Budwig diet/Flax oil

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  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited February 2010
  • Beatis
    Beatis Member Posts: 80
    edited February 2010

    Huh? Where does it say aspirin has better percentages that chemo? I haven't been able to find that.

  • Stef2day
    Stef2day Member Posts: 17
    edited February 2010

    Beatis said: "There is no evidence whatsoever that the Budwig diet does anything against cancer. Going on a Budwig diet and forgoing standard treatment can be very dangerous and may cost you your life."

    The fact that I am using Budwig and I am cancer-free is evidence enough for me.  Please go to the Flaxseed2 group on Yahoo (as Crunchy Poodle Mama also said) and make this same statement, and see how much evidence they will show anyone who asks.  These are people testing it with their own lives and reporting the results. 

    As far as forgoing standard treatment is concerned-- there is NO standard treatment available for me-- no radiation, no chemo-- it doesn't exist-- hasn't even been invented yet. So what am I to do? "Wait and see," as the doctors have told me to do?  Please!  What is very dangerous and may cost me MY life is listening to people who try to tell me what doesn't work when they're nowhere near expert.

    Beatis said: "It is also claimed here that cancer cells thrive on sugar and consequently, that a diet without sugar would cure cancer."

    Who said a diet without sugar CURES cancer? Sugar is not good for anybody, with or without cancer.  The good "sugars" we need are found naturally, in fresh fruit, not in a Snickers bar and not in a bottle of Coca Cola.  The Budwig diet is about taking bad things out of your diet, like cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup and all the other harmful derivatives and substitutes for sugar. Why do consumers need sugar and high fructose corn syrup in everything on the grocer's shelf? 

    Beatis said:  "as most foods contain sugar, this would limit your diet to such an extent as to become unhealthy."

    So if this statement is true, then the inverse is true: In order to be healthy, we need to continue to eat foods with sugar?  Most PROCESSED foods do, in fact, contain sugar.  The Budwig diet takes that out and adds all organic fresh fruit, fresh veggies, healthy dairy and healthy oils, encourages followers to make their own sauces, and breads without all the rancid corn oils and vegetable oils and fat that clog our systems, and without all the bad sugar and high fructose corn syrup but yet, some will say it is unhealthy and a scam. Just amazing. The unhealthy scam is our manufactured foods.    There is PLENTY of fresh food to eat without being limited or bored and without having sugar in your diet. 

    Beatis said: "Sufficient intake of omega-3 fatty acids is part of a normal healthy diet."

    This is exactly Johanna Budwig's claim.  If one read any part of Budwig's work, she sates this is one thing common to all cancer patients-- grossly insufficient intake of Omega-3. Her protocol provides the most efficient way to deliver omega-3 to the suffering body.

    Beatis said: "I am not making the claim, the proponents of the Budwig diet are making the claim, namely that the Budwig diet cures cancer, but there is no evidence that it does."

    There is no eveidence that Budwig does NOT cure cancer either.

    Beatis said:  "Given all this, I think it is a bad idea to use the Budwig diet as an alternative to standard cancer treatments."

    Given all of what? Where is the evidence to support this conclusion?

    Here is a Uuniversity of California- Berkley "Mini-Medical School" presentation showing the myriad ailments and diseases caused by what Beatis described as "most foods."  Long, but WELL worth the watch. 

    Sugar:  The Bitter Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

  • Beatis
    Beatis Member Posts: 80
    edited February 2010

    Beatis said: "There is no evidence whatsoever that the Budwig diet does anything against cancer. Going on a Budwig diet and forgoing standard treatment can be very dangerous and may cost you your life."

    Stef2day said: As far as forgoing standard treatment is concerned-- there is NO standard treatment available for me-- no radiation, no chemo-- it doesn't exist-- hasn't even been invented yet. So what am I to do? "Wait and see," as the doctors have told me to do?  Please!  What is very dangerous and may cost me MY life is listening to people who try to tell me what doesn't work when they're nowhere near expert.

    I was not talking about anyone personally. I’m very happy that you still are cancer free and I hope you will remain so.

    The Budwig diet is being advised as an effective alternative for standard treatments to patients with early stage and potentially curable cancer. I think that is dangerous advice, as there is no evidence or even an indication that this is true.

    Beatis said: "It is also claimed here that cancer cells thrive on sugar and consequently, that a diet without sugar would cure cancer."

    Stef2day said: Who said a diet without sugar CURES cancer?

    The internet is full of websites claiming a diet without sugar cures cancer. Also on this site the claim is made.

    Stef2day said: Sugar is not good for anybody, with or without cancer.  The good "sugars" we need are found naturally, in fresh fruit, not in a Snickers bar and not in a bottle of Coca Cola. The Budwig diet is about taking bad things out of your diet, like cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup and all the other harmful derivatives and substitutes for sugar. Why do consumers need sugar and high fructose corn syrup in everything on the grocer's shelf? 

    I did not say a people may consume all the sugar they like or that they need a lot of sugar. I said there is no evidence that a diet without sugar will cure cancer.

    Beatis said:  "as most foods contain sugar, this would limit your diet to such an extent as to become unhealthy."

    Stef2day said: So if this statement is true, then the inverse is true:

    Why would the inverse be true?

    Beatis said: "Sufficient intake of omega-3 fatty acids is part of a normal healthy diet."

    Stef2day said: This is exactly Johanna Budwig's claim.  If one read any part of Budwig's work, she sates this is one thing common to all cancer patients-- grossly insufficient intake of Omega-3. Her protocol provides the most efficient way to deliver omega-3 to the suffering body.

    No, this is not exactly Johanna Budwig’s claim. Johanna Budwig’s claim is that omega-3 fatty acids, in particular those in flax seed, cure cancer. There is no evidence that they do.

    Beatis said: "I am not making the claim, the proponents of the Budwig diet are making the claim, namely that the Budwig diet cures cancer, but there is no evidence that it does."

    Stef2day said: There is no eveidence that Budwig does NOT cure cancer either.

    So? Does the fact that there is no evidence for something make it true?

    Beatis said:  "Given all this, I think it is a bad idea to use the Budwig diet as an alternative to standard cancer treatments."

    Stef2day said: Given all of what? Where is the evidence to support this conclusion?

    Given the fact that there is no evidence that the Budwig diet cures cancer.

    Stef2day said: Here is a Uuniversity of California- Berkley "Mini-Medical School" presentation showing the myriad ailments and diseases caused by what Beatis described as "most foods."  Long, but WELL worth the watch. 

    This is about the Budwig diet being able or not to cure cancer. I said no more than that there is no evidence that it can. I did not say it is unhealthy, or that one should not follow it, or that it is bad for you in any way. I merely said there is no evidence that the Budwig diet can cure cancer and that therefore I think it is not good advice to use the Budwig diet instead of standard cancer treatments.

  • Beatis
    Beatis Member Posts: 80
    edited February 2010

    Beatis said: "There is no evidence whatsoever that the Budwig diet does anything against cancer. Going on a Budwig diet and forgoing standard treatment can be very dangerous and may cost you your life."

    Stef2day said: As far as forgoing standard treatment is concerned-- there is NO standard treatment available for me-- no radiation, no chemo-- it doesn't exist-- hasn't even been invented yet. So what am I to do? "Wait and see," as the doctors have told me to do?  Please!  What is very dangerous and may cost me MY life is listening to people who try to tell me what doesn't work when they're nowhere near expert.

    I was not talking about anyone personally. I’m very happy that you still are cancer free and I hope you will remain so.

    The Budwig diet is being advised as an effective alternative for standard treatments to patients with early stage and potentially curable cancer. I think that is dangerous advice, as there is no evidence or even an indication that this is true.

    Beatis said: "It is also claimed here that cancer cells thrive on sugar and consequently, that a diet without sugar would cure cancer."

    Stef2day said: Who said a diet without sugar CURES cancer?

    The internet is full of websites claiming a diet without sugar cures cancer. Also on this site the claim is made.

    Stef2day said: Sugar is not good for anybody, with or without cancer.  The good "sugars" we need are found naturally, in fresh fruit, not in a Snickers bar and not in a bottle of Coca Cola. The Budwig diet is about taking bad things out of your diet, like cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup and all the other harmful derivatives and substitutes for sugar. Why do consumers need sugar and high fructose corn syrup in everything on the grocer's shelf? 

    I did not say a people may consume all the sugar they like or that they need a lot of sugar. I said there is no evidence that a diet without sugar will cure cancer.

    Beatis said:  "as most foods contain sugar, this would limit your diet to such an extent as to become unhealthy."

    Stef2day said: So if this statement is true, then the inverse is true:

    Why would the inverse be true?

    Beatis said: "Sufficient intake of omega-3 fatty acids is part of a normal healthy diet."

    Stef2day said: This is exactly Johanna Budwig's claim.  If one read any part of Budwig's work, she sates this is one thing common to all cancer patients-- grossly insufficient intake of Omega-3. Her protocol provides the most efficient way to deliver omega-3 to the suffering body.

    No, this is not exactly Johanna Budwig’s claim. Johanna Budwig’s claim is that omega-3 fatty acids, in particular those in flax seed, cure cancer. There is no evidence that they do.

    Beatis said: "I am not making the claim, the proponents of the Budwig diet are making the claim, namely that the Budwig diet cures cancer, but there is no evidence that it does."

    Stef2day said: There is no eveidence that Budwig does NOT cure cancer either.

    So? Does the fact that there is no evidence for something make it true?

    Beatis said:  "Given all this, I think it is a bad idea to use the Budwig diet as an alternative to standard cancer treatments."

    Stef2day said: Given all of what? Where is the evidence to support this conclusion?

    Given the fact that there is no evidence that the Budwig diet cures cancer.

    Stef2day said: Here is a Uuniversity of California- Berkley "Mini-Medical School" presentation showing the myriad ailments and diseases caused by what Beatis described as "most foods."  Long, but WELL worth the watch. 

    This is about the Budwig diet being able or not to cure cancer. I said no more than that there is no evidence that it can. I did not say it is unhealthy, or that one should not follow it, or that it is bad for you in any way. I merely said there is no evidence that the Budwig diet can cure cancer and that therefore I think it is not good advice to use the Budwig diet instead of standard cancer treatments.

  • Beatis
    Beatis Member Posts: 80
    edited February 2010
     
    I was not talking about anyone personally. I’m very happy that you still are cancer free and I sincerely hope you will remain so.
     
    The Budwig diet is advised as an effective alternative for standard treatments to patients with early stage and potentially curable cancer. I think that is dangerous advice, as there is no evidence or even an indication that this is true.
     
    The internet is full of websites claiming a diet without sugar cures cancer. Also on this site the claim is made. I did not say a people can go and consume all the sugar they like or that they need a lot of sugar. I said there is no evidence that a diet without sugar will cure cancer. I fail to see why this means the inverse is true; why would that be so?
     
    Johanna Budwig’s claim is that omega-3 fatty acids, in particular those in flax seed, cure cancer. But there is no evidence that they do.
     
    You say here is no evidence that Budwig does NOT cure cancer either. What is your point? Do you mean to say that the fact that there is no evidence for something means it is true?

    We are not talking about foods causing ailments or not. We are talking about the Budwig diet being able to cure cancer. I said no more than that there is no evidence for that. I did not say the diet is unhealthy, or that one should not follow it, or that it is bad for you in any way. I merely said there is no evidence that the Budwig diet can cure cancer and that therefore I think it is not good advice that the Budwig diet be used instead of standard cancer treatments.

  • mollyann
    mollyann Member Posts: 472
    edited February 2010
    How do you spell troll?
  • Beatis
    Beatis Member Posts: 80
    edited February 2010
  • Stef2day
    Stef2day Member Posts: 17
    edited February 2010
    Beatis said, "Stef2day and others on this blog claim that cancer cannot survive in an acidic environment and so they advise trying to lower your body pH with an "alkaline" diet, to cure cancer. This is not only nonsense, it is impossible as well, "

    And then Beatis said: "@Stef2day, I was not talking about anyone personally. I'm very happy that you still are cancer free and I sincerely hope you will remain so."

    @ Beatis-- you called my name, personally, which would indicate to me that you were talking about me, personally, and you misquoted me. I never said alkalizing the body cures cancer. Stop twisting MY words and then calling it nonsense.


    Beatis said, "There is no evidence whatsoever that the Budwig diet does anything against cancer," or something similar at least five times, and also asked, "Where's the evidence that shows it is effective against cancer?" and then posted, "How do you spell logical fallacies? http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/."

    @ Beatis-- Your own assertions are the epitome of logical fallacies.  Your "there is no evidence," statements are called arguments from ignorance. An argument from ignorance assumes that which is currently unexplained or insufficiently understood or explained, is not (or must not be) true; or because there appears to be a lack of evidence for one hypothesis, another chosen hypothesis is therefore considered proven; or because a premise is not proven true it is automatically false.

    Due to a lack of evidence, the world was flat until proven otherwise, but as we can see, just because it had not yet been proven, did not make it so.

    @ Beatis-- I find it funny that you would post a link that strengthens the argument of those following the Budwig Protocol. I did not click on the link because I recognize the logical fallacy theorem but I believe if you had read it thoroughly before you posted it, or truly understood the premise, you would know the theorem also states the lack of evidence is not evidence of lack, which is why I stated Budwig has not proven ineffective either.

    Further, Beatis, your arguments against Budwig are VERY limited and only oppose the diet itself, which confirms you know very little about it. Budwig is not a diet, even though we use the term loosely here, but a protocol that includes many other health considerations that should be realized by those suffering from cancer.

    Beatis said, "I can read the diet until I am blue in the face...."

    @ Beatis-- I HAVE read Budwig until blue in the face. I welcome your discourse after you read Budwig until you are blue in the face.

  • mollyann
    mollyann Member Posts: 472
    edited February 2010

    Stef,

    Trolls don't read. They troll because it's easier to trash someone else's strategy than constructively work on their own health.  They think alternatives are the enemy, not their own cancer. Very sad.

    Trolling works like an energizing antidepressant for these folks in the face of their diagnosis.

  • Stef2day
    Stef2day Member Posts: 17
    edited February 2010

    Agreed, Molly Ann. I'm done.  THANKS!

  • Beatis
    Beatis Member Posts: 80
    edited February 2010

    The topic starter asked about information on the Budwig diet as an alternative to standard treatments. To that I replied, saying that I don't think would be a good idea, as there is no evidence the Budwig diet can cure cancer. 

    MollyAnn,

    You said about me:

    "...Trolls don't read. They troll because it's easier to trash someone's else's strategy than constructively working on their own health. They think alternatives are the enemy, not their own cancer. Very sad.

    Trolling works like an energizing depressant for these folks in the face of their diagnosis..."

    I hope saying things like these makes you feel good.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2010

    Beatis, you're trying to fight a religion. Don't waste your time.

  • Beatis
    Beatis Member Posts: 80
    edited February 2010

    @Stef2day,

    I have been taught that in certain cases it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred (i.e. that fact that the Budwig protocol can cure cancer), evidence of it would have been found by qualified scientists and that in such cases it is reasonable to take the absence of proof as positive evidence towards the non-occurrence of the event.

    @leprechaun,

    I think you're right. Smile 

  • MBROWNING
    MBROWNING Member Posts: 53
    edited February 2010

    Girls, girls, girls!  This kind of dialogue is not healthy for any of us.  I have made a personal choice as to the treatment/protocol that I believe to be effective for me.  As such, I don't go to forums of opposing treatments/protocols and trash them; it's not fair to the girls on those threads and it's not healthy for me (causes way too much stress and drama for everyone involved).   I visit other forums to see if there's something else I might consider, but I'd NEVER dog anyone on them for their choice!   I believe everyone has the ability to make their own choices....believing in one's treatment path is a huge part of the success of ANY treatment.  EVERY treatment plan (conventional or alternative) comes with it's successes and failures.  We are all adults, fully capable of weighing the pro's and con's and doing our own research and deciding which is the best path.  I have a dear friend just starting chemo.  While I personally would not take chemo (with my particular dx), I would never discourage her from her choice or tell her that it's not going to work....it's not my place.  I think the whole premise behind these forums is for like-minded individuals to offer support to one another and try to ENHANCE the common protocol that we're on.  For instance, if you're on Budwig, or considering Budwig, great!  This is the place for you to be....ask questions, discuss the protocol details, share recipes, etc.  If you're not a believer in Budwig, well, then you'd be better off joining in another forum.  This kind of point / counter-point debate is just not productive. 

  • lisametoo
    lisametoo Member Posts: 187
    edited March 2010

    Hello,

    My 84 yr. old mother who was first diagnosed with Stage 3c Ovarian in 2002, and then a stage 1 breast DCIS a couple of years later has been doing the FOCC and is thriving.  She had a lumpectomy intially and her sentinel nodes remove with NED in the nodes.  In 2004 she had lumps appear all over.  It was awful, even in her spine.  She was stage 4 obviously for the Breast Cancer.  I have over 3500 hours in research in Alternatives, and she is on a spreadsheet of neat things she loves to do. She juices, takes about 4 supplements.  She takes her PH and Temp each morning.  She absolutely loves her routine, because she is a very organized perfectionist.  At her lowest Christmas a year ago, she was very tired and weight was low, but her turning point finally happened, and it will if you are patient.  It takes a long time for the body to repair itself.  It's not just diet, it is a mental and spiritual journey.  Your thoughts can do a lot to heal or hurt.  Well, all of her tumors (armpit, sternum, breast) are not palpable anymore.  Her oncologist is amazed.  I do not permit any scans (CT or Pet).  They are detrimental in my opinion.  So, it is my honest opinion that the Budwig Protocol works.  Her health is enough evidence for me :o)   Study Budwig and Warburg's work.  They were brilliant.  God Bless.

  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited March 2010

    lisamoto: what a great post from you!

    This, in particular, caught my eye: ".....Her oncologist is amazed.  I do not permit any scans (CT or Pet)....."

    Indeed, I have been convinced for a while that scans are detrimental. As I said before, I am looking for ways to dodge my next oncologist appointment, because I feel our oncologists do not even think in terms of a cure: they think in terms of life-extension, and I now believe that's the only situation where one should seek the help of an oncologist. [Luckily, it looks like I will be traveling several thousand miles from here at the time I am due for another "check-up"].

    In his terrific book "Anti-Cancer,"  Dr. Servan-Schreiber describes a scene that I will NEVER, EVER  forget: After going through surgery for his brain tumor, and while undergoing conventional treatments afterwards, Dr. Servan-Schreiber came across his then-oncologist at a party. Dr. Servan-Schreiber walked towards his oncologist to greet him warmly. But that oncologist turned DEATHLY PALE when he saw his patient (Dr. Servan-Schreiber), and promptly disappeared.

    Dr. Servan-Schreiber thought about this strange and bewildering reaction, of course, and came up with this thought (and I am quoting his book at this point): "....There is such a thing as a club of the living, and I did not [or is it "no longer"?] belonged to it...."

    This minor incident is, I think, the perfect illustration of the fact that the top/creme-of-the-cream oncologist that Dr. Servan-Schreiber was dealing with did not believe that his treatments were going to save his patient's life.........And that oncologist is not the only one to be thinking that way: I, for, one, am convinced that most oncologists don't believe that their job is to save lives:

    Case in point: Research gets all excited when 1 new chemotherapy protocol extends life to 4 months instead of 3 months previously!

  • Merilee
    Merilee Member Posts: 3,047
    edited March 2010

    Everything I am finding on flax says its the seeds not the oil that is an anti cancer helper. Anyone have research that differs?

  • lisametoo
    lisametoo Member Posts: 187
    edited March 2010

    Hi Merilee,

    The oil comes from pressing the seeds :o)  Please continue to read Dr. Otto Warburg and Dr. Johanna Budwig's work.  You will have an understanding of what a cancerous cell is, and how to change the body's chemistry to allow these primitive cells to commit apoptosis.  Dr. Budwig's work addresses this.  It's about oxygen delivery to cells by making the cell wall more permeable with the right ratio of fats/nutrition to achieve this state.  A cell mutates to a more primitive state to survive because it is deprived of oxygen.  The reason for the deprivation is a number of things relating primarily to diet, secondary to toxins, and thirdly to a depressed immune function because of the above, and/or negative emotional issues.

    Follow Dr. Budwigs protocol.  It's delicious!  I love the FOCC and eat it for preventative measures.  I'm a huge fan of Dr. Richard Shultze too.  He is a straight shooter.  God Bless all you ladies out there, and keep positive!  Remember, only your body can heal itself.  Radiation, Chemo and Surgery are bandaids with many negative consequences.  You can Burn, Poison, and Cut all you want. It is a temporary measure unless you get to the root cause of why a cell mutates and that is what Dr. Warburg studied, and Dr. Budwig came up with the game plan for victory!   Your beautiful body will heal itself of ANY disease given the right fuel.  JMO :O)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2010

    If you're going to give this a chance, do it in parallel with the conventional stuff, but not istead. JMO.

    Edited to add: I've seen two cases when the patients neglected the conventional treatment and went on solely Budwig protocol during my volunteer work in Canadian Cancer Society. Both were dead in a few months. The problem is you almost never hear these not-so-lucky people and you never know what is the actual success percentage with Budwig or macrobiotic or whatever other diets that are making claims to "cure" cancer.

  • lisametoo
    lisametoo Member Posts: 187
    edited March 2010

    For anyone interested.  Here's the protocol: http://home.online.no/~dusan/diseases/cancer/cancer_dr_budwig.html

    I've got lots of resources for anyone wanting more info.  Blessings and Happiness to all!  I'm so glad I posted after such a long lapse.  I'm seeing my Mom in 3 weeks.  We will be drinking lots of wine and much joking and laughing.  She's such a little honery thing!  She just comes up to my chin!   Here's another AMAZING link  http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/budwig_protocol.html

  • Beatis
    Beatis Member Posts: 80
    edited March 2010
    @ lisametoo,In another thread you tout the baking soda nonsense of Tullio Simoncini as a miracle cure.With all due respect, but I can't help wondering why you would think you are the authority to tell people how to treat their cancer and forgo all conventional treatments. Why can't we do conventional therapy as well as alternative treatments?I mean, are you an oncologist/scientist?? On what basis should we place our faith in you alone and ignore our doctors? 
  • Yazmin
    Yazmin Member Posts: 840
    edited March 2010
    lisamoto: but be careful about drinking lots of wine. It has been firmly established that wine is carcinogenic :-) Alas....
  • feroza
    feroza Member Posts: 16
    edited March 2010

    Can the FOCC diet be taken duriang chemo - or do we have to stop before chemo -

  • lisametoo
    lisametoo Member Posts: 187
    edited March 2010

    Hi Beatis,

    You are in charge of your health care, I'm only telling you what I've done with my mother.  I am not a scientist or oncologist.  But have studied natural health for 25 years.  Good luck and God Bless.  I will be leaving this blog again.  I just wanted to update those who followed my posts 2 years ago.  For anyone with an open mind you can discover all of this yourself, and do what you think is best for you.

  • Stef2day
    Stef2day Member Posts: 17
    edited March 2010

    Hello all--

    I thought my next CT scan would not happen until mid-March... imagine my surprise when I got a call from the oncologist's office the evening of Feb. 24th stating my scan would be at 10 a.m., Feb. 25th.  I didn't even have a chance to get depressed like I normally do, but maybe it was for the better!

    I spoke to my oncologist when the results were in, and he stated I am showing absolutely NO signs of cancer. 

    Just as a reminder to everyone-- there is no existing chemotherapy or effective radiation therapy for my form of cancer, so I have two choices-- Budwig or wait to die. I'm "Budwigging!"

  • Leia
    Leia Member Posts: 265
    edited March 2010

    Stef2Day,

     I'm with you with you. Budwig, or wait to die. I'm luckier than you, you said, "there is no existing chemotherapy or effective radiation therapy for my form of cancer, so I have two choices-- Budwig or wait to die. I'm "Budwigging!"

    You have made the right choice. 

     As have I. 

    And I have NEVER felt better, in my life. With the Budwig Protocol. And my cancer, is GONE. That I had 3.5 years ago, a 2c IDC. Cut out, surgically. With NO other "treatments."

    The "treatments." The Big "Medical Industrial Complex" Boondoggle.  

    I'm healthy, without the latter. And enjoying life! 

     With BOTH of my breasts! 

  • laurence
    laurence Member Posts: 4
    edited April 2010

    Hello everybody ! my name is Laurence, i'm french and i'm 43. I'm a nurse and have a 4 ½ years-old child.

    As I haven't practised English for years, please forgive me if I make mistakes.

    I have a breast cancer diagnosed on march 26th . I tried to fill the diagnosis form but I don't really understand the abbreviations you give in the forum. My type of cancer is "carcinome intra canalaire invasif" grade 2. A mastectomy is to be done next week.

    I discovered the Budwig's protocol recently and have yet many questions as there is no French translation of J Budwig's books and my English is not so good to understand the scientific vocabulary in them.

    I have found some interesting pages on "healing cancer naturally" translated in French concerning the protocol and I have applied it for now 3 weeks. I begin to feel better especially less tired though my nights are not very good since my mammography.

    The changing in my way of eating is using organic fresh food, letting apart meat, whole cereals...and of course FO. I follow as well the advices of the book "the anti-cancer food" and try to eat fruits and vegetables that have these properties. I allow me some fresh fish occasionally.

    It would be very kind of you if you could help me and answer my questions.

    *In the documents I found about the Budwig's protocol, JB talks about the protocol for the first 4 weeks. What changes after these 4 weeks in the protocol?

    *I'm surprised by the quantity of FO used in the protocol. Does it mean it's the same quantity for a 100 kilos adult, a 50 kilos adult or a child?

    I've lost around 3 kilos till I'm following the protocol. Have you lost weight too? My family is worrying about that.

    Does the quantity still remain the same? If no, when will it decrease?

    *In France, it's very difficult to find FO, only in organic shops (and not in alls) , because for years it has been forbidden and is still forbidden as a nutrition item. I can buy it with the cosmetics. It's sold in metal bottles (not in a refrigerator in the shop) and while arriving at home, I put all the bottles in the refrigerator. How is it conditioned in your country?

    Moreover in France it is very expensive, 4 times more than in Germany!!

    I would like to buy it by Internet in Germany but don't understand German at all!!

    *Some people say to stop the FO before an operation. I read an interesting article on "healing cancer naturally" and they said not to, unless for the persons on blood-thinning medication. For my IRM (MRI?) a few days ago, they made me an injection, and I had no special marks on my arm as I used to have before being on the Budwig diet. As vegetables I'm eating a lot of cabbage which contains vitamin K. (and is too an anti-cancer vegetable!)

    My main concern also is how can I go on my diet during my hospital stay? The Budwig's protocol requires to have a refrigerator to store the food. How do you do when you're not at home? And how can I do during these days?

    I would also like to know if complete bread for example is allowed. Are some vegetables not allowed?

    *Does someone know how linomel is made? Is it possible to make its own mixture using honey and flaxseeds and in which quantity. I instead use flaxseeds alone but I guess honey has great properties for the health and can certainly prevent the oxidation.

    *Do you use oleolox? I was surprised that JB recommended coconut oil as it contains saturated fats but read some good articles about it.

    *Have you changed other things in your way of life for example to protect yourself from cellular phones, WIFI.... Changing your cosmetics.....

    It took me one hour to write all this letter ;-))

    Thank you very much in advance to all the persons on this forum who will help me in answering my questions. I will be in hospital by the end of the week and won't be able to communicate with you during my hospitalisation but I'll keep in contact.

    It's a great support to find people in my case and read that most of you are feeling much better since they use FO.

    Thank you all

    Laurence

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited April 2010

    Bienvenue, Laurence - I am so sorry about your diagnosis but you have found a great resource (this forum!). I only have a few minutes but will answer some of your questions and I'm sure others will reply too.

    I plan to discontinue flax oil for a few days before my next surgery, because of the blood thinning effect... but I also consume other foods that also have a blood-thinning effect and want to minimize the risk.

    How long will you be in the hospital? Fresh is always better, but of course you do what you have to. I hope your hospital cafeteria will have fresh options... do you have a family member or friend who can bring you some favorite fresh foods?

    I have definitely changed non-food aspects of my life... I don't wear cosmetics with chemicals anymore, and I have switched to organic (or natural/homemade) cleansers, shampoo, etc. I use earphones with my cell phone (never against my ear or anywhere on my body). I even bought some organic clothes and bed sheets to minimize exposure to pesticides and harmful chemicals.

    More later, I have to leave for a bit... glad you found this group!

  • Nan56143
    Nan56143 Member Posts: 349
    edited April 2010

    Ladies,

    If you answer the questions for Laurence, I can copy and paste your posts, send them to my grand-daughter, and I know that she can translate them to French for Laurence. It's worth a try to help this dear woman.Smile

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