An Aspirin a day....

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  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    You know, my Onc did tell me I could take Tylenol every day if needed for AI pain (which i don't need) so she is happy with me taking a daily pain killer.

    I might just start taking one a day too, until I hear otherwsie....

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited February 2010

    It sor tof hit me yesterday that we are so blessed int he sense that there is so much research coming out on BC and so many reatments on the horizon. The fact that monthly new research comes out is really amazing and we are blessed to receive those benifits. Between zometa, the aspirin, and exercise we can fight further and have that much more hope.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited February 2010

    Tylenol and aspirin are way different Kerry, you know that, right?

  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited February 2010

    In fact NSAIDs (Ibupropen, etc) did show similar possibilities but not tylenol.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    Well, I just took one. Take that cancer....

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited February 2010
  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited February 2010

    I didnt have any so I took 3 ibuprophen.

  • NancyD
    NancyD Member Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2010

    Remember the study showed that taking it EVERYDAY was actually less effective. I think the dosage that seemed to have the best preventative effect was 3 - 5 times a week. So I'm just going to take it every OTHER day.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    It is so hard to wade through all the numbers - so every second day is more effective??

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited February 2010

    Mary....  Agree with you on risk of recurrence.  I can't take any NSAIDs during Week 2 of Taxol but have been taking ibuprofen during Week 1.  Anyway, aspirin is cheap and I normally take quite a lot anyway because I normally have something hurting from a sports injury or muscle strain.

    So as soon as chemo is over, I am opening up my quite large aspirin bottle.  This will be in a couple of months.

    But this is really welcome news.  Finally got to look at the article in detail and the observational data appears to confirm a hypothesis that aspirin can indeed reduce mortality in breast cancer patients.  (Bullets added for clarity.)

    "In vitro studies have shown that breast cancers produce prostaglandins in greater amounts than normal breast cells and that aspirin can

    • inhibit growth
    • decrease the invasiveness of breast cancer cells
    • reduce cytokines involved in bony metastasis
    • stimulate immune responsiveness."

     

    The othet thing that is cool is that this protective benefit can go on for the rest of our lives, long after most of us are doing any other treatment.

    I am beyond psyched to learn this. - Claire

  • Texas357
    Texas357 Member Posts: 1,552
    edited February 2010

    Femara gives me a few sleepless nights. Since the study actually said ibuprofen may be as beneficial, I think I'm going to start using Advil PM on those nights I can't sleep.

    Here's what was said about frequency:  

    Women who took aspirin two to five days a week had a 60 percent reduced risk of their cancer spreading and a 71 percent lower risk of breast cancer death. Six to seven aspirins a week lowered the risk of spread by 43 percent and the risk of breast cancer death by 64 percent.

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    It seems like taking Aspirin every other day is the thing to do as BC prevention. The whole heart disease thing though...up it more.

    I say every other day is a good start..untill someone says otherwise or more research has come out.

    I'll pick some up today and will ask my onc on Friday and update afterwards

  • kimt
    kimt Member Posts: 40
    edited February 2010

    Everyminute - why does a hysterectomy increase chance of heart disease? No one told me that!  (I had hysto-bso due to BRCA2 status and I wouldn't have changed that decision, but no one mentioned increased risk of heart disease from that - from the chemo, yes, but not from the surgery.)

    I knew you ladies would be posting on this topic today.  I am going to ask my onc, but can't see any reason NOT to add an aspirin every other day.

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    kimt,

    Its the removal of the ovaries while being pre menopausal increases the risk. The lack of estrogen. Doesnt mean it will happen though. You can easily prevent heart disease. It IS preventable through diet, exercise and apparantly...Aspirin. Smile

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Ok...question.

    Is it Baby Aspirin to take or just plain ol Aspirin?

    The 2-5x a week thing I see...cant seem to figure out what Aspirin.

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited February 2010

    yeah-my oncologist wont do a hysterectomy and told me that even had my ovarys removed I was slight risk of increase and shots would be better.  I don't care still doing the oomph.

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Thank you!!!

    This is important....

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited February 2010

    The study lacks any collection of data regarding dosage.  So that leaves us all speculating as to the most beneficial dosage.  Here's something from the study that may aid in our speculation.  The group receiving the most benefit was the group that reported taking aspirin 2-5 days per week, followed closely by the group reporting taking aspirin 6 to 7 days per week.  35% of the reasons for use reported were heart disease prevention.  Yes, that is the largest group, but at the same time, that leaves 65% who reported the reason for use as muscle or joint pain (16%), headache (13%), backache (7%), menstrual cramps (<1%) and other reasons (9%).

    Speculating here.  What dosage would the 35% taking it for heart disease prevention be most likely to take?  I'd guess low dosage, the suggested 81mg or 1/4 regular aspirin.  What interval would these women taking it for prevention of heart disease be most likely to take it at?  Probably daily.  But if anyone knows that the recommendation is for EOD, then speak up.

    What dosage would the other 65% taking it for other reasons, mostly analgesic, be most likely to take it at?  I'd guess at the standard dose of 325mg.  Not many people take baby aspirin for a headache or backache, or cut the pills in quarters.  What interval would the analgesis user be most likely to take it at?  That one is quite the wild speculation.  Maybe daily for some, maybe EOD or the 2-5 per week??

    So my wild speculation is that if you want to try to duplicate the group that got the second most beneficial dosage, the 6-7 times per week, you similate the dosage the 35% who were taking it for heart disease prevention likely took, and that's around 1/4 of an aspirin daily.

    As for what dosage the group that got the most benefit, the 2-5 x per week users took, that's even more wreckless guesswork.  But many of them must have been the analgesic users (325 mg). 

     Anyone else care to play psychic?

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Pure,

    Not to hijack this thread...but Ive been doing the Lupron shots for 19 months now. No problems, I do have some se's but they dont affect my quality of life. Im actually going to see a gynecologist on Friday to discuss an ooph. My onc says Im too young (32)...I do agree but I tested as a poor Tamox metabolizer :(...BUT....there is now news saying that the cyp2d6 is NOT reliable! So, Im at a loss. I have read that some early results of the SOFT trial should be coming out in 2010. Im going to wait a little longer to see if an ooph really makes a difference in overall survival regarding pre menopausal woman.

  • kim40
    kim40 Member Posts: 904
    edited February 2010

    Ok - So let me get this straight.

    I'm taking Femara right now with Zoladex injections, Zometa, Herceptin and excercising my tail off.

    If I take a baby aspirin 2 to 5 times per week it will also lower my risk??  Am I reading this right????  Hard to believe.

    Also, how often do you girls get the Cure magazine?  I signed up for it a couple of months back and haven't received any yet??Frown

  • cakeisgreat
    cakeisgreat Member Posts: 660
    edited February 2010

    To chime in, my onc told me to take a low dose aspirin every other day to avoid Tamoxifen blood clots.  Verrrrryyyyy interesting!  I guess I'm covered either way!

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    kim40..

    Yes. Thats what it is looking like!

    But wait.....like Timothy mentioned in his above post, WHY would woman be taking baby Aspirin for headaches ect? And I agree, with the 1/4 pill thing. I would think, that most woman would just take a whole Aspirin as to cutting it up in quarters. This is just to show, that we really dont know...what type of Aspirin (baby or regular) and what dosage. Undecided

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited February 2010

    lexi I pm'd you.

  • Gayleebug
    Gayleebug Member Posts: 166
    edited February 2010

    Timothy, I've read in many articles (none I can cite right this minute) that the proper aspirin dosage for heart attack/stroke prevention is 81 MG A DAY, which is what I'm taking.  You can get this in the drugstore (in the US) in a coated version to reduce stomach irritation ... even generic -- I use Rite Aid brand.

    If my taking one mini-aspirin a day helps prevent BC recurrence too, even better!!

    P.S.  Kim -- getting the CURE magazine in hardcopy is hit or miss with me, sometimes it arrived and sometimes it didn't.  I signed up for the e-mail version and get that.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited February 2010

    If one is already taking omega 3 and turmeric and now are starting aspirin, be aware that each of these is a blood thinner and can cause bleeding.  Be sure to talk to your PCP as well as your oncologist about the combination as well as any cancer drugs you are taking.

    My onc OKd turmeric, but my PCP checked it against a drug interaction data base that she has on her computer.  I got a double OK. 

    I am have been taking aspirin daily for years along with omega3 and turmeric.  I have had no problems with bleeding.

  • JacquelineG
    JacquelineG Member Posts: 282
    edited February 2010

    I'm gonna start taking a baby aspirin every other day and also check w/ my oncologist! Will let you know what she says. I know studies are still preliminary but I hope they're on to something here!

    Jackie

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited February 2010

    My father was on blood thinners when he was alive.  I believe the Doctor performed some sort of test regularly to see if the dosage was correct and to make adjustments.  Could a similar test be performed on women taking aspirin to make sure they have sufficient clotting ability?  Might help gain some confidence that you are not over doing it.  Maybe MD's have some experience in this regard gained from their heart disease patients?  In any event, this is the most exciting news I've heard in a long time.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2010

    Hi Guys...happened to see this link and thought I would pass it on.  Not saying that low dose aspirin won't work....

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/health/2010/02/17/gupta.aspirin.breast.cancer.cnn
     

  • Mamita49
    Mamita49 Member Posts: 538
    edited February 2010

    Can you just imagine..........

    Ok, I am nuts, I am crazy----i know that, BUT sometimes I think, cancer is all about MONEY, freaking money, billions a year. I know that taking Aspirin is not the cure answer, but one day, in the far future, the docs are going to come-up with a cure pill that will cost only the same price as a bottle of Aspirin.

    Anyhow, I am taking a low dose from today on, will ask my BS next week, but dont really expect to hear,

    Yaaa, take the pill, and you will be all ok.....Still.... 

  • Mamita49
    Mamita49 Member Posts: 538
    edited February 2010

    By the way,

    THANKS KERRY, Smile 

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