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  • Grazie47
    Grazie47 Member Posts: 94
    edited February 2010

    Found this on another thread and thought since we are now starting to have "Hair Issues" it would be appropriate.

    Ode to my Hair

     Oh how I love my short black hair

    To be losing it now just don't seem fair

    But how can I complain about mere hair

    When the Lord sees fit my life to spare


    But still as I watch the strands come out

    I laugh, I cry, I cringe, I shout

    I see more of my scalp with each passing day

    And know soon my hair will be all gone away


    The wig I chose is actually pretty good

    It fits my head just the way that it should

    And I got a few hats that make me look sassy

    Plus a silky black turban that's really quite classy


    I hear that when it starts growing back

    It may come in blonde instead of black

    Now that would certainly be a sight to see!

    Would anyone even recognize me?


    All in all, I will try not to despair

    Over temporary loss of my short black hair

    For the loss is merely a small sacrifice

    For the blessing of living a long healthy life

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2010

    A friend of mine sent me this link. I'm not sure how reputible this website is, but it is an interesting read!

     http://www.naturalnews.com/028256_bitter_melon_brst_cancer.html

  • faithfulc
    faithfulc Member Posts: 284
    edited February 2010

    Grazie47, nice poem. It's so right what writer's friend said - I can't believe how much I've already been through over the past couple of months. I have young children and my plan is to be with them as long as I can, Any treatment I can live with, along with its SE, as long as that's an informed decision I make with onc's guidance.



    Yesterday was day 3 after second TC and I had Neulasta in the morning. Convinced myself to do the 30-min walk at work and it went well. By 3pm Icompletely ran out of gas. Came home from work and napped until dinner - didn't eat much. Then went back to bed and just couldn't pull myself up again. I know the Anzemet works by blocking the happy hormone, and I will get better when I stop taking it (I'm supposed to take one every morning for 3 days). Then this morning, looks like signs of a period - I'm very regular and this is 5 days late. I don't even know if this reaaly is one. Nurse warned me chemo could through this in turmoil. She's right. Great. A bald, tired, slightly depressed 40-year old on chemo and dealing with a possible period.



    But again, I consider myself 1/3 done. I'm jealous of you TC 4x sisters. There's more fatigue this second round and I hope it won't go down a straght line from here. 4 more...



    There, I feel better ... Thank you all for being here and listening. Teemee it's so good to see your posts again!

  • Ezscriiibe
    Ezscriiibe Member Posts: 598
    edited February 2010

    Ugh, faithful, hate to hear your dragging yourself around like that, and on a period, no less! I haven't had a period since I was 27 (I'm 54 now) -- I would be soooooo b*tchy if I got one now!

    Beth, I'm, by nature, a skeptic. Cinnamon can also regulate blood sugar and/or cholesterol -- oatmeal can, alpha limpoic acid can. . . there are all sorts of "natural" things that can work on our system. . . to a point. If they were as predictable and legitimate as we would want, then our state of medicine would be much different. And it's not because Big Pharma makes Big Money off it the meds. Trust me, there are lots of organizations making Big Money off of "natural" supplements and the like. 

    I remember the "peach pit cancer cure" that was all the hot news in the 1970s. People, desperate for a cure, often rejected standard treatment in order to be "cured" by the peach pit shamans. Needless to say, it rarely, if ever worked out well.

    I'm not saying that the bitter melon is quakery, and anything that will advance science closer to a treatment that will be more effective is okay by me.

    But, I still do not use cinnamon to control my glucose levels, nor do I would I use oats to control my cholesterol (if I have been diagnosed with high cholesterol). I would, and do, include both in my diets to help, but not to replace my medications. And if it were found that either were contraindicated  while on my medications, I would ditch them in a heartbeat. 

  • CinD
    CinD Member Posts: 163
    edited February 2010

    Toni, I'm sorry you've had so much to get thru but am glad to hear you're making progress. Hope your stomach is feeling better. I think you're wise to explain to your oncologist all that has been happening and how you feel, and hopefully you'll be able to work out something with the chemo start date. Here's to hoping you feel stronger every day!  And congratulations on the job!

    Christine, hope you're still feeling well after your second treatment. I'm glad buzzing your hair has given you a sense of control. I think it's interesting how we all handle the hair issue. I've taken a different approach, stubborn to the end, making the hair fall out on its own. I saw the doctor yesterday, and they were a little surprised at Day 21 that I still have hair. They told me there are a few rare people who manage to keep some of their hair throughout treatment. Although that would be nice, I'm expecting this second treatment to knock it. I had more in my comb this morning than I've had the past 3 days, but no outright bald spots, just wispiness. My goal was to have enough hair to get through my second treatment, silly I know but a personal triumph and little mood booster. We all need those!

    Verene, please let us know how you're doing, and I know it is hard not to be able to respond to everyone. The important thing is letting us know how everything is going with you.

    Faithfulc, thanks for your update. When I got my period the week after my first infusion, it really slowed me down. I had some of the typical down feeling, mentally and physically, that I always get with periods.  I'm big on ibuprofen to feel better while on my period, but my onc said no to ibuprofen or any blood thinner while on chemo. So, I took some of the percoset my plastic surgeon gives me for my expander soreness, and that helped a lot. I felt a lot better once the worst of the period was over, about 3 days in, so I'm hoping that happens for you. It took a little time for my energy to come back, but I'm 9 years older than you, so that may account for it. ;)

    I had my second infusion yesterday, and it went so much better than the first! This one was a little under two hours. It only took two sticks to find the perfect spot, I didn't have any reactions so they were able to speed it in, and I spent the whole time reading a great book. I even stopped to grocery shop on the way home and picked up a pizza while I could still taste.  Now it's waiting to see how I react to this one. So far so good except for flushing from the steroids. Off to drink and pee, then repeat often, then onto a shower. Like others have said, the chemo seems to leak from the pores making more showers a necessity.

    Be well, or as well as chemo allows. We're getting there!

    Cindy

  • writer
    writer Member Posts: 208
    edited February 2010

    That's rotten about your doc not getting some of you on Neulasta right away, but I agree with Grace, it's probably an insurance thing. It costs a fortune, so some plans probably require a demonstrated need to be shown. I know my nurse practitioner said many people's insurance coverage won't cover Emend, or at least make the oncologist's office fight for it -- she said I was lucky that mine covered it without a fuss. (It's also insanely expensive, but it obviously works, because I didn't have a whit of nausea.)

    But damn, this chest thing is really hammering me. Was at the onc's office yesterday for my pre-chemo blood work (white blood cell count good) and talked to them about it, and they really don't know if it's a side effect or some weird bug. They prescribed codeine, which unfortunately the pharmacy didn't have ready by closing, so I didn't have it last night. I'm running on 5 hours sleep a night lately. Gotta keep coughing up stuff in my chest. But no fever and I'm fine otherwise. Has anyone else heard of such a thing as a chemo side effect? I've always had mild asthma (very well controlled), so maybe I'm prone to this, but it's not asthma-- there's stuff in my chest.

    It's probably just a mild case of bronchitis. But I've never had anything like this before. If it's a SE and I have this for four months I'll be an unhappy camper....

    But wait, didn't I just post about not complaining?!?! Okay, just here. Back to being positive.

    Colleen 

  • Ezscriiibe
    Ezscriiibe Member Posts: 598
    edited February 2010

    Colleen, are you a smoker? Or have you been around second hand smoke a lot?

    I know that when I was a smoker (in my younger days) when I finally quit for good, my lungs was sloughing off a lot of the mucous that it had accummulated around my air sacks and bronchial tubes to "protect" against the cigarette toxins that I was inhaling. So when I quit, the lungs started to dislodge that mucous and I had what felt like to me the worst case of bronchitis EVER!

    I hate that you are going through this, because I know how miserable I was! I was exhausted simply from all that coughing!

  • writer
    writer Member Posts: 208
    edited February 2010

    Hell no, never smoked a day in my life! (Well, that one time in high school after too much Andre champagne-- anyone remember that swill?-- after friends badgered me, and I immediately threw up.) My mom smoked when we were kids, and she's full of guilt for what it might have done to us kids, but she quit long, long ago.

    Anyway, it's not from smoke-- I'm never around it. It's a mystery. I guess just a weird bug. I did have a runny nose and then sore throat, but ignored them because they're typical chemo symptoms, but it must have been a virus that's now in my chest. I've been on antibiotics since Monday, and it's gotten worse instead of better, so it's not a bacterial thing.

    I shall be patient and hope it passes by Chemo Monday. 

  • retrievermom
    retrievermom Member Posts: 522
    edited February 2010

    I really dreaded round 2 with my DH out of town, but so far, so good.  Loading up on water the days before and during seems to have helped a great deal.  Not nauseated, but taking zofran on schedule.  My onc discounted my feelings that the neulasta brought on head cold type symptoms the last time, but I feel it happening again.  Now I know it won't last long, and can deal better.

    Love the stories of the snow in NJ.  That is where my son is.  He was bummed that a planned trip to the Met had to be canceled yesterday.  Out here in UT we are having what amounts to a spring-type weekend.  Hope to feel up to going out and walking puppy later today.  Yesterday, a friend came over with her granddaughter, and I had the young girl go outside and play with the pup.  That really helped me get some rest later.  

    Someone mentioned a friend not being in touch, and feelings hurt.  I have two close co-workers who have not said word one to me about this, but what really bites is my younger sister.  I see she what she's up to on fb, but she can't even pick up the phone?  We lost an older sister to brain cancer 12 years ago; you'd think she'd realize this is serious stuff.  On the other hand, there are folks who have really surprised me.  A gal I knew in grad school and haven't seen in 25 years sent me a care package.  Emails and cards from others.  

    Was trying to tie scarves yesterday and found a neat video at coveryourhair.com.  I'd seen the Sikh turban (not my style) and some Islamic sites; of course there's an Orthodox market for head coverings, duh.  

  • ariesrottie
    ariesrottie Member Posts: 260
    edited February 2010

    Good morning Girls! 2 days after treatment feel ok... Took my claritan again today... Walked my mile and now I am going to take a shower to get this smell of chemo off of me... OMG! I can't believe the ammount of the nuelasta shot.... I guess I really don't care right now... Need to get better. WE all do....!!!!!

    Sun is out finallly I guess I will run some errands get them done.

    HUG,

    Donna

  • burley
    burley Member Posts: 631
    edited February 2010

    The hair on my head and my pubic hairs are in a race to see which can fall out the fastest...but the eyebrows and eyelashes are not budging!  Weird, huh?

    And at Day 16, I suddenly have a nasty metal taste in my mouth I can't get rid of!  ugh.  Tastes like I've been chewing on tin foil.  I know I'm not drinking enough fluids, but water tastes really disgusting right now.

    I got my period about 3 days after my first treatment-dang!  I was hoping it wouldn't come.  Weird thing is I'm still spotting.  I read that the chemo can stop your period completely, slow them down, cause strange spotting, etc.  But this is just plain annoying!

    I don't have the chemo smell yet, but remember it all too well from when my mom went through it...and then when my mother in law went through it, I couldn't stand to hug her.  I'm not looking forward to smelling it on myself!  I'll have to Febreeze myself-LOL

  • makmak
    makmak Member Posts: 632
    edited February 2010

    Have a question to put out there for everyone!!  I've had 2 of my weekly tx, and the second one was much better as far as managing all the SE's.. BUT, my issue is my PORT!! after having it in for 2 weeks it's still throbbing.. Two nights ago after a shower it hurt so bad that my DH said he almost fell out of bed from my screaming.. I can't sleep on my right side and can't pick up my 13 lb baby because of the pain...Anyone else having issues? My Dr said to take Tylenol.. and because of my liver mets I wouldn't even think of it.. Suggestions??

  • ginadmc
    ginadmc Member Posts: 263
    edited February 2010

    I had my first AC treatment yesterday and it went pretty well, not as scary as I thought. I made the mistake of not eating enough before and after treatment. I felt pretty good right after I got home and took dog for walk/run. Shortly after that I dwindled and had mild to moderate nausea. Took compazine and drank ginger ale until bed. Today I feel foggy headed and stayed close to my bed until 1pm. Had Neulasta shot at 3pm. Is is ok to take Claritin with dinner tonight or do I take it sooner? How many days should I take it?

  • Grazie47
    Grazie47 Member Posts: 94
    edited February 2010

    ginadmc - I took my Claritin the morning before I got the shot, then once a day for four more days.  I would definitely take one ASAP.

  • me2u
    me2u Member Posts: 52
    edited February 2010

    wow, i didnt know the Neulasta shot cost so much in states cos here in Singapore, its S$2k per shot.

    today is day 12, definitely better, strength is back and am going for walk starting this evening :) btw, is anyone losing weight fast? i can lose 1kg a day so ONC asked me to drink high calories milk before bedtime, drank some sample packs given by him and its just awful, too concentrated for my liking. daily, am eating every 2-3hrs with 2 servings of fruits + biscuits + wholegrain bread and 1 big plate of steamed vegs or noodles or cod fish or steam/grilled chicken/beef/pork for lunch and dinner and glass of low fat milk twice a day to maintain my weight. in between lots of water as well. this diet makes me clear my bowel at least once a day.

    coming wed is my blood count check, keeping my fingers crossed!

  • Ezscriiibe
    Ezscriiibe Member Posts: 598
    edited February 2010

    Bone pain question:

    For those of you who experienced the bone pain from Neulasta, could you describe it in more detail?  Is it a sharp, localized stabbing pain, or a more wide-area, squeezing/pressure pain?

    Here is why I am asking.

    About 4 or 5 days after my first chemo infusion, my bones felt like they were in a vise. The "squeezing" pain was not terribly intense, and it wasn't constant, more like in "waves" at different times in different parts of my body.

    Now, the day after my Neupogen shot (similar to a neulasta shot), I am getting sudden, and repeated, "stabbing" pains in various parts of my body, mostly down to the bone.

    They are completely different from the "squeezing/pressure" type pains, and totally random. I would describe them more concentrated, like a knitting needle being jabbed into one area, say my right knee. Then after about 10 minutes that will go away and nothing for a while, then my left upper arm bone will get the knitting needle treatment.

  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited November 2010

    michele--i think everyone experiences it different.  because it depends on which bones in your body get prompted to start producing more cells.  for me it initially hits in my left thigh for some reason.  call it what you want, stabbing, throbbing, aching...it hurts...plus if i bend that leg it almost makes me pass out.  then on day 2or3 it hits my back.   right side no boob & still painful, left side throbbing port, left leg aching, back aches.....chronic neck & foot problems....lets see doing inventory here...wear glasses,   constipated, hair falling out....hmm...yeah, i guess my right leg is still good.  gma always said it's either an ass or an elbow.

    tata

  • ariesrottie
    ariesrottie Member Posts: 260
    edited February 2010

    I have a few questions... Escriiibe:  I thought after  my chemo I was getting pain in hip socket that I thought I would cramp up and not be able to walk again. It worked itself out and only get it once in a while in different parts of my body.. I do feel the my bones are in a vise... The pain is not bad but I wish I felt normal .... Will we ever feel normal again..?. Today day3 after my first treatment feel weak, foggy head and shaky.... I don' think I have the energy right now to walk on treadmil... The shower took enough out of me... Maybe because I didn't sleep tp well last night...

    Took my claritan... Thank goodness no nausea but lots of bulching.....

    Does everyone get a Neupogen shot....??? Why didn't I get one after my Nuelasta shot??? What is it for.???

    Donna

  • faithfulc
    faithfulc Member Posts: 284
    edited February 2010

    ariesrottie, here's my understanding of the shots.  Neupogen is similar to Neulasta, only it is not as long lasting and needs to be administered daily.  Neulasta is sort of a "slow and long release" version of Neupogen, so one shot carries you through in between treatments.  They work in the same way.

    Ezscriiibe, this second time around, Neulasta barely hurt.  I didn't have to take anything for it.  Got lucky, I guess.  Much better than the first time, although that wasn't too bad.  The pain was mainly in my long bones: legs in particular.  Shooting, sometimes dull, but not too bad.  Never too much pressure type pain.  Hope your pain goes away FAST!

  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited November 2010

    donna--they are two different products that basically do the same thing.  neulasta is given the day after tx one time, neupogen is given for six days after tx typically.  they are from two different companies i believe, and the reason you get one or the other is maybe determined more by your insurance and/or dr preference.  can't quite remember....

  • mofend
    mofend Member Posts: 140
    edited February 2010
    Hi - just wanted to relate something to everyone so you don't freak out like I did.  I had noticed a bruise on my surgery side arm - a bit below the armpit and on the inside of the arm.  Just figured I bumped it - don't know how you bump that part of your arm, but that's what I thought.  Anyway, yesterday in the shower I felt a big lump right above the bruise - scared the living s*#t out of me and I just about passed out.  I automatically jumped right to me having a huge cancerous lump in my lymph system and that that's it for me.  This also stems from my eighth grade science teacher saying - ladies, if you ever feel a large lump under you arm you can kiss your butts goodbye!  That will forever be imbedded in my brain.  Anyway, called my surgeon and she asked me to describe it explicitly and she has assured me that it's something called a seroma - you can see a description of them on this site if you search the word.  Anyway, it's basically a fluid filled sac that forms when you overdo it - not lymphedema, though.  It goes away on its own and you just have to watch what you do.  I have an appointment to see her first thing tomorrow just to be 100% sure (because, like I said, I almost lost it), but after reading everything, it's a good match for what I have.  Soooo, the long and short of this story is that if any of you experience a similar thing, don't assume the worst like I did - that probably took ten years off my life just by me freaking out.  That's the beauty of this board, I think, so that we can help to alleviate each others fears.  Anyway, hope no one experiences this, but just in case - breathe, call your doc, and don't assume the worst.  Off to second treatment Wednesday.  Hope everyone who's having bone pain and other SEs gets better soon.  Take care - Mo 
  • Ezscriiibe
    Ezscriiibe Member Posts: 598
    edited February 2010

    Mofend, I got that too, right after my lumpectomy/sentinel node biopsy. It wound up swollen, almost rock hard, to the size of a goose egg.

    Donna, neupogen is given if neulasta wasn't. They do basically the same thing. I will be getting the Neulasta shot from now on, but the first infusion my onc doesn't give it until a week out after a CBC. It's too late for Neulasta by then, so he gives neupogen.

    Thanks, faithful, that description was helpful.

  • burley
    burley Member Posts: 631
    edited February 2010

    I shaved my head last night (really, the husband did it), and I do not look good bald...not that any of us do, I was just hoping for a pleasant surprise for some reason.

    I laughed while we were doing it, and now I'm miserable.  I haven't been able to buy my wig yet (lack of $), so I'll be going to my second fill appointment tomorrow with a baseball cap on.  Humpf.

    My dogs were fine with it, but the cat freaked out?!  And my kids are freaking out-not helping!

  • ariesrottie
    ariesrottie Member Posts: 260
    edited February 2010

    Burley- Sorry about the hair thing.. I'll be right behind you... I know will be freaking out..

    Thanks everyone for the information about nuepogen nd nuelasta... Got it now..

    Today I started to feel a little  tingling in the finger tips and toes.... What can I do to prevent any more of this?

    Mo- thanks foir the info.... I hope it works outs... I sure you surgeion is right. Good luck with your second treatment... Keep us posted...

    Feel good... Hope we have little SE.... ALL OF US!!!!

    Donna

  • makmak
    makmak Member Posts: 632
    edited February 2010

    Donna,  I started the tingles in the figner tips the day after my first TX.  I immediately called the Dr and the pharmacist there told me to go buy Acetyl L-Carnatine.  It's at GNC or any of those places.  I take 500 mg twice a day, between meals.  Works like magic.  I have no idea what it is, but it worked.. I was to the point where I had trouble typing!!  

  • ginadmc
    ginadmc Member Posts: 263
    edited February 2010

    Grazie47- Thanks for the info on the Claritan. I did take it right after I asked the question. I will take it in the morning from now on. I don't have any bone pain from Neulasta but I will continue to take the Claritan for the next few days.

    Donna- We must be on the same schedule. My first AC treatment was 2/26 I was nauseated and foggy headed yesterday. Today, I was very tired in the morning but was able to take a shower and walk the dog by 2pm. I'm going to take it easy for the rest of the afternoon. I'm not sure about work tomorrow.

  • mofend
    mofend Member Posts: 140
    edited February 2010

    Burley - check your private messages - it's at the top of the page - Mo

  • salsoda62
    salsoda62 Member Posts: 18
    edited February 2010

    I took the Claritan and it seemed to help, because when I FORGOT to take it yesterday, I felt the pain, mostly in my back, neck and shoulders, but then it went away when I took the pill. Today is day 5 for me and I feel much better than I could have hoped. Still tired and foggy, but no nausea at all since the infusion. I did learn that women like me who don't get motion sickness and had no nausea during pregnancy have much less chance of getting nausea during chemo. I do have heartburn and seem to be burping up a storm, but I won't complain about that! Plus my lovely stepdaughter surprised me by showing up from college (she's in San Diego) and we went out together for a short shopping trip today, which made me feel almost normal.

    I hope you all have a good rest of your day.

    Sally

  • ariesrottie
    ariesrottie Member Posts: 260
    edited March 2010

    Today day 4... Feeling like a whole new person.. Yesterday aches, neck pain. bone twinges. Head was very foggy... Today much better I even walked a mile... Not much but I'm not pushing it. I do want to go back to work a little but not sure how much I will be able to handle. I guess I play it by ear... I still need my fills for my breast too.. How did we get into this position?

    Thanks girls for being there for me... Don't know what i would do without you girls.

    HUGS-

    Donna

  • mebrown
    mebrown Member Posts: 74
    edited March 2010

    My DH shaved my head a couple of days ago. My oldest daughter was here and said I reminded her of a conehead (anyone remember that show?).  We had a good laugh. 

    Have 2nd treatment tomorrow. Have to see regular doctor today because my sugar is going crazy. Also find out my DHs PET scan results tomorrow. Hope he will not have to go through chemo again but I have a feeling he will be.

    Sorry to hear about so many having the SEs they have. I am not looking forward to the next Neulasta shot either.  

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