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  • juliempw
    juliempw Member Posts: 383
    edited March 2010

    I posted some updated pictures including one lying down showing how they slide to the sides.  You all can only look if you ignore the mess in the room though!

    Kristinka, I don't know about you but I think I got an extra worry gene so if it's not this it'll be something else for me.  Now that I think about it, it's kinda nice to be worrying about this and not the worries of the past several months.  If I were Samantha, I'd twitch my little nose and be ridof this whole mess--but I still would have somehow met all you wonderful people!

    Julie 

  • bcincolorado
    bcincolorado Member Posts: 5,758
    edited March 2010

    It is so encouraging to read about the exchange surgery being so much easier!  That helps ease my mind!  My PS also had told me most women don't have pain during the fill and that needle HURT going in!

    Nedeza I'll probably end up doing my non-surgical side to match at the same time as the exchange as well, so that was interesting to learn it was more painful for you than the exhange side.  I know my PS nurse said some women just decide they've had enough surgery and do not do the other side to match, but I kind of think that I've gone through all of this to look somewhat "normal" again, I might as well be as "normal" as I can at this point.

    I haven't been wearing a bra at all at this point. I tried again today and made it about 4 hours before it had to go.  I think having the TE in place just made it too uncomfortable.  I just wear little spaghetti strap tees under my blouses.  Of course I wear LARGE ones so no one can tell I'm "off"....at least physically!Smile

  • NavyMom
    NavyMom Member Posts: 1,099
    edited March 2010

    Hi everybody.  Just checking in.  I am having some trouble with nausea again today.  Taking my left over zofran from chemo and that seems to be helping.  I took off the ace wrap and put on my sports bra.  The girls look pretty good, except rightie looks a little bruised and kind of beat up.  But both are soft and squishy!!  Still having a considerable amount of pain on the right side too.      A big thank you to the person on this thread that suggested buying the sports bra at JC Penney.  It is the zip up the front model.  I cannot imagine how I would have gotten a standard sports bra over my head, shoulders and then cross over my tender foobs.  What a great find this zip up bra is.  Thanks again whover shared this info. 

    Navy

  • kittycat
    kittycat Member Posts: 2,144
    edited March 2010

    Since I've had an augmentation, I know where my crease is supposed to be.  I never had any issues with bottoming out.  Hopefully this isn't the case.  The left has always been a bit higher.  I have pectus excavatum  - indented chest - so my rib cage is a little different that most people's.  I'll see what my PS has to say on Wednesday - St. Patrick's day!!!  Woo Hoo - here's to being Irish!!!

    I have had the worse time with insomnia lately.  Last night I woke up at 1 am and could not go back to sleep.  Normally, I wake up at 4 am and can't sleep.  I've had a lot of stress lately.  I was thinking of seeing my GP about it.  Work has been crazy.  I was thinking about the post about being 15 days out.  I did a business trip at 14 days out.  It was just a day trip, but one of the ladies from my company's cancer support group called me.  She told me to not do so much and take it easy.   This might be my problem with bottoming out (if that's the case).  Everyone at work thinks I'm normal and okay (including my boss, I think).  sucks working in a male dominated industry!  :(

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited March 2010

    I am glad Kristen remembers the fipple show I put on and I am getting frustrated to know that no matter what I wear, I am putting on a fipple freakshow!  I did resort to wearing my VS push up bra which, after wearing much more comfortable Natori bras for the past four months, feels like the Renaissance faire bra all over again.   It covers my nipples but it makes me look cartoonishly large.  I am frankly looking forward very much to the shriveling process. 

  • juliempw
    juliempw Member Posts: 383
    edited March 2010

    Get this!  I showed my husband two pictures--one from 4 weeks ago and one from today.  He starts talking about how much better they look.  Turns out he thought the picture 4 weeks ago was the one from today sooooo he's either lying to me just to shut me up and make me feel good or they really looked better 4 weeks ago.  I'm pretty sure he's lying because they did not look better four weeks ago!  Now how do I know what opinions have been honest and which were not--great now I get to go back into my own overanalyzing mode!

     Navy, Sure hope you feel better soon.

    kittycat, I know the feeling.  You look okay so everybody assumes your back to normal.  It's very frustrating, hang in there!  I actually called in sick a couple times and said I was an emotional reck and needed a mental day.  My supervisor started to get it after that.

    Julie 

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited March 2010

    kittycat:  I am finally, just recently, coming out of my insomnia phase.  I do not quite understand the origins of this....whether it could be related to surgery.....to anesthesia.  It was driving me crazy, as I did not want to take RX meds and while benedryl always worked in the past, since I am on Tamoxifen I cannot take this any longer.  So I am finally, without the help of meds, coming out of this and getting to sleep within fifteen minutes at night.  I have acquired this habit though and I cannot go to sleep unless I have read for a half hour or so before turning out the light.  So know that this bout with insomnia  is something which will resolve.  And then, of course, some other weird little annoyance will pop up to take its place! 

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited March 2010

    Deborah,

    can you tell me the Natori bras you like the most. for everyday wear?

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited March 2010

    I have had insomnia since Dx. While on Chemo.. I was so drug induced.. I slept... but this past year since chemo ended/.. I had to take something to sleep more than 5 hours. I know we need 7 min. Now, as I found out lack of sleep is keeping me in pain, I take flexural... and I sleep 7-9 hours at night...

  • Luna5
    Luna5 Member Posts: 738
    edited March 2010

    YAY Judy...glad you are finally there. 

  • Lynbob
    Lynbob Member Posts: 140
    edited March 2010

    To the ladies who have had exchange already...  I am so glad to hear that it is night and day easier than the bmx! Did any of you come home with drains?

  • kittycat
    kittycat Member Posts: 2,144
    edited March 2010

    I never had trouble with sleeping until my dad passed away 2 years ago.  Since the night he passed away, I cannot sleep like normal.  Almost very night I wake up at 4 am.  I started feeling back to normal and then my sister went through BC.  Then, with me going through it.  2 years of hell. 

     Anyway, my stress at work doesn't help.  There have been a few people who have been terrible to me.  They don't know exactly what is wrong with me, but they know I've had "health issues."  To them, it's all about the money.  I've realized through this journey, there's a lot more to life than just work and material stuff.  :)

    I feel bad for my hubby.  He has to suffer through my drama, but he's been very supportive.  He thinks we should be more active and that might be true. 

  • musiclovermom
    musiclovermom Member Posts: 452
    edited March 2010

    Lynbob - no drains for me!

  • Delilahbear
    Delilahbear Member Posts: 466
    edited March 2010

    Kittycat: You have really been through a lot in the past two years and then for people to be terrible to you, it's no wonder you have been unable to sleep. What has finally worked for me is the Xanax. My BS gave it to me to take just before bed and usually it takes the edge off and turns my mind off and I sleep pretty well. I hate the drugs, but they sometimes are the best. I take .5mg and actually started taking it in the morning to keep the stress down during the day and the spasms away after BMX and exchange. I also try and read for 20-30 min before bed to ease into sleep.

    I know how you feel about people being terrible to you, my boss has begun to treat me really terrible (and she's a woman). Most of this happened when I began this journey last summer. She won't let me off work to take DH to the Dr. after he had a trip to emergency room, wouldn't let me have an an extra day or two off after my exchange and nip surgery. Had it Friday and was back to work on the following Monday. Her thoughts were that I had a week off before surgery and should have had the surgery earlier in the week. Never mind that I work in same hospital where I had the surgery and we scheduled surgery earlier and then the OR changed it. It was out of my control. She just doesn't understand and my thoughts are she is jealous of some other things with me and is somehow afraid of me, like I want her job (LOL). My feelings are she is lucky I did not have to undergo chemo treatment and rads. I think she doesn't understand my decisions for prophy BMX and she thinks I was looking for an easy way out and new "Boobs". It surely wasn't her going through all of the anxiety of the repeat mammos, ultrasounds, MRI and multiple biopsies. The point here is that those who are terrible to us just don't understand and that they live in their own pathetic worlds. I figure what goes around comes around and I have outlasted several bosses of her demeanor. I just don't talk to her unless I have to and try to keep my situation to myself at work.

    I hope things get better for you and you have my good thoughts and prayers. Hang in there and it will get better. 

  • CDB
    CDB Member Posts: 47
    edited March 2010

    Facecrafter/Judy

    I share your excitement - Kathy and I are 4 days before you! 

    For everyone, recent exchanges and up-comings, what are your plans for Easter/Passover  I usually roast a 10 pound leg of lamb for Greek Easter.  Perfect time for my step daughter to learn how to marinate it, she's always made the red eggs.  DH can help with cooking the lamb.  I thought of going to a restaurant but some traditions are hard to give up.

    Delilah and Kittycat, it's too bad some people can be so thoughtless and selfish.  Hopefully they'll get transferred soon!  Thank God for weekends!

    Cindy

  • juliempw
    juliempw Member Posts: 383
    edited March 2010

    kittycat, I'm so sorry you've had such a rough couple of years.  I agree, work is not that important.  Maybe finding a new hobby with your husband is a good idea.  What are you guys interested in?  I agree with Delilahbear, there are people that just don't get it and for some reason they seem think we want attention.  I recently told my boss that if she ever talked to me about a part of my job again, I would give her two weeks notice on the spot.  There are just some things that are not worth it.  As far as taking time off, I have no patience for that.  If you need it, take it, call in sick can they prove otherwise??  I'd like to see them write that one up!

    Lynbob, no drains for me either but I know there are a few women who have had them.  It seems that some PS's do the routinely for exchange.

    Julie 

  • Alitman
    Alitman Member Posts: 141
    edited March 2010

    Val - I just looked at your pic and my slippage is much worse.  It puills so much that when I am barely leaning back without a bra, I get a HUGE dent in my chest.  I was so very disappointed that my Dr thought this was "more natural".  I am so happy to have decided to see the new PS. 

    The drive may be difficult if I need to see him - but I believe it will all be worth it in the end.

    Allie

  • Maggie66
    Maggie66 Member Posts: 180
    edited March 2010

    Yay for you, Judy! I'm rooting for you! Maggie

  • Hannahbearsmom
    Hannahbearsmom Member Posts: 431
    edited March 2010

    Lynbob:   No drains for me either--my PS said she rarely uses them for exchanges.

    Estepp:   I have a very comfortable Natori bra style #739495 that I bought at Nordstrom's to wear during my TE phase.

    TCK

  • Kristinka
    Kristinka Member Posts: 520
    edited March 2010

    Delilahbear and Kittycat, I'm sorry you have been having such a difficult time with unsupportive people in your life.  It totally sucks. 

    Re insomnia and unsupportive people, I know it well. My college has been on a firing frenzy for a few years, and last summer they tried to end my contract early on the same day that pathologists reconfirmed their diagnosis of cancer.   Worst day ever: cancer and no job!!!!  I actually had to laugh - could life get any suckier?  On that day I completely stopped sleeping, and even though things got  better at work, I had to start using Lunesta.  Last week my Lunesta ran out, and surprise surprise I'm sleeping ok.  I still am up for 1-2 hours during the night, but that's normal for me.  Perhaps when we get through the surgeries, treatments and pain sleep becomes possible again?

  • KEW
    KEW Member Posts: 745
    edited March 2010

    Deborah--Can you bump up the article on fat grafts you posted ages ago?  Maybe we can get it added to the top of the page?

    Hugs to everyone!

    Karen

  • Lynbob
    Lynbob Member Posts: 140
    edited March 2010

    I had so much fluid with the mastectomy that it took a long time to have my drains removed. After the PS removed them I developed seromas and PS had to drain them (ugh)  He said some people are more inclined towards developing the fluid and I seem to be one of them. He expects to send me home with drains. I hope they are more manageable. I didn't want to go back to work with them after the bmx but it sounds like I may have to after the exchange.

    Big hugs for all of you who are not being treated with kindness. Delilahbear, are you able to get FMLA so that you can not be penalized for needing time off for your surgery and recovery?

  • Kristinka
    Kristinka Member Posts: 520
    edited March 2010

    Best wishes to all of those having surgery this week!  5 exchanges and 1 nips! That's an exciting week, and I wish you all easy surgeries and rapid recoveries.  Remember to take it very easy after surgery.  I've been feeling pretty good these past three days, so it took me 3 weeks to start feeling stronger and more like my old self.

    Lynbob - no drains for me either, but plenty of percoset and napping that first week.

  • NVDiane
    NVDiane Member Posts: 245
    edited March 2010

    Lynbob, Judy, bcincolorado, and all others on "Yippee Squishy" countdown:

    I had two surgeries: exchange on my cancer side and, three months later, lift and augment on "good" side, combined with fipple creation on cancer side.  I didn't need drains for either surgery.  The exchange-only surgery was very easy for me, and I had no pain at all.  The longer surgery, I had some discomfort on the "good" side, but I wouldn't even call it pain.  Both were night and day easier than the mastectomy.  I hope you have it as easy as I did!!

    Diane

  • NVDiane
    NVDiane Member Posts: 245
    edited March 2010

    Delilahbear and Kittycat:

    I think we all need to put one of my favorite bumper stickers on our cars:

    MEAN PEOPLE SUCK!!!

    They really do! I was very lucky with my boss.  His mother had breast cancer twenty years ago, and maybe because of that, because he knew what I was going through, he was very kind and understanding, even when I was a total mess, mentally and emotionally.  On the other hand, one of my younger female co-workers tried to get him to fire me, saying I couldn't do the job anymore.  So, you just never know.  For some strange reason, the guys at my workplace were kinder to me than the women??? To me that's really strange; I didn't understand it, and I still don't....

    Diane

  • Nedeza
    Nedeza Member Posts: 666
    edited March 2010

    Kittykat & Deliahbear~

    Sorry to hear of what you've had to go through...especially with such uncaring people!  Certainly with what we have had to go through we have found out who really gives us support...who really do not.  Fortunately in my dental office my front office mgr. had BC & another had lost her husband to cancer.  They knew I needed to do what needed to get done.  I am grateful for that!  Support from my workplace was great but there are others I care to forget about for their lack of support.  Same with friends...you find out quickly who are there for you & who are not.  I know half the time it is probably because these friends do not know what to say...I don't blame them because the line "I know how you must feel" is not in their vocabulary when it comes to this.  This why THIS forum is so wonderful!!!  We can share our thoughts or vent without feeling like a complainer or feeling like we are burdening everyone.                                                         Thank you ladies for being there!

  • whippetmom
    whippetmom Member Posts: 6,920
    edited March 2010

    Laura: It is Natori 136001 and 33495.  The 136001 has more coverage.  Both have memory foam cups. You might want to go down one band size....but go to Dillards and try them on first....

    http://www.freshpair.com/womens/Natori/bras.html

    Karen: Here is the fat graft transfer link mentioning my doctor's studies.  But I know there are more recent abstracts out there re: this procedure.  I'll find some.

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/583239

    And one more:

    http://www.behindthemedicalheadlines.com/articles/lipofilling-a-role-in-breast-reconstruction-surgery

  • juliempw
    juliempw Member Posts: 383
    edited March 2010
    Allie, Mine do not slip to the side when I'm standing so I think you're right, it's good that you found a new PS.Lynbob, I also had to have fluid removed every few days after mastectomy but not a problem at all after exchange.  I was actually concerned about my PS choosing not to put drains but all was okay.  It's probably good to have them and hopefully get lucky and get them removed quickly Alicia, Thank you for the sweet comment on the picture forum!Julie 
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2010

    Julie - Yes, my ps was convinced that my implant would continue to migrate if the pocket wasn't reinforced.  He said that gravity just exerts its force  - he described it as putting a ball on a slanted table - which is rather what our implants are in relation to our ribs.....and my dh did take the pic....I'm completely untalented in that respect....don't even know how to upload them frankly.... And believe me, you're not the only one with the extra worry gene - I think I got the motherlode!  

    Speaking of worrying and talking about symmetry, I have a new concern.....I can finally lift my arm up over my head (yippee!) to put on a t-shirt, so yesterday I wore a tight top to work out in.  Much to my dismay, I realized that my left side is markedly (IMO) smaller than the right.  Prior to my revision, the left side had issues with projection, but I figured it was because it was so kattywompus.  There seems to still be some projection difference - if I bend over and look at them in the mirror from that angle anyway.  There is also significant difference in upper pole fullness.  I'm not sure if I should be fully "fluffed" at this point; it took 12 weeks with my initial exchange and virgin pecs, so I'd think there wouldn't be much left to fluff this time with just a fresh implant.  Luckily my dh is out of town this weekend, or he'd have me committed by now......  Any advice ladies?  

    kristinka - it probably doesn't surprise you that I loved Bewitched, too......

    lynbob - I did have drains, but then again, my ps always uses them.  By the third time I was wishing I'd just had permanent holes made in the sides of my chest.....I also tend to keep them for a good while, though after the revision they were only in 6 days.

    Allie - ohhhhh...sorry that your slippage is worse....and even more sorry that your old ps wasn't concerned......thank goodness you found a new one!

    ((((Kittycat))))))

    My problem with sleep isn't falling asleep - I do that just fine - it's STAYING asleep.  Since I started the tamox I just wake up and am ready for the day at somewhat inappropriate times - like 4:42am - oddly I really do wake up at nearly the same time several days of the week.  Thank goodness I can sometimes go back to sleep....other times I just get up....you'd be amazed at what you can accomplish in the couple of hours before the rest of the house arises...

  • bcincolorado
    bcincolorado Member Posts: 5,758
    edited March 2010

    Lynbob-my PS told me when I was there that I would not have to deal with the drains after the exchange.  My husband had them after his transplant was done, but they did them in the hospital and they were gone before he got released.  Doing that stuff at home was defnitely not high on my "joys of life" list!

    Diane-I love the "yippee squishy" phrase!  That's great!  What a wonderful thought!

    For all of you dealing with icky bosses, I am so sorry for you.  In the big scheme of life there is so much more important stuff going on!

    Best of luck to everyone having surgery this week!

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