sick.  From things I've read they don't want us getting any infections, even for a number of years after all of this!

     Hope your day goes well tomorrow, everyone!

  • MzJ
    MzJ Member Posts: 31
    edited March 2010

    Hi Marie, I too have had headaches.  I've completed #17 of 30 treatments.   I found that my headaches were sinus related.  I hated making ANOTHER doctor appointment, but I finally went to see my regular family doctor and got an antibiotic (which was ok'd by the radiation doctor).  

    Regarding gel/lotion:  Here's something at WalMart that works well for me - It's "100% Aloe Vera Gel", no color added, fragrance free. The brand name is "Fruit of the Earth".   

    For deodarant:  At CVS I got Naturally Fresh Deodorant Crystal, fragrance free, no harmful aluminums.  Read the directions, you wet it before applying it.  I only put it on the side that's NOT getting zapped. (cause the side that is is getting covered with aloe 3 times a day.)

    At each store, the products were a little hard to find because they were on the bottom shelf.

  • joanneasiata
    joanneasiata Member Posts: 719
    edited March 2010

    HI ALL

    Had number four today, I'm finding it very pleasant ,i to will start the SLAM DUNK  and will be thinking of all you  ladies ,my nursing team, they are  all so sweet  they bounce around having fun ,so its good energy . Im feeling a bit of pain, it feels like Ive been punched really hard in the boob its that heavy achey sharp pain and it goes up onto my shoulder it feels like its near my chest wall  any one else have this, im going for an 1 1/2 hr massage tomorrow then a pedicure yum its my "me day" then home to NO cooking dinner yeh for jojo

    hang in there girls remember there is always someone worse of then yourself

    KEEP WELL AND ENJOY LIFE ITS TO SHORT

    JOJO

  • bestillandlisten
    bestillandlisten Member Posts: 11
    edited March 2010

    MarieK, it's so great that y'all got to have a family vacation during your down time! So glad that worked out for you!  I'll keep you in my prayers as we progress!  I haven't had the headache.  Are you drinking enough?  My oncologist said we're supposed to have about 80 oz. a day to drink.  Pretty much like when we're on chemo.  Are you drinking enough?  The reason I ask is because my infusion nurse said that some women dehydrate during radiation and have to go in for fluids.  I've been pretty careful to drink a lot since hearing that!

  • June2268
    June2268 Member Posts: 1,202
    edited March 2010

    HI ladies I am going in for treatment #6 today.....I too in the very beginning had headaches and wondered if it was the rads as I also suffer from sinus headaches year round....however they have subsided and I have not had them since the 2nd treatment, they seemed to last the whole day no matter what I took to alleviate the pain....so lets pray it stays that way and they are a thing of the past........I was also told to use Toms of Maine and to wash it off before treatment as I WAS NOT doing that and was also told pure aloe Vera gel (fruit of the earth) as well.....I have been getting to bed a 1/2 hour early each night and actually sleeping through the night, so hopefully the fatigue wont set in.....

    Happy slam dunk-in......

  • fan2544
    fan2544 Member Posts: 22
    edited March 2010
  • Raili
    Raili Member Posts: 435
    edited March 2010

    I do eat 3 or 4 squares of 85% dark chocolate as soon as I get to the car after rads... and after I had 4 vials of blood drawn, I had a big chocolate chip cookie.  (the fruit-juice sweetened kind, because I gave up sugar 2 months ago!)  I'm trying to at least be as kind and gentle to myself as I can be, but it's hard.

  • Raili
    Raili Member Posts: 435
    edited March 2010

    Btw, the blood draw was for the clinical trial I'm participating in through my medical oncologist's office - it's not related to radiation!! 

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2010

    Another slam dunk for me today. Just completed my 8th treatment today. I missed yesterday because I was sick with stomach virus. I thought of you all when I slammed my robe into the basket!  I get a break tomorrow because the team is recalibrating the radiation machines, so it's a 3 day weekend for me! Yay!

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