Four rounds of AC only???

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mamaof3bugs
mamaof3bugs Member Posts: 198

My onc has suggested that I have four rounds of DD AC every two weeks followed by neulasta the day after.  I have been reading as much as I can about TN and seem to find that TC is the most common 'cocktail.'  I am worried that it may not be enough, I am going to see another onc this week but I am worried that I will get a different opinion and then have to make a decision :(  I had no node involvement, clean margins, and all my scans came back clean.  I am just really worried that I will have a recurrence...my onc has offered the TC if I insist but I'm not sure I should.  Any thoughts??  Anyone do just four rounds of AC?  Thanks ladies.  Angi

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  • dawn2203
    dawn2203 Member Posts: 119
    edited March 2010

    Hi Angie, I only had 4 rounds of AC then 30 rounds of rads.I had clear margins but node involvement, I am now into my 4th year since diagnosis and doing well, Express your concerns to the other onc you are going to see, and I know other wonderful ladies on here will give you some good advice. Good luck. Hugs

    Dawn. x 

  • puddingirl84
    puddingirl84 Member Posts: 120
    edited March 2010

    mamaof3bugs- I don't know if this will help but this is my opinion. I was diagnosed with a second primary in Nov.2006 that was triple neg, nodes neg, 1.8 cm, stage1, grade 3. Because I knew nothing about triple neg then, I never questioned my regimen with my primary onc which was going to be A/C x4 and rads. I did see a second opinion onc, who said DD A/C+T. Second opinion onc did try try to explain the danger of triple neg and the need to fight it aggressively, but it all seemed Greek to me. I ran back to 1st opinion onc where things seemed more calm and peaceful, and not so fearful. I thought breast cancer was just breast cancer that had different names sometimes. 

    Fast foward to Nov.2009: triple neg recurrence. 3.5cm,clean scans, had clean mammo in July 2009. I had BMX in Jan.2010, will start chemo next week. Regimen will be Carboplatin and Taxol x 12 wks. or Carboplatin and Taxotere x 6 every 3 wks. I have to decide.

    I would be lying if I said I have no regrets about regimen 3 years ago. If my daughter got this horrible disease I would want her to fight it with ALL the nasty stuff her body could tolerate.

    You can't play around with this thing. You can't be conservative with this. This thing even sometimes bypasses the nodes and recurs. So with triple neg you can't get too excited about being node negative.

    There are a few Stage IV women who are node neg and triple neg. I am still amazed and saddened by that. What is research doing about this. My God!!

    But also question whether your onc is being conservative based on your health. Hypertension, Diabetes, etc. A good onc looks at the whole picture, I think. But get a second opinion anyway. 

    I don't like the side effects of strong chemo but I want to live.  I hope this helps you.

    Loads of hugs to you! 

    dawn2203- I see that you are er+, did your regimen include an AI for 5 years?

    To everyone- I know that all breast cancers can recur, but most do hit the nodes first, at least warning you. The triple neg has a different method of operation. But that's my opinion.

    Puddin'

  • dawn2203
    dawn2203 Member Posts: 119
    edited March 2010

    hi, yes i was prescribed tamoxifen, but the onc looking at changing it to Armidex due to some uterus problems.hugs

    Dawn. xx

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
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  • jbdragonfly
    jbdragonfly Member Posts: 6
    edited March 2010

    Interesting discussion. I had DD AC+T  I discussed Taxol with my onc as I had read research about it and asked her if I should consider it. She said it was not yet standard, but we could do it. She did say that she would not recommend to all patients similar to me because not all could make an informed decision about a nonstandard treatment.  I was healthy, 58 and gung ho to do everything I could. This was May 2008.  I am glad I did it and actually did ok with all the chemo. Did not miss much work for which I am very grateful to my body for being so sturdy.Grin  I also really appreciated being able to talk with my onc about these things and feel like I was being heard.

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited March 2010

    Sooo..Ang..what are you thinking here?   On here the doctors recommend a taxane of some sort...I too had very big margins (they took more because they thought my tumour was actually bigger than it was) and no nodes..but heck, if you are already getting the ac you may as well keep on going with the taxol...exra insurance...and taxol was ok...a little bit more muscular issues...but not quite like the ac...ac wasn't bad but....taxol's side effects were a little bit easier to deal with,.for one thing you don't have to take the Emend because the risk of throwing up is much less

  • mamaof3bugs
    mamaof3bugs Member Posts: 198
    edited March 2010

    We have decided to go to Seattle Cancer Care Alliance for treatments.  I spoke with an oncologist there today and felt at peace.  I have been so conflicted about my chemo, excited that I was getting off easy with only four rounds but I knew that wasn't what was best for me.  I will be having four rounds DD AC followed but four to six rounds of DD TC.  I feel so much more at ease but now I have to call and break up with my old onc LOL  Any suggestions Surprised?  Thank you for all of your insite and for nudging me in the right direction!  Hugs, Angi

  • chumfry
    chumfry Member Posts: 642
    edited March 2010

    Oh Angi, I am so glad you feel at peace with your decision. And I'm VERY glad you've decided to get the taxane. As for breaking up with your old onc, I don't know that you have to do anything. I think the new onc's office staff will call old onc's office and ask for the records to be transferred. If you've got an appt set up with old onc, call and cancel it.

    I think most doctors understand that people shop around for a good fit. That would include personality compatibility and also treatment plans. I think you've made a good decision. I changed plastic surgeons simply because of a personality conflict. You need to feel comfortable with your team. You are all working together to get you through this.

    --CindyMN 

  • nonijones333
    nonijones333 Member Posts: 120
    edited March 2010

    Just my two cents here...23 year TN survivor and had radiation only. 6 1/2 years ago another TN cancer in the other breast and this time bi-lateral mastectomy with no further treatment. This was my decision. First time I was stage one second time stage 2, and no further treatment. GO FIGURE....FYI  I eat what I want and still drink wine with every meal. I do take a one-a-day vitamin. I give my faith in God as credit to my joy and peace and try and not look back and wonder if this beast is going to get me, I would of wasted many years if I had just focused on cancer instead of living. I do sympathize with all of you and that is why I come here. There is no majic bullet, but I can tell you there are many survivors of this desease. God Bless you all...

  • rinna40
    rinna40 Member Posts: 357
    edited March 2010

    noni - thanks for the post. I was just putting together a care package of my chemo hats and scarves for a friend who is to start chemo soon. I had the thought, but what if I need these again. I stopped myself, and said I will never need these again. I have to trust that so I can just go ahead and live. I don't want to waste my healthy time worrying if I'll get sick again.

    FWIW: I had three rounds of FEC and then three rounds of Docetaxol.

  • mom2Bnegativex3
    mom2Bnegativex3 Member Posts: 221
    edited March 2010

    I am Tn too! I have had 4 DD of A/C and now will have surgery because the tumor is now gone. Then I will have 4 Taxol. I will be having a bilaterel. good luck!!

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited March 2010

    Thanks noni!  Love to hear your stories!  A co-worker of mine had tn six years ago..she had masectomy and 4 a/cs...that is all too..she is just fine!  It is just amazing that 6 years ago the ac was the in thing...now they have added taxol also...and that is a good thing!   My onc told me that in 5 years there will be something even better...!

  • pattypoo53
    pattypoo53 Member Posts: 46
    edited March 2010

     I was diagnosed in Dec 03, triple negative, stage IIA, atypical medullary,2.5cm, no nodes cancerous out of 24,lumpectomy, clear margins, no vascular invasion, did 4x ac three weeks apart then 4 x taxol three weeks apart 6 months total of chemo. Then 33 radiation treatments. I am over 6 years out and doing very well. My onc said to treat this very aggressively and I am glad I did! Just had a mammo and bloodwork all was normal, tumor markers have been low since I was diagnosed, I know some oncs don't do them, but mine thinks it's a good way to keep track of things. Do your own research and ask questions, and if you want a test done ask for it!! It's your body. Hugs Patty

  • kad22
    kad22 Member Posts: 191
    edited March 2010

    My onc has not mentioned radiation treatments at all to me. Should I ask about these or do you usually only get radiation when your lymph nodes and margins are not clear? Thanks.

  • Meggy
    Meggy Member Posts: 530
    edited March 2010

    Just 4 AC is not standard.  For those of us who have done chemo before surgery (neoadjuvant) we have a little insight.  Some ladies who had their tumor in place when they did chemo had very little response to AC and then taxol flattened their tumor.  Other ladies (like myself) took AC and it took my tumor down...then I believe that the taxol did even more. I had no tumor left at all and no invasive cancer except 1 pinpoint worth in one node after chemo. 

    Take it all....you don't know which category you fall into.  

    I did a radical move and did more chemo after surgery (taxotere/carboplatin) but that is not for everyone.  For some reason I was able to take chemo really well...but later in life I wonder if I will suffer effects.  I would leave 2 kids with no parents so I just said give it all to me.  But AC (every 2 weeks) plus taxol every 2 weeks was the gold standard according to the Stanford Cancer Center at the time.  I think it still is but if there is any doubt....they can give a second opinion. 

  • Meggy
    Meggy Member Posts: 530
    edited March 2010

    Even if you are node negative there is the possiblity of vascular invasion (I think they call it).  Chemo is our best defense.

    Puddinggirl....they gave me taxotere/carboplatin every 3 weeks after my surgery.  It could be different for a recurrance but I say get a second opinion.  I remember my oncologist (who had just been diagnosed with very serious skin cancer) saying studies showed every 3 weeks was best....but it may be different for recurrence, I'm not sure.  

    My extra chemo was just my demand and when my brillian oncologist was diagnosed with cancer and had little kids too she told me she understood me.  

  • psp2pdx
    psp2pdx Member Posts: 38
    edited April 2010

    I had 4 rounds dose dense AC and am 31/2 years out of tx.

    My tumor profile showed that would be the best combo.

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