Anyone else having a hard time recovering?

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  • just4ann
    just4ann Member Posts: 112
    edited February 2010

    Hey Virginia --

    I don't actually mean cancer itself is a part of my everyday life -- I mean the reminders.  I mean there is not a day that has gone by since my diagnosis that I haven't had to deal with it on some level.  

     As far as the matter with my mother, I have tried numerous time to be firm.  She is just the type of person that has no respect for others feelings or thoughts when it comes to her children. I have 5 siblings and none of them are able to maintain a relationship with her, but that's another story.  Anyway, I have taken care of that situation.  Unfortunately it required me refusing to talk to her until she can honor my wishes.  Which will happen when hell freezes over, but that's her problem.  I have learned to become more assertive when it comes to my needs.  I don't have the patience to worry about how others interpret what I do for my own sanity and the problems with my mother have been longstanding, which is sad all things considered.  So I am doing better with that situation.  I wish it could be different but I have to do what is best for me.  I have enough to deal with without trying to babysit adults who act like children.  

    So I am doing alright.  And I will get through this.  I am just struggling to set my own boundaries but I will find my way. I am certainly no quitter.  A bit defiant maybe but thats a good thing. Thanks for the suggestion though.  You were right on target.

    I guess the answer to the original question posed by susiered, "Anyone else having a hard time recovering?" is this ... Yes, everyone is having a hard time.  And we will continue to have a hard time.  But if we face the hard times together and continue to be a source of unfaltering support for one another, the difficulties we encounter will only serve to make us stronger and more resolute in the outcome we demand.  I know we will get through this and we will get our lives back.  But it's nice to be able to rant and vent along the way.

    I thank all of you for the role you will play in helping me find my way back to me!! 

    -- Ann   

  • rubyredslippers
    rubyredslippers Member Posts: 228
    edited March 2010

    Ive been thru and somedays still experience things just as you say. Every week for me is a little different, in terms of how I feel. I was diagnosed in June 08. Im a lot better now than I was. I spent the whole of last year dealing with anger issues, depression, tiredness, and most of all the fear of cancer either coming back in my breasts or the fear that it's already spread.

    Im in a bad place right now, just generally depressed and fed up with lots of things in general. Perhaps Im generally down right now as our family dog died suddenly around a month ago from a kind of bone cancer that we didnt know he had. That really rocked me emotionally, and of course I am still sad that he died and how he died. I guess what Im saying is that even though I thought that I'd climbed out of the hole when things like that happen, you find that youve slipped half way back in again.

    Im also about to turn 40 this year, which I suppose finds me doing a lot of soul searching. 

    Anyway, I went thru the same thing emotionally and basically got to the end of last year and thought, ok, enough is enough. I'm not going to waste anymore time worrying about cancer. Im moving on, and letting go of the fear. I think youll get to that point emotionally when the time is right for you, but as I said, when crappy things happen, you really notice how fragile you are now. Also, other peoples attitudes still get me down. I still feel angry with women that havent had breast cancer who treat me badly or obviously have no idea what Ive been thru and obviously dont care, and I think, well this could so easily happen to you...I'd be interested to see then how you deal with it. Im not saying I wish BC on anyone - the opposite - I just mean that it is so obvious to me how you will never ever get it unless it happens to you. Trust me, I know what youre going thru and Im sure every other woman on this board does too.

    I have often posted my feelings and problems here, as I know that the women who come to my aid truely do get it and no one I know in real life does.

  • susiered
    susiered Member Posts: 256
    edited March 2010

    Rubyredslippers, thank you for sharing your story. I am so sorry about your dog. I know how hard it is to lose one. The week of my 1st chemo we had to put my sweet dog of 16 years to sleep. It was so hard because my 1st chemo hit me hard and I was so sick, I did not even get to tell him good-bye. Thats been almost 2 years ago and I still miss him.

    I know some women can be so insensitive about what you are going through. I try to tell myself they don't mean it the way it comes out, but sometimes I wonder. When I was first diagnosed a lady from my sons school came up and said she had heard the news and was so sorry. She then went on to ask me "Aren't you scared about leaving your son without a Mom? You know that is a real possibility you need to think about" I was floored! Of course I am scared of leaving my son and yes I do know it's a possibility!! That was hard.....I quickly told her I had to go and barely made it to the restroom before I busted into tears. It was horrible.You just have to wonder what they are thinking!

    Anyway, I am glad you are trying to move on. I know it's hard. I don't know if we will ever stop being somewhat afraid, but I sure hope to get to a better point than I am at now!

    Susan

  • rubyredslippers
    rubyredslippers Member Posts: 228
    edited March 2010

    Ive experienced the insensitivity too, as we all have. My cousin (female) saw me in the supermarket whilst I was having Chemo, we are not close, so had not talked till then about my BC. She kept saying "there are no guarantees"...after she'd managed to weave that into the conversation twice, I said to her "I really dont need to hear that", she still didnt get it.

     UNFORTUNATLEY,  no one gets it untill / unless it happens to them...even though that's obviously the case, I will never understand how people can say these things, and seemingly not realise the effect they have

  • lava
    lava Member Posts: 50
    edited March 2010

    I don't think we will ever "get back" to normal.  There has to be a new normal.  We are different women now.  I think we just have to try to move forward as best we can.  I know that stinks.  We had BC and that will never go away--even if we live to be 100 years old.  That history is now a permanent part of us. 

    As for the insensitive comments, I try to remind myself that nearly all people are trying their best to be kind.  I choose to believe that.  I have had BC, and I am certain there have been times I hurt other people's feelings when I was doing my best to help them.  So, when my feelings are hurt, I try to remind myself that we are all fumbling through life as best we can. 

  • susiered
    susiered Member Posts: 256
    edited March 2010

    I agree Lava. I do believe people mean well. You are also right about how each of us have probably said things to people dealing with cancer and other disease that they found insensitive. It is just that if you haven't been there you have no idea. I hope those people NEVER have to find out firsthand how it feels. I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

    On a happier note...I forced myself to get out in the beautiful sunshine and walk for about 20 min. today. I know it is not much, but it is a start. I am going to try very hard to do some walking everyday, even if it is only 5 min. I have to say it felt good. I have to start getting past this. I want to stop the tamoxifen so badly. I think it is a big part of my problems. Of course I am scared to stop it, so I am sure I won't. Everyday I have to make myself swallow that pill. I know if I stopped a lot of my pain and emotional issues would go away. It is so hard everyday to know what is the right thing to do. I am so glad I have here to go and at least say what I am really feeling. Even if noone reads it, it makes me feel better. For those of you that are reading it and responding ...thank you so much. I really need someone to listen.

    Susan

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited March 2010

    During my rounds of tamox, my onc and I discussed a "holiday" from the med.  It is thought in some medical circles that a holiday can also Enhance--the effectiveness of some meds.  I have no idea which ones and neither do they.  Also, a holiday can provide the body time to recover and when restarte in about 4-6 wks, the side effects are lessened, sometimes greatly.

    I took the holiday: my cholesterol bottomed out(well almost) and my cholesterol meds were discontinued. My blood sugar lowered.  I stopped taking anti inflammatories for my joints, I slept without ambien and stuff, my hot flashes stopped (i had really tried every med on the list for them--neurontin was good as was bellagal)  Now, I am making no medical recommendations for Anyone except myself.

    I chose to stop it after 2.5 years.  My onc agreed. MHO  for ME.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited March 2010

    Susan ~ That's great that you started walking!  You should come join us on the Motivation thread!   You already know several of us from the Jan 09 rads group.   Deanna

  • lava
    lava Member Posts: 50
    edited March 2010

    Susan, good for you for starting to walk!!  ANY exercise is a huge benefit, I think.  Please don't be reluctant to write.  I think many people read even though they are "too sick and tired" to write back.  You never know how many people you are helping.

    For the record, I stopped Arimidex and Tamoxifen-- both due to side effects.  For me, driving my car is scarier than this choice. 

  • vision4utoo
    vision4utoo Member Posts: 138
    edited March 2010

    I am sooo happy to have found this thread - I was dx June 08, Mast July 08, Chemo Aug - October, began Recon Jan 09 and it didn't end until Jan 2010 (still have to do tattoing of nip)  I too was a rock all the way through, by time I reached the implant exchange - I began to get tired - tired of all of it - docs, cancer, medical issues, etc.

    In March of 09 I cracked my own ribs - no one ordered a Dexa scan - I am 45, why would I have Osteoporosis??? I had been navigating through  moderate to severe pain the past 1 1/2 years, thinking I would feel better once all the recon surgeries were finished - has not happened.

    Not only do I have Chem induced Osteoporosis (-2.8), I have just been ordered to see a Neurosurgeon and Rheumatologist as my spine has begun to compress nerve roots and I also now have degenerative disk disease and severe arthritis in my feet, spine, hips, knees and hands.  I am not absorbing Potassium or Vitamin D (4600 IUs). I was pre- meno, now Chemo induced menopause:  Still have hot flashes, I did find an herbal formula that noticably helped:  Estrotone (hormone/estrogen free/soy free)

    I am actually not afraid of Cancer coming back - I am more afraid of continuing to be physically incapacitated, dealing with all the after effects of my treatments.  June will be 2 years from DX.

     I think of my darling girls and say they would rather have me here, in a chair, than not - so I get through the days.  Most of them smiling, even when I can barely walk...

    I am grateful and happy to be alive - despite the complications - I just wish someone would have mentioned the possibility...

  • lava
    lava Member Posts: 50
    edited March 2010

    I completely understand how you feel.  I was diagnosed in October 2007 and I am still waiting to feel better.  Lots of treatments, medicines, time, etc. 

    If you're not absorbing Vit D, you may want to have MD check for Celiac disease--widely underdiagnosed in the US.

    I think if they told us all the things that COULD happen, few of us would have the courage to proceed--or maybe it's just me...

  • susiered
    susiered Member Posts: 256
    edited March 2010

    vision4utoo thanks for sharing your story with us. I am so sorry you are having so much pain. I am with you on that. I am still in the recon process. Should have my last fill in 2 weeks and then exchange. I aalso have fibromyalgia which with the Tamoxifen is excruciating. Pain is a hard thing to deal with everyday. Sounds like you have more than your share. It also sounds like you have a great attitude about it all.You are right about your babies would rather have you in a chair than not have you. I tell myself the same thing when my son wants me to do something that I just can't do anymore. I am so thankful to still be here with him, even if I have to tell him no. He is what gets me up everyday and keeps me pushing forward. Please come here if you ever need to vent or just know someone cares and is in the same boat as you. I thank you all for being here!

    Susan

  • kajan75
    kajan75 Member Posts: 21
    edited April 2010

    OMG, I found other people who were infected during initial surgery.  Nice eh? The medical profession dismisses the seriousness of MRSA/VRSA with "it's everywhere."  Yea, because they brought it to the community. I had an additional five surgeries due to the infection, expander in, expander out, lat flap, etc. and everything else that could go wrong did. I'm still angry with my first oncologist - how dare they send any woman home after the second chemo treatment and not warn them that you are going to slam into menopause, like the mere suggestion would throw us all into a hot flash.  I did my research, but I never expected to be flashing every five seconds and trapped in my car in my parking garage.  When I called the doctor I was told, "We have a pill for that." Really? You couldn't have given me a Rx before I left Thursday? They blindsided me every step of the way and they blindsided my co-workers too. Yes, I've been to counseling and was told to move on and get over it.  HOW?  I have chemo brain, no immune system, constant pain and insomnia.  No one ever warned me about that.  MRSA/VRSA was worse than cancer. I tried Ritalin for chemo brain and it just depressed me. Wonderful, so I am crazy too. I then went to Adderall, which allows me the ability to concentrate, but my office would love to get me out of their system, I cost too much. I have been written up for smiling and nodding, because if I spoke, I would have told off our administrator.  I lost my permanent position and now float, which is ten times more difficult. The three women who have been diagnosed in two years at my office have all decided what we have in common is stress. One attorney was so condescending I responded that I wasn't an idiot, I have chemo brain. My support has been my husband, who was fantastic for two years, but it gets old - he's only human and has far more patience than I ever will. My sister told me to write a book - a novel idea, doesn't everyone? She's just tired of being the sounding board. I can't blame her, I'd be tired of it too. Will I ever feel good again? I was addicted to OxyContin because the pain was excruciating, but do you think they could have told me that when they tunneled the lat flap under my right arm that there was a possibility of nerve damage? I don't even think the surgeon even knew that he injured and/or severed some nerves. No, of course not. I had to search the web and found I have T1-2 nerve damage. The pain moves around or you feel as if your lungs are filling with fluid and pushing on your rib cage. I wasn't mentally addicted to Oxy, but physically and went through hell weaning myself off. I did accupuncture which did offer some relief, but was costly. I am lucky to sleep four hours a night and some nights I don't sleep at all. I owe my oncology surgeon for my addiction to Xanax and take it nightly to sleep those four hours. My co-worker who was diagnosed shortly after me now has bladder cancer and has gone alternative. She will never trust the medical establishment again. She's my ginny, because I don't either. Geez, they just acknowledged in the last two years that chemo brain actually exists! Now I read that 80 percent of us are affected and only half of us regain our cognitive skills. Did you get that information? I didn't. I am so disappointed that our government can't fix our health insurance problems, because getting reelected is more important than caring about 90 percent of the US population. I want to slap people when I hear them say their insurance is great - I bet, try to use it. It's gone up 37% in just the last six months. I am tired of my new onc pushing estrogen inhibitors when I finally got the truth out of my old one that it will only lessen my chances of recurrence by NINE percentage points. Let's see, I should go through hell, lose my bone density and suffer from joint pain, loss of hair and severe hot flashes so they can have nice dinners and vacations on the Drug Company? I am exhausted, concerned that I will lose my job and insurance, worried that it will come back (a very life-long friend will soon succomb at 55 - her fourth time) and wonder if I will ever just feel good. I'm envious of women who can actually function and cancer isn't on their radar screens, I guess they've never experienced a staph infection so severe that your skin dies - turns a lovely shade of black. I couldn't even look at it, my husband did all that, along with bathing me and forcing me to eat. Why if I hadn't had the infection, may be I too would have come through chemo with energy to walk and the ability to sleep. Good luck finding any information on the high powered antibiotics they gave you, I even tired the CDC to no avail. All I have been able to find out is they cause insomnia. I had to take a Rx for nausea that if I hadn't been able to get the generic would have cost $464 with my insurance, the generic was a mere $90 and that was for only ten pills. This drug wasn't for chemo, it was for the Cubicin that I finally got intravenously for ten days after numerous hospitalizations and three courses of Zyvox didn't touch the infection.  Ann, I hear you and I can empathize. I'm looking for a new therapist and will let you know how my alternative friend is doing. If you find an answer, please share it. I've met few people who have been through our hell, but when MRSA/VRSA makes it way to the northern states and may be the halls of Congress, I'm sure there will be more.  Over 23,000 people die every year due to hospital staph infections. Should I be thrilled I wasn't one of them? I am suppose to be grateful that I am alive and I rarely am. The new normal sucks. Where's the pill for this?

  • jteach
    jteach Member Posts: 199
    edited April 2010

    Susan(and everyone else)-

     I was going to tell you of my experiences with bc, but now feel like I'm going to cry so just let me say that I am just at the point now where I feel like I'm dipping my toes into the waters of "normal" again.  And for that I am extremely grateful.  Ifeel/felt exactly kike you for a long time and to this day I have no one in my life that really understands.  And how could they?  I too have a very loving husband who tries not to show his fear.  I have 2 daughters-they are 20 and 16 and I can tell you that in their eyes I see two very young frightened children.  I understand.

    Let me tell you that many of my days are good now.  Really!  It will happen.  I'll keep you in my prayers.   (((((HUGS)))))

    Janice

  • susiered
    susiered Member Posts: 256
    edited April 2010

    Kajan bless your heart. Sounds like you have been through the ringer. I couldn't help but laugh when you said "the new normal sux...where is the pill for this?' I have felt that way so many times. My physical therapist keeps telling me my mind will adjust to the pain and discomfort I feel in my chest and it will become the "new normal". Yea right...I am still waiting on my brain on that one. Hang in there!

    Janice it is so nice to hear you are starting to feel a little better.It gives me hope. I have tried my own little experiment lately. I know I should not have done this, but I stopped taking my tamoxifen about 2 weeks ago. I feel almost back to being me again. It is amazing. I don't know if it is coincidence or not. I will find out soon because I started back last night. I will keep you posted.

    Janice I will keep you in my prayers also. I know some do not believe in prayer and God, but I for one am a Christian and he is what has carried me through my hard times. Bless you all. We will get there!

    Susan

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