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I am diagnosed with Stage 1 Breast Cancer.Tumor is PR+ and ES+. Lumpectomy done and cancer not spread to lymph nodes. All oncologist and ob/gyn opinions in my case are that I cannot get off of Prempro. I become so dibilitated that they cannot and will not treatment with radiation or anything. Because I must be on Prempro, I cannot take Tamoxifin over the five year course. All that is being offered to me by my docs is "chemo" with a 1%-5% chance it will stop a recurrance of breast cancer in bones or lungs, followed by standard radiation treatment. HELP! Anyone having the same issues with dibilitating menopause (we have tried all HRTalternatives with no success) and treatment problem for breast cancer? Terribly worried as prognosis without the five year course of Tamoxifin is very poor. Help!

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited January 2010

    Still Verticle ~ Without knowing a lot more about your menopause problems, I am shocked that any doctor would okay your staying on Prempro after a breast cancer diagnosis.  So, my first thought is that you need additional opinions on that from an Oncologist who specializes in breast cancer.  No matter how you slice it, the estrogen in the Prempro is feeding or fueling your bc and will most likely continue to create problems for you in the future.

    Have you tried making any nutritional changes to help with your menopause symptoms?  I would suggest consulting with a naturopathic doctor who can work with you on nutrition and supplements to help with the problems you're having.  They can also do some important bloodwork to see where your estrogen levels are, as well as thyroid, vitamin D, and the other things that impact our breast health.

    As far as the Tamoxifen goes, you might want to read through the Natural Girls thread here.  There's lots of good information in it about hormone balancing, and quite a few of us are doing natural things to moderate our estrogen in lieu of Tamoxifen or an Aromatese Inhibitor.  But I'm not sure how effective anything would be if you continue to take Prempro, which is totally counterproductive to achieving lower estrogen levels.  JMHO as a long-time Prempro user who had to go cold turkey when diagnosed  ~   Deanna

    Editing to add, Wow! What a photo!  Are you a mountain climber?  If so, where was it taken?

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited January 2010

    Maybe this is a dumb and insensitive question:

    StillVerticle, what is it about your menopausal symptoms that are so "debilitating"?  From what you are saying, it sounds like you are physiologically dependent on PremPro.  ("All oncologist and ob/gyn opinions in my case are that I cannot get off of Prempro. I become so dibilitated that they cannot and will not treatment with radiation or anything. Because I must be on Prempro, I cannot take Tamoxifin...".  I didn't know that was possible.

    I understand how difficult it can be to deal with the symptoms of menopause. I've been fairly lucky -- my symptoms were mild when I went through natural menopause 6 years ago; and now that I'm experiencing them again on Arimidex, they are still mild.  But I've talked with a close relative of mine who had severe mood swings and other problems she attributed to menopause.  She felt much better on HRT, which she took for 10 years -- right up until the day she found out about my cancer diagnosis.  She weaned herself off HRT by gradually decreasing the dose, and is now off completely, from what I've been told.  I think her menopause symptoms have been easier for her to manage, now that she realizes the risk she was taking by staying on HRT.

    You really need to get your situation evaluated by someone who can look at the big picture -- your hormone levels, your BC recurrence risk, and even your emotional state (if that's the main problem).  There are some terrific medical centers in NC.  Have you been to one of those?

    otter 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2010

    I'm sorry you're having so many problems.  I was lucky that my menopause was not a big problem..or even a problem.  However, my gyn still suggested a drug like Prempro..FemHrt.  When the bad news came in about these hormones I promptly too myself off...cold turkey.  I never experienced a hot flash before the two drugs, nor did I after I went off.  I don't think I ever needed them.  Anway, I blame the hormones on the two drugs because the combination is worse than just estrogen.  However, I certainly wouldn't take estrogen while being treated for bc.

    Gosh, I'm like the other gals.  GET ANOTHER OPINION.  This just seems weird. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2010

    Thanks for the questions and concern from all. But the responses are equally frustrating.I thought there might be one other woman out there who has the key to this delimma. I am desperate for a "silver bullet" solution. My grandmother, cousin and I are in an extremely rare category when it comes to menopause symptoms. I get 5 minutes an hour where I am Ok. The rest of the hour I have water running off of me and I am vomiting most of the time. My cognitive ability and emotions drop like a stone and the symptoms never abate. I am on medication for depression and stable (doubles supposedly as an alternative to treat the menopause issue). The result is nada. The docs had me in a hospital for six weeks trying to get me off of the Prempro. My entire treatment team (including consults) say they have never seen anything like "me." Despite the horrible risk, they all are in agreement that they cannot try to treat the cancer if I am off of Prempro. And yes, this is the wierdest thing I have encountered and I am a retired nurse with a Doctorate in Geriatrics. I am floored. When docs met with me this week, it felt like they were giving me a death sentence though noone wanted to say it outloud. It was written on their faces and in the stats they gave me. I have a number of autoimmune disorders and this time around I got simply so deathly ill (this was in a hospital in North Carolina at one of the best cancer facilities). When I went into menopause 20 years ago, the same symptoms hit like this. Unknown if hypothyroidism or another "Autonomic" disease that I have is creating the issue. I truly burned my body as an alcoholic but I now have 21 years sober. The only hope that I am given by docs is to go through Chemo and radiation with my treatment team agreeing that they will try to wean me off of Prempro again in four months. If that works (pray to God) I can go on the Tamox and still be in the treatment window for the drug. Meanwhile, I am working on major lifestyle changes in hope that it will give me a leg up when we do move to trying to wean me off Prempro again. And yes, I am a climber-the photo of me was taken on a climb of Mount Everest. Blessings to all.

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited January 2010
    [StillVerticle posted while I was composing this post. After reading her latest information, I realized what I had typed here was irrelevant; so I deleted it.  I have no "silver bullet" to offer.  This sounds like something that ought to be researched in the "Rare Diseases" section of the NIH website.  Sorry.]

    otter 

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited January 2010

    StillVerticle ~ Obviously, none of us can grasp what you're going through, but for what they're worth, I wanted to add a couple of thoughts.  First, I'm wondering if BHRT (bioidentical hormones), which can be customized to your needs, wouldn't perhaps be a better option than synthetic HRT (Prempro).  And while many women take Tamoxifen, there are some very serious potential SEs that may not make it right for you anyway, especially in view of your pre-existing autoimmune condition.  And women certainly survived bc prior to Tamox, and many women who try it have to go off of it due to severe SEs anyway and do just fine. 

    I'm also a bit confused as to why your docs are even recommending Tamox., as you seem to be post-menopausal or close to it, in which case an Aromotase Inhibitor is usually the recommendation.  Also, there are several natural aromatese inhibitors that you might be able to tolerate.  There are quite a few of us on a thread here called "Natural Girls" who are using alternatives like I3C, DIM and Myomin, in lieu of Tamox or A/I drug. 

    Your condition sounds extremely baffling.  I truly hope you can find a team of doctors who can give you answers and hope, and I wouldn't rule out an integrative approach as possibly being able to offer you more solutions than traditional medicine alone.    Deanna

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited January 2010

    [StillVerticle has probably hit her 5-post limit for the day.  She can still communicate via pm's, though...]

  • ktym
    ktym Member Posts: 2,637
    edited January 2010

    StillVerticle, just wanted to chime in with a little sympathy.  I have a relative who had extremely debilitating menopausal symptoms, plus strange allergic reactions to some of the HRT meds.  Arguing with insurance companies about why generics really won't work etc.  It can be lonely having an unusual problem.  It wasn't great, but she did better on evista when she eventually needed it (just a thought).  But, mostly wanted to say I'm sorry you're in this boat, after all you've been through,  you must feel very panicked and very scared about getting people to listen to you before trying things. Hugs to you.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2010

    I believe we all feel helpless.

    I do know a woman who had breast cancer.  She, of course, had to go off of HRTs.  Finally she told her doctor she HAD to have them for QOL.  She was desperate.  She said she'd sign papers that she would not sue due to neglect.  They finally gave in.  I don't know if she took just estrogen or the combo.

    I agree with dlb823.  Go to the Alternative thread and click on "Natural Girls."  I believe that's the name of the thread.  They have lots of info.  Some are even doing Iodine...there seems there may be a connection.  I haven't studied up on it enough to know.

    I know you're frustrated and I was afraid you would think we were being flip in our answers to you.  I'm glad you came back and explained.  I think I knew anyway because of the casual friend I was talking about.

    I'm from N.C. too and go to Duke.  There are some good teaching hospitals here.  And, there's no guarantee that any HTs, e.g. Tamox or AIs, will prevent recurrence or mets.  I was on Arimidex and now have a lesion on one of my vertabra that, after biopsying it, showed cancer cells.  There's just no guarantee to them darned disease.

    Let us know how you are doing.

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited January 2010

    Why is your Stage I, node-negative prognosis poor? Usually Stage I gals have an excellent prognosis.

     If finding a way to get off of prempro isn't possible then probably you should learn to live with the risk. 

    Life is about choices. We're making them even when we don't think we are. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2010

    So sorry,I have been off this thread for awhile. I actually have Stage IIa and I cannot get off of prempro. The treatment team has tried three times this year and consensus is that i will never be able to get off of it. The chemo was offered as "adjunctive therapy." I did not listen to my body and my own needs and went with the gold standard treatment of a CT chemo combo. i had one chemo and it damned near killed me-for real. My body does not metabolize Taxotere so I have been deathly ill and am still quite ill. now they want to wait until I am a little stronger and do a bi-lat mastectomy (take away the breast tissue; stay on the prempro; take away further breast problems). I am so very lost in all of this and ready to give up. To many docs who are supposed to know about BC with too many different ideas. It is astounding. How in God's name do we make an informed choice for ourselves. SV

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