5-year survival rate

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Billynda
Billynda Member Posts: 121

I'm just a little confused with this.  It means that if you live 5 years with NED, then it most likely won't ever return? 

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  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited February 2010

    chances are better

  • jteach
    jteach Member Posts: 199
    edited February 2010

    I wish I knew what all of the abreviations meant!  What does NED mean?

  • diana50
    diana50 Member Posts: 2,134
    edited February 2010

    NED  merans: no evidence of disease

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    5 yr survival rates combine everyone who is alive after 5 yrs.

    That means: recurrence free, local recurrence or metastatsis. ALL still alive, combined together.

    Thats why 5yr stats cant be too reliable....and why I dont pay much attention to them.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2010

    This whole survival rate confuses me. I have heard that if it's going to come back it will be within the 5 years?  My daughter's mother recurred within 2 years after her first BC.  I have been really wondering about this because the last week or so, I have had so much pain in my hip and worried if this is going to my bone or does the Arimidex cause so much hip pain. I keep thinking that because I'm stage 3 and had node involvement that now it's going into my hip.  This totally really does suck.

  • Fidelia
    Fidelia Member Posts: 397
    edited February 2010

    I think 5 year survival rate is becoming a bit out of date - it was one of those convenient ways to view a statistically significant group - anyone who had survived any cancer for 5 years. I think we ALL know now that all cancers are very individual and all individuals will respond differently to the many treatments for the many different cancer types - bottom line - ANY survival period is GOOD - does it really say much about the overall survival - probably not...for BC - the significant thing is response to treatment and the fact that there are so many treatments....

    Shanagirl- Arimidex does cause a lot of bone pain - also it affects joints and tendons - so anyone on an AI is more than likely to feel more aches and pains than before they were on an AI.IF your hp continues to give you trouble - especially in the pain increases - I would report this to the onc - especially if you are not taking a bisphosphonate to help counteract the effects of the AI - Bonefos is a useful oral bisphos and can help reduce bone pain - gentle exercise helps with the muscles and tendons. 

    Good luck with this.

    Fidelia

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    Shana - don't forget a lot of achiness is due to the effect of Chemo and AI's. I get pains in my hands and feet, and if I am bending over too much, in my lower back. MY onc said the sort of pain i should worry about is the type that wakes you up for example, or that doesn't go away with rest or heat. But yes, the worry does suck.

    As for survival rates, I think the longer out you get, the better your chances are it won't come back. but I have still heard of people getting a recurrence up to 20 years after initial diagnosis. So, I think the worry will never totally go away. 

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Shana,

    AI's are known for bone and joint aches...more so than I think Tamox. I was walking up some stairs today...and I was aching!!!!

    Im doing OS + Femara and I know all my aches are from the lack of estrogen. It is what it is...you can try to take Glucosamine. It helps with joint aches ect.

    It also depends on a woman BC diagnosis. ER+? ER-? Her2+/-? With recurrence time frames. ER- and Her2+ woman are more likely to recur in the first 2-3 yrs. With ER+ BC, Ive read a couple of times that 50% of BC's that recur AFTER the 5yr mark are ER+.

     Great....is it because most woman stop their anti hormone meds after 5 yrs? We do not know.

    <sigh>...just another reason for me to get cracking on my ooph!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2010

    I guess it's all a crap shoot anyway.

  • diana50
    diana50 Member Posts: 2,134
    edited February 2010
    just remember; that even with any statistic...it is never 100%.  you may NEVER re-occur. Cool
  • Billynda
    Billynda Member Posts: 121
    edited February 2010

    I've just been dwelllng on all this too much.  It's consuming me!  There's just no definites:/  Well good thing the world is ending in 2012 anyway :P

  • maryannecb
    maryannecb Member Posts: 1,453
    edited February 2010

    When in doubt, read the 5 year survivor thread...have hope that some day it will be your post we are reading! :)))   Many women survive this stage, why not you?(that's one of my mantras...and I will chant it until such day that I can't).

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited February 2010

    First remember the current stats are wrong. They hope to have things updated this year but the current stats don't seperate her pos and her neg and triple neg. Though triple negs stats are different they are grouped in. The current stats don't include those on Zometa.  Also, for ex stage 3-75% are allive after 5 years.The other 25% may have passed but they could have passed from old age, car accident etc. Also, it includes those who refused treatment, couldn't have treatment, etc.

    When I get nervous I tell myself I am doing everything I can, I am e xercising, eating on point, taking aspirin, and vit D. I am lucky to have gotton this during a time of such miracles in medicine. That the next 5 years will bring about new treatments-so go five years and there will be another set of new meds. In the last five years they discovered Zometa, Vit D, exercise study, etc. Now we have the aspirn study. There will be amazing  new meds over the next 5 years to further support the medical communities ability to treat this disease as a cronic condition.

    We have time-time leads to new medications and discoveries and no other Cancer gets as much funding and research as BC. 

    I plan on doing everything I can to keep my body in the best shape I can so I can with stand any treatment they throw my way. I plan on taking part in my treatment plan.

  • kimber3006
    kimber3006 Member Posts: 586
    edited February 2010

    Pure - You aren't taking the aspirin yet, are you?  As it's a blood thinner, it's a no-no until we're done with chemo, right?

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited February 2010

    I have heard no to aspirin during chemo also...I just started taking it again after I was done..I did take it once during chemo but it made me feel weird so I stopped it until a few weeks after chemo..I didn't take anything during chemo...except for the claritin and aleve to help with the bone PAIN

    LOL..about the world ending in 2012....I just thought to myself..well if it does happen I won't have to worry about paying back my kid's college loans..funny stuff!

    About one year ago..talking to my onc he said that within 5 years treatments will be different than they are now...we may not like all this "Pink" stuff but thank God BC does get all this attention....

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Yes!

    You know, when we get dignosed and go through chemo ect...we want to do everything we can to rid ourselves of BC. But....mixing certain vitamins and minerals and adding "other stuff" should wait till chemo is finished. Perferably...even rads.

    Trust the chemo is doing its job, and just leave it. you can always start Aspirin when your finished. I waited 4 weeks before starting any supplement.

    Adding "extras" could actually work against you and not for you.

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    The world is ending in 2012?!  Surprised

    How come Im just hearing this.....

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    I thought it ended in 2000....

  • AnacortesGirl
    AnacortesGirl Member Posts: 1,758
    edited February 2010

    I sure didn't get the memo...

  • Billynda
    Billynda Member Posts: 121
    edited February 2010

    OK, OK, I am starting to feel better.  I am a fervent reader of the 5 years and out!  I am just really trying to work through all these emotions that I was too scared to let myself feel while being pregnant.  I'm getting there, though!  You all are such a breath of fresh air to me!

    As for the world ending in 2012, google it! 

    I don't really believe it:)  My bestie sure does though, lol, so I have to hear about it all the time. 

  • Diana63
    Diana63 Member Posts: 773
    edited February 2010

    You know its funny my dh said this during my treatment. I said did you hear what the doctor said? He said yeah but it don't matter we will all be dead in 2012, you will live at least that long, then its lights out for everyone. I don't know why but it made me laugh at the time but then he turned sweet and said if I lost you then my world will end.

  • Billynda
    Billynda Member Posts: 121
    edited February 2010

    Well hooray for sweet DHs :):):)  (I have figured out that dh is husband, but what is the d in front of the h for???)

  • Bugs
    Bugs Member Posts: 1,719
    edited February 2010

    Probably depends on the day.  Damn or Darling LOL

  • wallan
    wallan Member Posts: 1,275
    edited February 2010

    I will be 6 years out from my stage 3 dx in March. I am still NED. I had a 7 cm tumor, 2/18 nodes positive and encapsulated,  ER/PR+, grade 3. I had a mastectomy, axillary dissection, AC/T, 30 rads, 2 years tamoxifen, hysterectomy, oophorectomy and then  aromasin which ends next Dec.

    I was told I had a 60% chance of survival 10 years out. At first, during treatment, I was terrified. However, at my last 6-month follow-up in Dec. my oncologist told me that breast cancer can be on the back burner in my life now. I was advised to plan on what I wanna do for the rest of my life!  I don't go back to the oncologist for another year!

    There is hope!!

    Wallan 

  • Billynda
    Billynda Member Posts: 121
    edited February 2010

    Just when I was giving up on having a concrete answer...  Thank you, Wallan!  I know there aren't any definites in life, but it is also nice when you have a question and someone has an answer:)  Of course, the 6 years NED is more reassuring!  I also just read your post on the 5 year out board.  I always look at that first whenever I come on BCO!!!

  • weety
    weety Member Posts: 1,163
    edited March 2010

    From what my onc has told me, most recurrences occur during the 1st 2 years after diagnosis, especially in the more aggressive cancers. Then there is another drop-off rate in the statistics between 5 and 6 years.  She told me the big milestones for breast cancer are 2 yrs and then 6 yrs, but of course a recurrence can happen any time, we are never off the hook.  Ugh!

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited March 2010

    we've survived a thousand doomdays.. they've come, they've gone.

    why not 5 years? (i keep telling myself as i sit on pins and needles anticipating a scan).

  • SusieMTN
    SusieMTN Member Posts: 795
    edited March 2010

    Just wanted to pass one of the Onc said that I will more than likely be on AI's for 7 years instead of 5.  Fine with me as anything that helps with decreasing my risk of recurrence is fine with me! 

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