the reduction+lumpectomy thread
Hello all! Figured it was time we formerly big breasted gals had a thread of our own. Also a place for anyone considering this option.
Most of us had a reduction on both breasts at the time of our lumpectomy. The advantage of this surgery is often very wide margins. I actually was told I did not need the boosts during since my entire tumor bed was gone. This is not the experience of everyone however.
Also smaller breasts do make radiation easier.
I will say in my personal experience the recovery time is longer than a regular lumpectomy.
Others on the thread are considering reduction for symmetry after bc treatment.
While the lump/reduction surgery is becoming more common, it's not practiced everywhere and you may need to look for a surgical team that does it.
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Please include me in the formerly big breasted thread!
So happy with my reduction +lumpectomy!
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Yea April! You can be president of the west coast branch.
How long did your recovery take?
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Hmmm....recovery, let me think....that is hard to say. My reduction was with a re-excision (first lumpectomy had only 1mm clear margin) so I had the reduction/lumpectomy on July 20th. I started radiation on Sept. 14th - which I think made the healing from surgery take a bit longer on that side. I can pretty much sleep on my stomach now - which I could not right before rads and NO WAY during radiation. The radiation burn is fading, and I can't believe how much my scars from the reduction have faded.
Sorry for the long answer!
I will happily take on the west coast branch!
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I had a "buddy" from a local cancer charity who was assigned to me, she was back at work after a week, dancing at a wedding after two.
I am 3 1/2 weeks out, and still very sore, spend most of my time at home, although I did take a quick trip out of town last weekend.
V-L has been a big help on this topic,but I was wondering did you use post surgical bras or sports bras?
At some point I would like to describe the large margin/ less radiation part of this, for women who are considering the proceedure.
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I had a post surgical bra that I LOVE - still love it. I had a hard time finding a sports bra that didn't look too bulky under clothing (it was summertime) and in addition wanted a front closing bra, without underwire. I alternate from the surgical bra to cotton non underwire bras that I found at target. I used to wear these huge minimizers....big difference!
We had houseguests 3 weeks after my surgery - I felt okay - but could not run or walk super fast, and was still swollen.
You will feel much better in the next few weeks.
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Hey all, I am bumping this thread for sweatyspice!!!
Any other bi lat reduction/ lumpectomy gals out there?
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Thanks for bumping the thread, Cookie. I'm too busy freaking out to post anything reasonable right now. I just got the EOB from my ins co. and it's not a pretty document.
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I have a deep dent/divot on the bottom of my "healthy" breast, extending from the incision line out. It feels like there's very firm tissue above the divot but nothing below it. The incision near it is extremely bumpy compared to the rest of the incision, with two big bumps near the divot, the one beneath is right near the bra line and can be very irritated/uncomfortable..
There are also a bunch of wrinkles on the other side of that breast (lower part of cleavage).
The Drs keep telling me all this will settle in, but I don't believe them. The wrinkles, maybe - it's not all THAT severe (though I HATE it), but the big damned divot? I'm not feeling hopeful about that. I'm feeling like revision surgery might be necessary to fix it, if it can be fixed at all.
And then there are my extremely weird looking nipples, one of which seems to have completely retracted, forever pissed off and in hiding. I don't blame her. The other one is out and about and hypersensitive, which I trust will go away in a few months. They're both mad at me, with good reason. It's like there were a few dumbass cells in the room but the whole class got punished.
I wasn't expecting divots and wrinkles and how weird my nipples are. I'm ashamed of my breasts now. They look fine in clothes, nice cleavage, etc - but naked? Not so much.
I'm about 3 1/2 weeks from surgery. How much more do they change over time?
I asked my PS about scar stuff, he said he thought it was a waste of money. What do you think?
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My divots are a lot less 4 months out..80-90 percent..and yes my nips looked really confused, they have gotten better too. Though during rads the one will do wierd stuff.
I use the scar stuff sometimes, to be honest I have gotten used to the scars, they don't bug me as much as I thought they would.
I also use bio oil which is very inexpensive. Talmor says she doesn't think it does much for scars, but it has helped the skin condition.
I left the scar strips on for 6 weeks. My onc says they were worth using, so I figured he knows.
I have no idea about the wrinkles.
I will say a lot of this does just settle out, but that's my experience only. Maybe PM april?
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Noticed this thread was bumped!
3.5 weeks is still pretty early. My swelling went down significantly. I had a weird bruise or discolored area on my heathy (but reduced) side that stayed thru rads (which were 5 weeks after surgery) and is now gone. I did not have any divots. Where is it? Are you talking about at the base of your breast where it meets your ribs? I had the anchor type incisions - around the nipple, down the middle and then a small curved incision where the breast meets the ribs. That area was redder and possibly a bit thicker for a while - gone by now. A regular bra did get uncomfortabe so I wore the surgical bra for a long time.
My nipples look good but both seem smaller in diameter. They were not huge to begin with, are symmetrical and work so I really don't care. I am thinking that they had to take a bit of the areola with the reexcision and then trimmed it up for symmetry - forgot to ask. Mine were border line painfully sensitive to begin with and that did fade to normal.
I dont recall any wrinkles or divots, but feel free to send me a pm and describe the location.
I just saw my PS and BS for the 6 month checkup. These men are SO PLEASED and EXCITED for me or just really love their work. Seriously - they are so funny.
Sweaty - mine look much better now 6 months later than they did at 3 weeks.
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Has anyone had reduction after rads? I'm concerned that the bc/rads side will be pissed off if we cut it again.
I'm 2 1/2 years out and have a scar and dent, also, on my last mammo there was a necrotic cyst, caused by rads, that when aspirated, left a very red area from where the needle entered over to where the cyst was, about 3" wide and a good inch tall. That was mid-Nov.09 and it's STILL red.
Then I had a punch biopsy in the same spot, because doc thought if the redness wasn't an infection, it was not, then it might be IBC, it was not, but that left another scar.
I'm really confused as to why I wasn't even offered the Lump with bi-lateral reduction. They could have taken larger margins and I could have avoided Radiation all together. Now, if I want the girls to be symmetrical I'll have to have a reduction/lift on both sides.
And I found out today, by a Relay-for-Life volunteer that she had the above at the same hospital with the partner of my BS.
My dh really wants me to do it. Everyone says it will help my poor achy-breaky back. I'm feeling that unnecessary surgery is asking for trouble.
ANY Post-Rads Reductions out there?
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actually even with the larger margins we all still had to have rads (well all 4 of us that I know of)
All I know is what I read on the boards, that post rads ps is possible, but trickier, and it is very important to find the right doc who is used to operating on radiated skin.
That being said, good luck! A reduction does slightly reduce bc risk, and they get to do an extra biopsy sometimes.
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DH wants me to change BS. I tend to think thats kinda harsh, at least I could ask her why she didnt even discuss an option. I've only seen one PS, time is important too, as my COBRA runs out end of may.
~C
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I was only offered this as a surgical option because the specific locations of my multicentric disease happened to be in exactly the right spots. I think the other ladies only had one area, but still, maybe it's all about location. I certainly think you should speak to your PS about it, and maybe get a 2nd opinion too. Also, I saw about 6 BSs and 4 PSs and only one of them suggested this as a solution.
And Cookie is right, I still have to do rads. My margins are 4mm and 7mm.
I'd forgotten all about the scar stuff until I re-read this thread (I've been dealing with too much drama which is unrelated to BC). I might as well try using it if it's not too late in the game. I'm now....about 6 weeks out. What products do you recommend?
The wrinkling is better but the rest of the stuff that upset me is the same.
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I could have gotten more opinions. Insurance restricts who to use for most of my doctors. If I go out of the PPO, I pay a bigger co-pay, etc. it adds up.
Thanks for letting me know that you still had to do rads. i think that was bugging me the most, it there had been a way to avoid it and it had not been offered.. But that is not really what happened. and the location was of concern as it was close to the nipple and close to the surface of skin on the top part, the 11 o'clock spot. Maybe that's why I feel the scar tissue.
The best product for healing is TIME. I know thats a lame answer, and not what you want to hear, but it's so true. If you can keep on going with your life, adding daily massages to your scar spot, add improved diet to gain immune support, and start or increasing your exercises to include arm stretching and be aware of your range of movement on that side. Be CAREFUL! Hold railings when on stairs, be a recovering person for a while longer than you think everyone expects. No offence, but screw them. Who knows you better than you? i say be careful, as after the trauma is over, the recovery can be a delicate time. when you go out, go a bit slower than usual. Watch for curbs, etc. Place your steps on purpose and avoid a fall. It's a matter of taking care of the whole you, not just your chest.
If you broken your leg, lets say a compound fracture, you'd expect to be in a cast for 6+ weeks, then PT for another 6 weeks, maybe, right? This invaded your torso, it was cut and sewed up, Then the rads - to the whole breast? for 7+ weeks then add a boost?, Even if you give yourself 7 weeks to recover, that would be about the point where you would start PT on a broken bone, so, start some personal PT, or start some Phys. Therapy, or Psychotherapy, a support group?
Pleae understand that I am in a rambling mood today, not trying to tell you what to do.
I took a long time to recover, I'm still recovering.. That's my hesitation to going back to surgery for a reduction, it always takes me longer to recover than most. I just know it really helps to pamper yourself, and whatever that means for you, nows the time. Aroma therapy, walk in the woods, do what makes you feel good.
And, I'd love to hear about your drama. We have been swimming in that ourselves a LOT lately. ~C
~Connie
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For us it was not so much about tumor location as great big boobies.
If you are huge they have to give you a larger dose of radiation, so if you are super dupersized, it's even more. It's tricky to get a good cosmetic result, and the rads se's are tough.
Also this surgery gives you larger margins and a chance to get out any calcifications.
That being said it's not easy. I just started pt.
I have gotten really lazy about the scar stuff, the scars just don't bug me that much. I am really used to them.
I think my PS likes scargel, but I got some free samples of other stuff so I'm using that.
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Hey - I agree with cookiegal - my case was possible due to the great big DDD boobs. I mentioned up front that I had wanted to have a reduction, so with the lumpectomy "take what you need" and my BS said that oncoplastic surgery is the newest thing - although I did not have time up front to do this. When my lumpectomy came back with 1mm clear margin and BS wanted a reexcision - I said fine BUT this time we bring in a plastic surgeon and have a bilateral reduction at the same time. I had 30% of tissue removed and a lift
. Yes, I had rads afterwards.
Tkone on bc.org had a reduction after rads - I think a year afterwards and everything went well. I think it is possible, but like cookiegal said - you need to find a surgeon who is confident and competent in doing this. I think the post rad skin has some healing issues but reducing is not as difficult as expanding for an implant which I hear is almost impossible. Connie - you are a couple of years out so I would think it would be a feasible option. Send Tkone a PM and I am sure she will give you her info.
My BS also said that most PS are not comfortable up front with reductions and lumpectomies but it is becoming more and more common as I think the patients are more aware of options.
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Yeah, in my former life I was large breasted, but not superdupersized. I was a D. Now I'm probably a C. I'd NEVER have considered a reduction if cancer hadn't taken up residence.
It was all about cancer location, location, location for me.
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I was a D cup in the 8th grade. After three kids and some weight gain, they were DDs. Now, only the right side is a DD. There's no room to second guess now. The radiations done and done.
I could go for a matching pair of C's. I've decided that I'm going to go back to the PS that I visited and look at her book of pictures again. My therapist suggested that I find a picture of exactly what I want to look like and take that to the PS. And next mammogram time, I'll ask BS why she didn't offer the alternative. Even if she could have, then, she will make something up now. whatever.
Thanks!
~Connie
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I asked my PS today, she does revisions on radiated skin all the time. Fixes bumpy lumpectomies, et all.
I don't think you will want to come all the way to NYC, but it's possible.
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I had a lumpectomy In January -- I now have one DD breast on one that is a full C/D .... anyone now where to get something to fill the gap
. Summer is on its way and I wont be able to hid it much longer. Thanks for any help. I dont want surgery to fix the problem...my surgeon isnt convinced more biopsies arent in my future. Just some padding will do, Ive looked but dont see anything in the stores that I think would work.
thanks ladies,
angie
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artistang ....there is some sort of an even out padding thing, I don't remember what it is called. I would check at a mastectomy or a costume shop. Cutlets rings a bell for some reason.
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Artistang - If you have insurance, you can get a prosthetic made just for you, for a reasonable co-pay. My ins got me one, and paid 80% on new and very nice bras with a pocket to contain it. They are available by special order from a shop that fits you. They also offer swim suits with the pocket so you can swim or wear a suit and not feel lopsided. Ask your BS for a referral.
Also, there's a lady in here that has a closet full of all kinds of BC garments... purplemb, she will send you something at no charge, just give her your size.
~Connie
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Saw my PS this am. Will probably end up doing a revision surgery later in the year, which is fine with me. I can't believe I'm now happily looking forward to a surgical procedure, oh how things change! He wants to see me midway through rads, which I hadn't heard of before. Is that standard, or just him?
He said that the nipple which has been giving me problems seemed to have a lot of scar tissue, and then he pinched the area, HARD. Since I was not prepared or feeling frisky and "rough sex in Central Park"-ish - that HURT!!!!!!
I asked if when this was all over I thought I was too small breasted, could I do an implant? As I expected he said no. He said that although they might be smaller than I'd like, he promised that he'd make sure I ended up with beautiful breasts. I'll live with that.
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Cookiegal and Connie - thanks so much for your responses
I appreciate them very much
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Artistang -
I didn't respond b/c I didn't think I had anything to add. But thinking again, when I started all this and was considering just having a double lumpectomy which would have left me with two very differently sized breasts, a friend of mine said I could get "chicken cutlets" to pad my bra - I'm not sure if "cutlets" isn't just a slang term, but I've heard the term used, too.
Will these work? (from Underneath it All, which has some locations in NYC but it looks like you can get them mail order)
http://www.underneathitall.com/breast-enhancers-p/trulife%20secrets.htm
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SS - That doc, the one that squeezed the scar tissue... I would have screamed in his ear. DAMN, I thought about that all night long. He NEVER should have done that. Although, I liked the idea that he wanted to monitor your rads, I did NOT like the idea that he pinched.... There's just NO call for that. Scar tissue is generally painful all by its self, especially right at the nipple.
I'd be looking for a PS that is a LOT more gentle. screw him.
~Connie
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Hello everyone. Recently diagnosed and just scheduled surgery for lumpectomy, SNB, and breast reduction today. I am currently DDD and have not met with PS yet (that's scheduled for 3/16). The big day is March 24. This all happened so fast and I'm overwhelmed. Any advice you can give is appreciated.
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sl sprout will post some advice tomorrow!
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Hello all. Cookie and I got to know eachother because I had lumpectomy/reduction on June 24th last year and latterly Cookie was looking for someone who had this propcedure.
I finished rads to my left side a month back.
Finally, after all this time, both breasts are now really settling down and particularly the right one has started feeling rather nice and jiggly!
Also, the scars are now improving quite a lot. It seems to me that coming to the very end of treatment is the point at which things improve. This week I am back in the gym and was really pleased to do some lateral pull downs yesterday with no trouble.
I keep moisturising a lot just with aqeous cream or any other cream I fancy.
In Britain, the scar strips are Mepiform but I think they are expensive in the USA.
Anyway, all I can say is try to be patient (I never am) because suddenly, out of the blue, everything does finally start to settle down and feel better.
Good luck all -
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