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  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited March 2010

    Ovaries are not the only place in the body that estrogen is produced....that and along with NM explanation is the reason ER/PR+ women are told to take either AI's or tamox post menopausal....I have been on AI's for 3 1/2 years and had an ooph about that long ago and still have hot flashes and night sweats....along with all the other side effects!!!!  I didn't have hot flashes during chemo (or atleast I don't remember having hot flashes on chemo)!!!

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  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited March 2010

    hi all...I will report what I learned.

    but the number one interesting thing was about after treatment care plans..

    it was fun, it was busy, it was EXHAUSTING

    There were a lot of young women who are getting very intense treatment. I felt like a bit of a slacker.

    I was sadly, shocked how most people had never heard of oncotype testing.

    The dancing was fun. There were a lot of cool little organizations.

    BTW if you were DX'ed under 45, you can go even if you are over 45. 

    There was a sex toy party. There was a really really good seminar for stage 4.

    Oh,,,and my roomate was hungry for cookies the whole time and I was not!!! WTF?

    I told her my cookie demon escaped my body and slipped into her's.

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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2010

    Cookie! I thought of you as the crowds rang COWBELLS when we won the gold at hockey!

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  • PauldingMom
    PauldingMom Member Posts: 927
    edited March 2010

    I was told to increase Vit. E for hot flashes. Pre-menopause before Chemo.  Chemo. sent me into menopause, but on the plus side it also got rid of a pesky toe nail fungus! Kinda radical treatment for fungus but always looking for that silver lining. 

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  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited March 2010

    Cookie, tell about the after treatment care plans that was your highlight. 

    I thought that Oncotype was moving toward becoming the standard of care for for the early, node neg., hormone pos. B/Cs...guess there are only pockets of information out there and it's not that widespread yet.  Just getting that type of info.--that's a benefit of these forums.   The conference sounds fun and tiring both.

    Barbe1958, How 'bout the Men's Curling Gold?  I'm gonna miss all that action of men shouting "clean, clean, clean" at each other.

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  • carolinachick
    carolinachick Member Posts: 387
    edited March 2010

    Meece - Congrats on the great scan news!  I hope you celebrated this weekend!

    Cookie - I'm so glad you went to the conference and had a good time.  Do you know if it's in Atlanta every year?  If so, I'll have to plan on attending next year.

    Elimar - I enjoyed men's curling as well.  There was a good looking man on both the Norwegian and Canadian teams.  Mmm, mmm good!

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  • OG56
    OG56 Member Posts: 897
    edited March 2010
    Deborye, LMAO  I have not heard that expression "tub of lard"since my Grandpa left for the otherside of life! I knew before BC that peri and post menopausal women develop fatter tummies because the body is trying to provide fat over the ovaries forcing them into producing more hormones!  Dirty little bastards, I miss a flat stomach and if fat was the only cause of a reoccurance I'd be in big trouble. I think they should come up with a skinny pill that has no SE's!
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  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited March 2010
    carolinachick, If you like a little eye-candy along with your sport spectating, don't miss World Cup Soccer this summer.  Yes, those guys are young (the oldest probably being mid-thirties) but every team has a few hotties on it and at peak fitness.  When they score a goal, the guy celebrates by removing his jersey!  (Not so much since they made a penalty for doing that.)  I'm a soccer mom, and I'll be watching anyway, hotties or no hotties.  (Come to think of it, I'm about old enough to BE their mom.  Eeeeew!)
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  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited March 2010

    I was surprised once again.  I got my mail today and I had a letter from my imaging center letting me know the results.  One week and I have written confirmation!  My old imaging center locally didn't even bother to tell me of the abnormalities until three weeks after the scans.  By that time, my Onc had already seen the report and called me to schedule the biopsy.  Just one more indication that I am finally in the right place and on the right track with my healthcare.

    I am with you, OmnahaGirl, on the skinny pill.  Since my dx, I have become wary of anything that isn't "nature made".  I worry about those little fine print words "has been shown to cause cancer" or "may cause cancer".  Or if they just haven't been forced to reveal what it may cause.

    On the lighter side, don't you love th ads for Prescriptions nowdays.  You have aching feet?  Well, take, "pedi-cure" and your feet won't hurt anymore.  Never mind that "Pedi-cure" has been shown to cause unexplained bleeding, heart failure, sexual importence, pulmonary failure and in some cases fatality.  Your feet won't hurt, so get your doctor to prescribe it.

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  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited March 2010

    Meece...they have 8 days to send you a written confirmation. This is something new I think.

    Otherwise they can get in trouble.

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  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited March 2010

    Wow, my "other" imaging company would be in big trouble then.  Guess they thought if there were marble floors and high priced art in the waiting room, you wouldn't really care if you gat the test results.

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  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited March 2010

    Elimar..after care planning!

    http://bit.ly/9HXTQc

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  • faithandfifty
    faithandfifty Member Posts: 10,007
    edited March 2010

    HI Middies!!!!

    I've been M.I.A. from the cheeto-thread to have been so self-absorbed lately...... and now I interrupt for a very wonderful invitation to anyone willing to get involved.

    Our stage IV sister, whose nick-name here is "Saint" is about to celebrate her birthday on March 9th. I'm attempting to get a 'shower' of birthday cards to her..... It doesn't matter if your paths have never particularly crossed -- she has got to be one of the most deserving gals around here of your support.

    If you're willing to send a card, please PM me and I'll give you her address.

    She and I have met in real-life about 8 or 10 times, sometimes for a day and once for nearly a week. She has taught me much.

    (Her doctors gave her a few days more to live back in November, but the prayers of many & her detmination and obstiancy have kept her alive till this milestone -- just around the corner.)

    If any of you have access to a group: Brownies, church group, book club etc etc. who could send cards or hand-prints or finger painted happy faces, it would be awesome if her mail box were over flowing.

    PM me for her address and tell anyone that you can think of -- here @ BCO or good do-ers in your real world.

    xx00xx00xx00xx

    Strength and courage.

    Strength and courage.

    Strength and courage.

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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2010

    Meece, I like your term "sexual importance" above! hehehehehehehehe

    It's like the ads for meds in magazines. One page is a pretty women being very happy she took the meds. The flip side of the page is tiny, tiny print explaining everything that could/would/should happen to you if you take the same med!

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  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited March 2010
    Barbe, how I missed that I don't know.  I proofread it before I hit submit.  Oh well.  I thinkit's important!Embarassed
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  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited March 2010

    Hey, barbe, should I edit?

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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2010

    NO! Then no one will understand my post!

    I think it's a very appropriate word...hehehehehe

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  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited March 2010

    Okay...now I will pretend I did it on purpose!

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  • Eph3_12
    Eph3_12 Member Posts: 4,781
    edited March 2010

    FYI, I'm sitting here after a long day at work, talking with whiny butts, so now I'm eating eating a serving (read that 1 sleeve) of YES- Girl Scout Cookie-Thin Mints!  My neighbor girl delivered over the weekend-I already wiped out a box of Tagalogs (or whatever the peanut butter ones are) YUMMY! 

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  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited March 2010

    Oh, now I am drooling onto my keyboard!  I want some, please.

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  • OG56
    OG56 Member Posts: 897
    edited March 2010
    Okay EPH pass over the cookies!!!!!!! I am starting Atkins tomorrow and would have loved to put on a pound or two tonight eating those cookies damn itYell
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  • elimar86861
    elimar86861 Member Posts: 7,416
    edited March 2010

    Good Luck on the Atkins diet, OmahaGirl.  Hopefully you got in a few last Cheetos.  I think they are a no-no for just about every diet program out there...That''s what makes them so good.

    cookiegal, in reading the brief article from your link, I reflected on the statement,"She says that cancer survivors can emerge with increased self esteem and a sense of mastery,,,"  I kind of feel like that.  It has been many years since I have tried to learn something as in-depth as I have learned about my cancer.  I now know I can read, understand, analyze and synthesize information from countless articles, medical abstracts and people fairly well.  To the point that I have been asked by more than one clinician if I come from a medical background.  I just laugh and say, "Yeah, I have an associates degree in breast cancer now."  I know I have the self esteem, don't know if I will ever feel the mastery though.


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  • PauldingMom
    PauldingMom Member Posts: 927
    edited March 2010

    I hear ya elimar- Now when someone says "My sister/mother had B.C.?" I have 101 questions and hopefully even a few answers. 

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  • KAJDerby
    KAJDerby Member Posts: 310
    edited March 2010

    PauldingMom- I love your quote from Erma!  She is one of my favorite reads.

    Omahagirl-Hope your Atkins start goes well.  Mydaughter is doing that and has lost 73 pounds in six months!

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  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited March 2010

    OG are milkshakes with Jim Beam on the diet? :(

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  • OG56
    OG56 Member Posts: 897
    edited March 2010

    Ha! no whiskey milkshakes for a while darn it! I have never had to diet before and now many pounds later it seems somewhat insurmountable, but the Atkins plan is more my cup of tea versus other plans and I am keeping it healthy minus all the red meat etc.

    I too share that sentiment Elimar I know more about pleomorphic LCIS than my oncologist and my BS is a specialist and I update her sometimes.. so now I try not to be snotty with Dr's and nurses but I hate it when they tell me something I know is absolutely not the truth, because I have been taught better right here on this message board through all of you who have their degree's in BC. I guess they don't think we will be so smart! 

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  • Eph3_12
    Eph3_12 Member Posts: 4,781
    edited March 2010

    You gals ARE my medical sources, and it is what I do (analyze medical records for people trying to get Social Security disability).  Thanks for being so free with all your knowledge!

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  • Kleenex
    Kleenex Member Posts: 764
    edited March 2010

    Re: the Adkins diet - make sure you read the book and do it properly. My MIL did it years ago and she just made it up as she went along, based on her own concept of "healthy proteins." We'd go to Costco and she'd have two foot-long Polish sausages, minus the bun. Bags of pork rinds. Tons of super-high-fat, nitrate-laden foods. It was disgusting.

    This is one of those things where I can make myself crazy: my MIL has done SO many wacky diets, but does SHE have cancer? No. A typical day might be 20 cans of Diet Rite, several cigarettes, no breakfast, no lunch, and a HUMONGOUS dinner ("dinner is the most social meal, so that's when I eat"). And here I am eating three balanced meals a day and my body grows a globule of evil.

    Go figure. Time for some Thin Mints...

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  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2010
    Fair enough....but DID she lose weight??? Surprised
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  • KAJDerby
    KAJDerby Member Posts: 310
    edited March 2010

    Barbe1958 - that was funny!!

    Our daughter read everything before starting and keeps up with the menus and recipes online.  She eats so much healthier now.  Lots of salads, just have to watch which vegies to use.  She eats much fewer calories than before and eats better also.  Atkins really encourages fiber.  If something has a fiber content, you subtract it from the carbs and you get NET carbs.  She found some wholegrain tortillas that have very few carbs and makes herself pizza on one.  Net carbs is small because of the fiber.  This is not a diet.  It is a lifestyle change and that is the only way diets really work.  Good luck!!

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