taxotere and permanent hair loss

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  • bakinmom
    bakinmom Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2010

    I was never totally bald, but had some stubble. 

  • bakinmom
    bakinmom Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2010

    I tried sending an e-mail, but it didn't work.  Do I need to do something different?  I'm somewhat computer challenged so help me.

    Thanks 

  • RNKaren
    RNKaren Member Posts: 58
    edited January 2010

    I'm glad I found this thread.  It has been 18 months since my last chemo treatment. I had 6 rounds of Taxotere and Cytoxan.  My hair on top is very thin (baby hair) and sparse.  You can see my scalp through my hair.  Before chemo, my hair was thick and naturally curly.  I hope there is a remedy for this, or does it take more time to fill in?  I'm thinking of getting a hairpiece.

  • enjoylife
    enjoylife Member Posts: 578
    edited January 2010

    RNKaren I have your hair too and its been 16 months since my last chemo same chemo too and my hercepten ended 4-21-09 I have quit a bald area around the crown it does seem like since I encreased my water pills to 7 a day my hair has bloomed alot more maybe I am hoping spring it will make it all sprout like the grass. I am going to my 2nd derm in Feb also. I have decided as to look like somone from the nursing home which I am only 58 single too I will have to look into extensions but they sure wont be what Kate Goslins ha she has been all over the news today.I just want something permenant no wig thing but I will only be able to do this if my ins. will pick up on it since it was caused by chemo never had the problem before I had thick curly or wavy hair and lots of it and this is black baby hair and see he scalp and also straight awful. I do pray for all of us on the site and for all the ladies dealing with anything with cancer its a devils sickness only the devil could give this to us and I pray for our grand daughters and daughters to find some answers.. have a good weekend snow and 20 below in MO

    Maura

  • okblessed
    okblessed Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2011

    Hi Maura! Not as much snow in Oklahoma but we certainly have the low temperatures - I think it is 10 degrees right now.

    I think your hair is very similar to mine. I can't find any solution but a wig. I don't buy the expensive ones - my $400-500 ones were terrible - too thick and bulky. I have found that the Bobbi Boss and Rachel Welch ones work best - they are light and cooler. It is awful - I won't tell you it is not. Our support group is really good about sharing ideas so if you would like to join, please email me at kirbypk@yahoo.com and I will link you up with the others. We share all the things we try - doctor visit information - good days - bad days.

    I tried extensions - I don't wear acrylic nails because they 'feel' strange to me - so did extensions - and they had to be glued in and they had to be attached to a topper - so it wasn't much different than a wig except that it didn't come off and I didn't feel clean since I couldn't shampoo like I normally do. But it is certainly worth a try.

    Email me if you would like to join our group.  Yes, we all want to end breast cancer - my biggest concern is 'cause' so that we can eliminate it but with so many women being hit with it i think most research is going into how to keep us alive and cancer free.  If I had known this was going to happen I would have had a 'boob-removal' job long ago - I would rather have hair than boobs [at least i could have had implants and they would be more comfortable and dependable than a wig!LOL

    Stay warm.

    Blessings, Pam

  • RNKaren
    RNKaren Member Posts: 58
    edited January 2010

    Maura,

    Are you are going to a dermatologist for hair loss?

  • shirleyl
    shirleyl Member Posts: 167
    edited January 2010

    RNKaren - its very difficult because dermatologists have absolutly no experience with this problem. What makes it even harder is that the oncologists do not yet know what damage it has done. So if you dont understand the damage its impossible to figure a treatment. The common thoughts by the experts is that its caused Stem cell damage but we will have to wait and see.

    You can read about the survey they are doing in North west france here

    www.abstracts2view.com/sabcs09/viewp.php?nu=p3174

    this is a small region of France which is non highly populated

  • esmith1234
    esmith1234 Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2010

    Hi RNKaren,

    I just celebrated 5 years of survival following chemo (Adriamycin, Cytoxin, Taxotere).  I still have male pattern baldness and wear a hairpiece.  I'm still hoping that one day the hair fairy will visit and I won't have to wear a hairpiece or a hat anymore.  Glad you found us.

    Elaine

  • BabsinVA
    BabsinVA Member Posts: 2
    edited March 2010

    RNKaren  Sounds like I have the same situation as you do but 14 mos out. Had thick naturally curly hair that I loved and when not much had appeared after 6 mos my oncologist basically siad "gee this never happens I don't know what could have caused this".  I had breast cancer  21 years ago (no taxotere then but had agressive drugs) and at least then my hair came back beautifully. This feels doubly unfair. People don't recognize me.  I don't mind losing the boob as much as I do my hair.  I have seen two dermatologists, an endocrinologist, internist and all they could recommend was Rogaine.  I was not going to do it but finally did and I do have more hair but still very thin, No eyelashes or eyebrows but i don't care about those.  I can still see my scalp and it is straight  and dark.  I have wigs that I wear to business meetings but try to keep my scalp uncovered as much as possible.  I don't really know what else to do but am always searching. 

    Clearly we are not alone!

    Barbara

  • enjoylife
    enjoylife Member Posts: 578
    edited March 2010

    Do all the ongoloigst go to a class and put on the same face I DONT KNOW WHAT CAUSED THIS I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT HAPPEN BEFORE hmm I am 18 months out and still have to wear a cap not enough hair and flat and limp...

  • enjoylife
    enjoylife Member Posts: 578
    edited March 2010
    Fogot to say I have been to a MD and 2 derm. they all say Rogaine and to just wait and the boob was no big deal to loose but this is awful if you email me at bostonian3@yahoo.com you can meet allot of women on a site with the same problem
  • BabsinVA
    BabsinVA Member Posts: 2
    edited March 2010

    I think there is a secret memo that tells them all what to say and how to look equally perplexed about it.   I wish someone had been honest in the beginning and let me know there was this possibility.  I am an adult, I can weigh the odds and make decisions.  Maybe i would have chosen this if they convinced me that this was the best treatment for possible cure.  I am a triple negative so the targeted methods available in August 2008 didn't apply.  But I was the same profile 21 years ago and got my hair back!  Maybe sometimes the old methods are the best.  Anyway thanks for the e-mail and I will e-mail you to get linked up with the others in this same boat. 

    Barbara

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2010

    There's a long article in today's Globe and Mail (national Cdn paper) about hair loss with Taxotere.  Go to www.theglobeandmail.com and type in Lisa Priest + taxotere.

    Apparently the monograph that comes with all drugs clearly states that a possible s/e is permanent hair loss.  IMHO, there's really no excuse for oncs not warning patients about this, especially when there is an alternative (taxol).

  • anneoz
    anneoz Member Posts: 13
    edited March 2010

    I just read the article the Globe&Mail.

    I feel gratitude to the continued pressure by the women who have suffered a truly devastating result to their self-image from the taxotere treatment regimen. 

    The way I see it is that not only do they have to suffer the feeling of the disfigurement of permanent hair loss but when they try to get some redress by calling attention to this potential result (that may benefit others when discussing treatment options) they have often been belittled and treated dismissively by many in the medical community and women like ourselves who who should show some compassion and gratitude.

    I think these women (especially shirleyl and okblessed) should be admired for their tenacity in this fight for more accurate information from drug companies and caregivers.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited March 2010

    Thanks for pointing out the article. My experience with doctors has been the same as others. A blank looks comes over their faces and they say "it always grows back" even though it is clear that it doesn't. I saw a dermatologist and she just wanted to know if my father or mother were bald and she was saying it was hereditary (my mother was not bald until she had chemo). I've started the minoxidil but I'm not optimistic. I may try extensions although they sound as bad as a wig from what some of you say.  I had chemo a few years ago and at that time had FEC .. my hair grew back quickly and was thick. This time is different. I'm going to take the article to my onc next time I see her

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2010

    I had FEC and Taxotere, although Taxol was considered, and I cant remember why it wasn't the one chosen.  I'm so lucky that my hair did come back, but if I'd known there was any evidence showing that it might not, with taxotere, I certainly would have demanded taxol.

    I hope this article ends up in every Cdn oncologist's office and for those of you outside of Canada, I urge you to print it out and take it with you for your next visit.

    Helen, I hope minoxidil helps you, but do look into hair extensions -- I'm amazed at how cleverly they are attached and look like one's real hair.

    Hugs to all,   Linda

  • shadow2356
    shadow2356 Member Posts: 393
    edited March 2010

    I am doing taxotere and carboplatin. I read your post right before I started. Hair loss scared me but permanent hair loss completely freaked me out. I decided to try the Penguin cold caps because of what you wrote. I have 5 treatments down and have only lost some strands. I have lost all the rest of my body hair. No big deal. The cold caps are  a little hard but worth it.

    My chemo office said "what's the big deal? It grows back." Maybe not

    Good luck to everyone

  • anneoz
    anneoz Member Posts: 13
    edited March 2010

    It has been 10 months since I was treated with taxotere (TCH).  Like others among us in this thread, my hair was very very slow to come back and didn't start to grow until about 4 months after the last treatment. I now have about 1 1/2 inches of hair, it is baby fine and very thin on top and crown. I have a few stray eyebrows and eyelashes.  I am so distraught about it.

    Like many of us, I too feel that we have been misled about what can happen to us using taxotere and wonder why we weren't treated with Taxol. If the side effects are worse on taxol, I would still prefer that as at least the side-effects end. With permanent damage to our hair, there is NO END.

    I'm wondering if all those who have written who have had similar outcomes to mine have told their oncologists that this needs to be documented with the FDA as an adverse event. Having no eyebrows, eyelashes and very thin hair is very hard on us and changes the way we see ourselves from now on.  It is a BIG LOSS to us. We want this to be taken seriously.

    Perhaps then, our oncologists will be better informed because the data will be there. If none of us make it known that we have been devastated, disappointed, hurt by what has happened to our hair, this lack of information will continue to raise responses such as: "Gee, I never heard of that before".  With the data/information collected, there is the chance that other women will not have to suffer this fate.

  • Breast
    Breast Member Posts: 1
    edited March 2010
    You must take a multivitamin everyday and stick to drinking 10 glasses of water a day. Also recommend to read Myhairway book, about hair regrowth 
  • okblessed
    okblessed Member Posts: 92
    edited March 2010
    Hello Anne - please join us at kirbypk@yahoo.com. Blessings, Pam
  • ktsmny
    ktsmny Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2010

    I finished chemo on Nov 4th... 4 AC and 12 weekly Taxol. My side effects on Taxol were almost non-existent.,,nothing like the AC. My hair has come in very curly and is about 1 1/2 inches long but looks shorter because it is so curly. Unfortunately my hairline is now somwhat receding and I have no hair in the sideburn area.... I look somewhat like Queen Elizabeth I or maybe Art Garfunkel! lol  My eyelashes came back but have now fallen out again... the onc says they will come back. My eyebrows have not come back at all and the onc says they may not come back. I've found that no one notices that I have no eyebrows if I pencil them in lightly as little hairs rather than a longer line and then smudge them slightly with my ring finger or a Q-tip. Today I learned that I have some suspicious enlarged lymph nodes in chest/ lungs. Now hair loss sems like a minor thing. Wish me luck.

  • may31
    may31 Member Posts: 18
    edited March 2010

    I'm glad to see this thread is still alive and well!

    I just read the Globe article mentioned in one of the previous threads. I am glad to see there is more attention being paid to hair loss after taxotere.

    I had six rounds of carboplatin/taxotere in 2007 and a year of herceptin. A little math tells you that it has been almost 3 years since I lost all of my hair. I have been more fortunate than many of you in that I have had my hair return but it has been a very slow process. Needless to say the doctors really could not explain the cause other than the normal hereditary, menopausal possibilities. I still have a lot of thinness at the top but it appears that the regrowth/thickness  improves from the bottom up, if that makes sense.

    I did start taking biotin one year ago which was actually recommended by friends who were taking it for their own reasons, not cancer-related. I really think it has helped. I am seeing the oncologist today and will ask about rogaine. A friend suggested that as I didn't realize that it is available in pill form.

    I read somewhere on this site that it took a woman 5 years to have her hair return to normal. I know that may not help those who have lost all of their hair. I do really feel your pain as it is the last thing any of us need after having gone through treatment, etc. and it is hard to move on. The medical community should realize this when recommending the drug for treatment.

    Hugs to everyone!

  • okblessed
    okblessed Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2011

    Hi!

    Glad to hear that you are doing well and that you have had some hair return.  Still sad that so many 'new' women are joining us each week.  It seems that it has taken us so long to get even the one press release - and still women are receiving taxotere and not being told about the side effects.

    Please join us at:  www.aheadofourtime.org to learn about the latest on a number of topics of interest to our group.

    I have emailed Susan G Komen Foundation several times with no response.   I think if they ever recognized us the word would get to women and oncologist quickly.

    Have a wonderful day! Enjoy this sunshine!

    Pam

  • marcy4
    marcy4 Member Posts: 162
    edited May 2010

    I am meeting with my oncologist this week. I am scheduled for 3 x FEC and 3 Taxotere. I am not going to take the Taxotere. I will ask for an alternative.  The nurse I spoke with did not like my questioning the regime. She said it is the gold standard of treatment and she has never seen anyone with permanent hair loss. It might be an interesting appointment.  I have my second FEC next Monday.

  • Laurie_R
    Laurie_R Member Posts: 262
    edited May 2010

    does everyone who is given this drug wind up bald for life?

  • marcy4
    marcy4 Member Posts: 162
    edited May 2010

    No. It is my understanding that it is 3-6%, but I don't want to take any chances.  I figure I would never win the lottery, but I would be bald! I think most women are absolutely fine, but I am afraid.  I think I am more afraid of Lymphedema, baldness, and other side effects of Chemo than dieing of cancer!

  • marcy4
    marcy4 Member Posts: 162
    edited May 2010

    Laurie,

    I don't want to scare you. I have had one FEC treatment and it went extremely well. I only suffered from fatigue the first week and since that have been my normal self with no problems. My second one is on May 10th and I am not worried about it. I am assuming it will go the same way. One week of staying home and then 2 good weeks. If the worst of it is laying on the couch, I am OK with that. My hair is falling out and I think in a week or two it will be gone. So far my Chemo has been a breeze.  My concern is with the second phase and trying to decide what to do. Trying to make decisions and the unknown is what I find difficult.  I think whatever I decide I will always second guess if I was right or not, but I need to go with my gut and it says no taxotere.

  • enjoylife
    enjoylife Member Posts: 578
    edited May 2010

    I used Nixion and it didnt help at all i dont think now I am using Wen and it is making the hair I have healther you have to order it on line but Salllys has a kick off of it they say its the same. My hair was thin still is but a little wavy now it was not before WEN and I only use 4 pumps of it because of the hair loss. Good luck we at Taxotears know where you are coming from for sure...

    Maura

  • okblessed
    okblessed Member Posts: 92
    edited July 2011

    You MUST DO ABSOLUTELY WHAT IS BEST FOR YOUR HEALTH.

    MY CHOICE - If I had it to do over again - I WOULD NOT HAVE USED TAXOTERE - i would have taken a chance with another drug LIFE WITHOUT HAIR IS DEVASTATING AND SO FOR ME, BREAST CANCER STARES ME IN THE FACE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

    My quality of life is now very low.  My head hurts from trying to wear wigs all the time, my head gets very hot and sweaty. In the heat, the wig needs to be shampooed every day.  I have no eyebrows or eyelashes.

    The worst thing is ... THE SUSAN G KOMEN FOUNDATION IS NOT INTERESTED IN PUBLICIZING THIS TO WOMEN.

    ONCOLOGISTS SAY THEY ARE UNAWARE OF THIS SIDE EFFECT.

    FDA HAS HAD REPORTS FOR MORE THAN FIVE [5] YEARS.

    SANOFI AVENTIS WILL DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

    INSURANCE DOESN'T HELP.

    Visit our website for more information on what has happened to women around the world.

    www.aheadofourtime.org

  • marcy4
    marcy4 Member Posts: 162
    edited May 2010

    I meet with my oncologist tomorrow and am going to ask for an alternative drug.  I was thinking of Taxol.  Both drugs seem to have awful side effects, but I just plan to take one day at a time.  I know if I had a bad reaction to Taxotere, there would be another choice, so I just want that drug first.  I am interested in seeing what he suggests. I am sure he will not be happy about the appointment.

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