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  • kimber3006
    kimber3006 Member Posts: 586
    edited February 2010

    So I've heard the term "chemo brain" and just assumed that was what was going on with me, that it's normal at this stage in the game.  But is it?  I have to really concentrate HARD to answer questions and form intelligent, coherent responses at work.  I find myself wandering from room to room in my house not able to remember why I started into one and forgetting why I went to the next by the time I get there.  And for the record, I have a very small house!  On the phone I drop off in the middle of a sentence and after spacing out for a bit, finally admit I'm unable to remember what I was talking about.  I got a pan out of the kitchen cupboard last night, wandered into the living room with it still in my hand, and was just standing there spaced out when my husband reminded me I was going to start the water for the pasta.  Granted, the more tired I get, the worse it gets, but wow!  Will I be able to remember my way home by the end of this?  Don't even ask how long it took me to type this out......

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Im 2 yrs past chemo....and I still have post chemo isuues. I did refer to it as "chemo brain", but after having a conversation with my onc about concentration ect..ect...he said its most likely due to lack of estrogen (Lupron) now. Undecided

    Things are a bit better than say 1 year ago, but I am more forgetful. I have to write everything down. I use to be such a multitasker...not anymore. New normal I guess?

  • Bugs
    Bugs Member Posts: 1,719
    edited February 2010

    Yep..yep!  I'm 4 years out and I would have to agree with Lexi that mine is a combo of chemo and lack of estrogen.  Estrogen..the wonder hormone.

    I'm taking a class and my retention of this info is TERRIBLE.  I was complaining to my mom about that and she sounded so surprised "but in high school you tested so high in your retention"..yeah...umm..alot has happened and alot of years have gone by since then. :)

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Bugs,

    I was having a conversation with my husband a few weeks ago. I was telling him thank god I finished my education before my diagnosis. There would be no way I could have the motivation/drive, concentration and memory skills to do any schooling now. Frown

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited February 2010

    Chemo brain drove me crazy and gave my friends and family a lot to laugh at.  Twice while cooking I put a pan on the stove, turned on the burner and walked off.  Smelled something, went into the kitchen and oops..........I was burning the pan.   Another time I started to make lunch, got distracted walked away............about an hour later went back into the kitchen and for the life of me couldn't remember why food was on the counter, DH reminded me.  Then there were the times like you mentioned, mid sentence forgetting what the conversation was about.  I am also an avid reader and found that during chemo I couldn't read books, only magazines or newspapers.  My concentration level was terrible!!!  Although I still have spurts of feeling like I'm spaced it is better and I'm glad to say I've read two books since stopping chemo and am starting on a third. 

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited February 2010

    Chemo brain was my roommate for a while! Fortunately, it does get better.

    I was once doing errands during chemo when I noticed that I wasn't wearing my ring (replacement wedding ring) which I ALWAYS have on. I carefully looked through all my packages, didn't find it, and started to review in my head the stores I had been to so I could go back and search. Let's see, I just came from the bookstore, and before that -

    Before that I was at the jeweller, where I'd dropped off my ring for repair.

    Leah

  • Diana63
    Diana63 Member Posts: 773
    edited February 2010

    I was driving to work one day during treatment and got 2 blocks from the house I have lived in for over 20 years and couldn't remember where I was. Thats just one time, I have had many, many more chemo brain moments.

  • tamlyn110
    tamlyn110 Member Posts: 195
    edited February 2010

    I am constantly forgetting words  that I want to use/say. I just can't think of them. I even forgot my doctors name. Sometimes I feel like I am going crazy and I think people think I am because I can't hold an intelligent conversation at times.

  • kathimdgd
    kathimdgd Member Posts: 268
    edited February 2010

    I'm a year out from chemo,and while it's a little better,it hasn't gone completely away.

    I made banana bread one day,put it in the toaster oven as my big oven was broken,got side tracked,went out to get the mail,brought it in,laid it on the table and thought it's nice out,so i went back out and went for a walk.Never gave that bread another thought.Walked down the street,came back up and walked over to my sons house,5 houses down the street from mine.He was washing his motorcycle,so i stood there for awhile and talked to him.Started cooling off,so i came back home.When i opened the door,i smelled the bread,duuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh.Luckily since it was the toaster oven it had a timer and i had remembered to set that,so it was ok as it shut itself off when it was done.Thank God,or i could have burned my house down.

    My sisters and i get a few chuckles from our senior/chemo moments.LOL

    Kathi

  • weesa
    weesa Member Posts: 707
    edited February 2010

    Kimber, I had such bad chemo brain even after I felt better physically. I did absolutely all the things you have reported here. I couldn't hold a thought. One day, still during chemo, I lost my way home over very familiar roads. I knew that they were familiar roads, I just had to pull over and think for a while.

    The worst examples of chemo brain, however, occurred after I had recovered physically. Here are two examples, both a few months after chemo: I went back to work full time, and as I have always done for years, I put my pocketbook over my shoulder last thing and exited the house. Repeatedly, I would say five or six times, I would be rushing around, and couldn't find my pocket book. I would get frantic and have my husband help me look so I wouldn't be too late. Every time he would look at me after searching for a few minutes, and say, 'Weesa, it is already on your shoulder."

    The worst was one day I had been at a meeting outside the office. Driving back to the office I realized my cell phone was nowhere in the car with me. I was convinced I had it on my lap and when I got out of the car to go to the meeting it had fallen out onto the parking lot. I drove back and searched the parking lot and the floor of the car, no cell phone. I couldn't see it anywhere. Then...I realized I had been talking on it the same time I was searching for it.

     Every day for years now I called my voice mail in the morning to leave a fresh message, "You have reached my desk, today is such and such a date, I am probably out of the office, please leave me a message and I will return your call..." etc. etc. I could not say this message, I would stumble across the words, finally after multiple tries I would get something that sounded fairly good, but several people who knew me well knew I didn't normally stutter or flub words. That went away gradually.

    For quite a while Chemo brain was dubious--but now with testing it has been quantifiable. It is not your imagination!. 

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Im constantly freaking out about remembering to turn off the stove.

    One morning I was doing some baking. I was also trying to get my 4 yr old ready for pre school and doing 10 other things at least...lol.

    Whatever I was baking was finished. I took out of the oven and turned the oven OFF. Then I headed out the door to start my erands. I was 20 minutes away from the house....then I froze. Omg...did I turn off the oven?!

    I retracked all my last moves before heading out the door....but I still wasn't sure. I actually turned the car around and went home. My daughter was late...I was flustered and panicking...and the oven was OFF. Undecided

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited February 2010

    HI there:

      I have chemo brain! I am 6 years out and I still am forgetful and cannot concentrate for long periods of time on tasks at work. I am a scientist, so this makes it a bit challenging.

    My oncologist acknowledged that I have chemo brain. It is a real phenomena.

    I can say though, my fogginess and forgetfulness has improved, though not gone.

    Another effect of treatment. After awhile you just have to laugh!

    wallan 

  • janincanada
    janincanada Member Posts: 258
    edited February 2010

    Oh do I relate to these stories.  I have significant chemo brain, enough that i have not returned to work yet.  I was diagnosed 22 months ago.  I can't multitask, remember what I read, or do basic arithmetic in my head plus many of the issues mentioned in your posts.  The problem is that I teach children with behavioural issues and learning difficulties.  You have to be able to multi-task.  You need to know what each child is doing while you work one on one with a child.  Otherwise, chaos will develop very quickly. 

    You do have to keep your sense of humour though.  Thank heavens for GPS and I can enjoy novels more than once since I don't remember them.  It has gotten a bit better since treatment and I hope that it continues to improve. 

  • JanetH77
    JanetH77 Member Posts: 32
    edited February 2010

    My whopper happened when the scheduler brought me an appointment card during chemo for my next treatment.  At the end of that day's treatment, I went to the appointment desk and made an appointment, totally forgetting that I already had an appointment.  I didn't figure out my error until I got a call from the cancer center saying I'd missed an appointment the previous day.

    I still have difficulty remembering words, especially names, but I do think my memory has gotten better since I completed chemo at the end of September.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited February 2010

    4 years since Dx and 3 1/2 years since finishing chemo.....I swear that I still have chemo brain....now some people tell me well your 4 years older (yeah, I know that), but memory is not what it used to be....and when I am fatigued, the brain just does not work....I started taking stimulants a couple years ago and that has helped....but chemo, lack of estrogen and all the other fun has sure taken its toll.....call it what you want, but I just am not who I was before all this s****!!!

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    Kimber - your description of you standing there with your pan made me laugh!! Yep, i am more forgetful too. And I think I have issues with finding words sometimes. And finishing sentences.

    My husband and I play a lot of Scrabble, and I think that has helped in keeping my mind focused on things.

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited February 2010

    my husband-10 years out-still has serious memory issues. We actually got him tested for ADD but they think it was the chemo drugs. So now we are both useless.

  • janincanada
    janincanada Member Posts: 258
    edited February 2010

    Sh**! Chemo brain strikes again.  I forgot to post the main thing I wanted to say in my earlier post.  A lot of you are mentioning a possible link between a change in hormones and the chemobrain.  In my case I'm hormone negative and went into menopause at 34 due to a hysterectomy. I still have major chemobrain. So....in my case it doesn't have any correlation with hormones or lack thereof.

  • maltomlin
    maltomlin Member Posts: 343
    edited February 2010

    I forgot to put the beef in a beef casserole yesterday - again!

    And I'm nearly two years out from chemo.

    Mal x

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited February 2010

    yeah..

    I was reading about Hussein, Osama Hussein and marveled at his beard, wondered why those beautiful eyes housed a soul so twisted and cruel.

    I wondered why cruel and gruel happened to rhyme.

  • janincanada
    janincanada Member Posts: 258
    edited February 2010

    How about this one. I can't eat regular bread as I'm allergic to gluten so I was making bread and my hubby walked in and asked me a question. I responded and went back to making bread.  Too bad I forgot to put in the yeast! I make a lovely doorstop.

  • Leah_S
    Leah_S Member Posts: 8,458
    edited February 2010

    OK, Karen, what stimulants are you taking? I'd like to remember more than 2 things a day.

    Leah

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited February 2010

    Leah,

     I am taking Vyvanse...50mg.....was on Adderal XR before that.  Even with the stimulants, I'm not the same person as I was before Dx.  I realize that I am 4 years older, but I don't believe all the changes are do to age...I still blame a lot on BC and chemo.  Before BC, I hardly took any meds, and now post BC, I think I have 8 or 9 Rx!!!!  Who would ever think that at 53, going on 54, my life would be run by pharmaceuticals!!!!

    Happy Purim....and have a great Shabbat.  BTW...my oldest DD is also Leah!

    Hugs, Karen

  • lamuso
    lamuso Member Posts: 123
    edited February 2010

    I am so greatful I found this topic.  At my last dr. visit I was complaining about my forgetfulness to my onc.  I had heard the term 'chemo brain' and asked my dr. about it.  He basically said he didn't believe in chemo brain.  I am a year and four months out from chemo. I can relate to and have done many of the things you gals mention in your postings above.

  • cherneski
    cherneski Member Posts: 726
    edited February 2010

    OMG I am still a total idiot at times.  Some times I am ok, other times I need a helmet and the short bus. 

  • janincanada
    janincanada Member Posts: 258
    edited March 2010

    Great use of words Cherneski.  The problem is that I need to get to the point where I can teach the kids with the helmets who are on the short bus.  So far I can't do it, cuz they are able to do more than me at times, expecially in the multitasking area.

  • cherneski
    cherneski Member Posts: 726
    edited March 2010

    I literally cant walk and talk on the phone most times.  If I am walking, chances are I am going to do something and if I am on the phone I cant do both cause I will either forget what I am walking to or the conversation on the phone.  Yeah it is pretty bad.  DH has been working with 2 guys for about 2 months now, he talks a little about them each day.  I have NO IDEA what their names are!  NONE!  He tells me their names everyday and I have no idea what so ever. 

  • HairSprayMom
    HairSprayMom Member Posts: 251
    edited March 2010

    Yep Chemo Brain totally blows! I am 2 yrs 5 mo out and I still have issues. My day planner is my best friend. All I can say is WRITE IT DOWN.

    XO,

    Regina

  • janincanada
    janincanada Member Posts: 258
    edited March 2010

    I hear you.  I write it down and then forget to look at my planner.  I write it on the calendar and forget that too.  I program it into my phone's scheduler and then leave the phone at home or forget to charge it.  My best strategy is to tell my hubby.  In the morning we look at the various schedules and he gently reminds me if I forget something.  That helps me get to appts and remember to meet freinds for lunch.  At almost 2 years out it is getting a bit better at least in remembering appts.  Names, books, plots, etc are another thing completely. 

    the scheduler on my phone is the best though as long as I have the phone with me. I set it up to remind me in the am what's going on for the day and then it beeps 1\2 hour before I have to leave, 15min and then when I should go. It seems excessive, but I do tend to forget in the interval between starting to go upstairs to do something and walking upstairs.  I also will set my timer on my stove to beep to remind me it is time to leave for physio or yoga etc.

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited March 2010

    I'm back at work full time and while I feel like I'm doing pretty good, but do find certain situations or procedures that slip my mind and I am forced to look up the information.  Concentration is better, but it still seems a little off at times.  I do try to mentally challenge myself with crosswords and other mind games - working out the muscle between the ears.............

    Even though we have computers, phones and other electronic equipment to give us reminders I find that the good ole' post-it notes help the best.  I use a bright color and stick it to my phone or my keys if I want to remember something as I'm walking out of the door, on the dash of the car or on the phone receiver at work.  I have to say I needed these before chemo - so I can't blame it on chemo brain.  I also leave messages for myself on my voicemail at work - this really helps a lot.

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