What we WISH people would say.

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I've vented quite a bit about the dumb/thoughtless things people have said to me through this adventure.  Thought it might be useful to post what we WISH our friends, family, co-workers would say. 

Maybe if we could come up with a good, comprehensive list, it would be helpful to loved ones who come here looking for words.

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  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited March 2010
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2010

    You must be scared. Would you like a hug?

  • lmays
    lmays Member Posts: 114
    edited March 2010

    Exactly, Barbe!  Would have loved it if anyone had acknowledged I might be scared.  Seems so simple, but nobody said it - until I came here.

  • molly52
    molly52 Member Posts: 389
    edited March 2010

    One friend listened quietly while I talked about my feelings and fears.  From this she picked up on a what she could do to help.  A long-time friend and a very good listener.

  • friscosmom
    friscosmom Member Posts: 146
    edited March 2010

    I can't imagine what you must be going through but I'm here for you what-ever you need.

  • lmays
    lmays Member Posts: 114
    edited March 2010

    How about, "I love you and this sux" repeated as many times as necessary.

  • cancersucks
    cancersucks Member Posts: 156
    edited October 2010

    Friscosmom hit the nail on the head...

     "If you need anything I'll be here for you." (and then do the unthinkable, actually mean it.)

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2010

    I've had people say "if you need anything..." and then I never hear from them again! I have tried to call in a couple "favours" from that offer and got brushed off! To me those words are trite. So like you say, MEAN IT!!!

  • marmsie
    marmsie Member Posts: 59
    edited March 2010

    Because I'm a "two-fer" and the second bout was less obvious (no chemo, no hair loss) I did not let a lot of people know about it. It really made life easier - I learned that hard lesson from round one. A couple of good friends who did know were very awesome about regularly asking the right questions to get me to talk. They knew I was being pretty private about it. They were not shy about asking the pointed questions that got me to say things outloud. They were not afraid to hear it and they were smart enough to just let me talk about it once I got going.

    Mostly if someone can't say something thoughtfully, sincerely and mean it - just shut up.

  • Beach
    Beach Member Posts: 127
    edited March 2010
    ACTIONS instead of (sometimes) meaningless words....my family and friends who actually "got it" would  just do things instead of saying they would do things if I just asked.  For instance, preparing food first and then calling to say they wanted to drop by because they had done something for me.  I loved these gestures!!  While we're going through this h*ll, we don't always know what we need or want, or we just don't want to be a bother to anyone.
  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited March 2010

    "I am bringing you dinner on Thursday, and have gotten a food tree going so people will be bringing dinner twice a week during your chemo." and "Where is a calendar? You go ahead and pencil me in to drive you to radiation on the following dates." Both were things said to ME during my treatment, and very much appreciated. Now I know what is REALLY helpful when other people are going through health challenges, and try to pay it backwards.

  • LeapFrog39
    LeapFrog39 Member Posts: 101
    edited May 2010

    Just a good hug works for me.

  • greenfrog
    greenfrog Member Posts: 269
    edited March 2010

    "I love you and this whole bloody thing stinks."

    That is all I need to hear. I don't like big gestures and offers of help. I just like to know that people are thinking kindly of me and my child and my parents as we deal with this horrible thing.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited March 2010

    I had a friend who I know put me on her calendar because she called me every Sunday night, just to see how I was doing. It was a real gift!

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited March 2010

    I'm sorry this happened to you.

  • Raili
    Raili Member Posts: 435
    edited March 2010

    I've had a lot of people say variations of, "Let me know if there's anything I can do to help!", and I appreciate it but also have a hard time asking for help.  I wish people would be more specific and say things like:

    "I'd like to come over and do your dishes.  Would Tuesday afternoon work for you?"

    I also like: "You're amazing!  I love you!"

  • BossyRenee
    BossyRenee Member Posts: 77
    edited March 2010
    Sometimes LESS is MORE. Sometimes they don't have to say anything; just come and sit on the porch with you during sunny days with a nice tall glass of tea and just listen to the crickets.Cool
  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited March 2010
    Renee, that sounds wonderful! I would love to come over, drink tea and listen to crickets. (especially since it's about 32 degrees here; no sun, no crickets,I guess I could drink some teaSmile!)
  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited March 2010

    My cousin, who lived in Michigan at the time (I'm in Maine) called almost every evening while I was in rads.  She would ask "How are you today?" and then really listen.  If I changed the subject, she went along with it.  If I cried and whined, she sympathized.  If I was angry she came up with ways to get even. If I was scared she offered to come out and visit. She never told me to "be positive" or to look for the "bright side" of things.  Sometimes we talked for an hour, sometimes just a few minutes.  Her call was the one thing I could look forward to and depend on during that time.  If only more people could have just accepted my feelings the way she did. . .

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2010

    All good points. I think people think we need them to "fix it" or something. We don't!

    I also don't want pity! Yell But...if someone said "Oh, you poor sweet thing, let me give you a hug" boy I'd take it.

  • nwood450
    nwood450 Member Posts: 110
    edited March 2010

    How about this.... taken from the NY Times .. Dana Jennings ... I think it's one of the most powerful things I've ever read ...It pretty much, says it all ...

    WITH CANCER ... WORDS ARE INADEQUATE

    We're all familiar with sentences like this one: Mr. Smith died yesterday after a long battle with cancer. We think we know what it means, but we read it and hear it so often that it carries little weight, bears no meaning. It's one of the clichés of cancer.

    It is easy shorthand. But it says more about the writer or speaker than it does about the deceased. We like to say that people "fight" cancer because we wrestle fearfully with the notion of ever having the disease. We have turned cancer into one of our modern devils.

    But after staggering through prostate cancer and its treatment - surgery, radiation and hormone therapy - the words "fight" and "battle" make me cringe and bristle.

    I sometimes think of cancer as a long and difficult journey, a quest out of Tolkien, or a dark waltz - but never a battle. How can it be a battle when we patients are the actual battleground? We are caught in the middle, between our doctors and their potential tools of healing and the cell-devouring horde.

    We become a wasteland, at once infested by the black dust of cancer and damaged by the "friendly fire" of treatment. And ordinary language falls far short of explaining that keen sense of oblivion.

    As a patient, it's hard to articulate how being seriously ill feels. In a profound way, we are boiled down to our essential animal selves. We crave survival. We long for pain to end, for ice chips on parched lips, for the brush of a soft hand.

    It pays to have a positive outlook, I think, but that in no way translates to "fighting" cancer. Cancer simply is. You can deny its presence in your body, cower at the thought or boldly state that you're going to whup it. But the cancer does not care. You're here, the cancer has arrived, and the disease is going to feed until your doctors destroy it or, at least, discourage it.

    Then there's the matter of bravery. We call cancer patients "brave," perhaps, because the very word cancer makes most of us tremble in fear. But there is nothing brave about showing up for surgery or radiation sessions. Is a tree brave for still standing after its leaves shrivel and fall? Bravery entails choice, and most patients have very little choice but to undergo treatment.

    Which brings me to "victim." I didn't feel like a victim when I learned that I had cancer. Sure, I felt unlucky and sad and angry, but not like a victim. And I have no patience for the modern cult of victimology.

    Victim implies an assailant, and there is no malice or intent with cancer. Some cells in my body mutinied, and I became a host organism - all of it completely organic and natural.

    And what are we once treatment ends? Are we survivors? I don't feel much like a survivor in the traditional (or even reality TV) sense. I didn't crawl from a burning building or come home whole from a tour of duty in Afghanistan.

    I'm just trying to lead a positive postcancer life, grateful that my surging Stage 3 cancer has been turned aside, pleased that I can realistically think about the future. I'm trying to complete the metamorphosis from brittle husk to being just me again.

    The phrase "salvage radiation" is not used much anymore, but when one doctor said it in reference to my treatment, it made me feel less human and more like a "case." It meant I needed radiation after surgery, because the cancer was more aggressive than expected - I needed to be "salvaged."

    I felt as if I had been plopped into some screwy sequel to "Raise the Titanic!" - time to raise the U.S.S. Jennings, lads. Or maybe I was going to get picked up by a scrap-metal truck and then get zapped at Frank's Junkyard, laid out in the back seat of a 1960 Ford Fairlane.

    And I'm still troubled by this sentence, which I've heard many times: "Well, at least it's a good cancer." It's usually applied to cancers that are considered highly treatable, like those of the prostate and thyroid.

    Most people mean well, but the idea of a good cancer makes no sense. At best, the words break meaninglessly over the patient. There are no good cancers, just as there are no good wars, no good earthquakes.

    Words can just be inadequate. And as we stumble and trip toward trying to say the right and true thing, we often reach for the nearest rotted-out cliché for support. Better to say nothing, and offer the gift of your presence, than to utter bankrupt bromides.

    Silences make us squirm. But when I was sickest, most numbed by my treatment, it was more than healing to bask in a friend's compassionate silence, to receive and give a hug, to be sustained by a genuine smile.

    Strangely enough, although cancer threatened my life it also exalted it, brought with it a bright and terrible clarity.

    So, no, cancer isn't a battle, a fight. It's simply life - life raised to a higher power.

    • Love to all my BC Sisters,

    • Nancy

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited March 2010

    Wow! Thanks Nancy.

  • NativeMainer
    NativeMainer Member Posts: 10,462
    edited March 2010

    AMEN!  Thanks, Nancy!

  • Beach
    Beach Member Posts: 127
    edited March 2010

    Nancy, that captured it all....brilliant!!

  • lmays
    lmays Member Posts: 114
    edited March 2010

    Great post, Nancy!

  • dash
    dash Member Posts: 766
    edited March 2010
    Wow, that really does say it all, doesn't it?Smile
  • moogie
    moogie Member Posts: 499
    edited March 2010

     I would have liked it if some of the nimrods in my family at at my job just said:

    " you are really having a hard time and this sucks. Want to try to forget for a while and go to the movies?"

    One friend who was a great support, helped me learn to find 'better living through distraction'. When you can't change the cruddy stuff, just find anything that can make you forget for a minute and laugh. 

  • dash
    dash Member Posts: 766
    edited March 2010

    Exactly moogie! This is what I tried to tell my family and friends when I was going thru chemo. Make me laugh, distract me and give me something to look forward towards so I can drag myself thru another day feeling there is light at the end.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited March 2010

    I rented all the old Johnny Carson shows and watched them when I was doing chemo. I had always wanted to watch them but had never taken the time. So I wish people would say, "Here is a complete set of your favorite funny TV series, all of the seasons. "

  • lmays
    lmays Member Posts: 114
    edited March 2010

    Two friends called me to say they were "bringing lunch today."  When they got to my house they had all kinds of fun finger foods and desserts which they set up in glass bowls and china dishes.  It was like a grown-up tea party.  We giggled and munched and had a big time.  I just appreciated the effort so much.  So unexpected and thoughtful.

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