Vegetable juice

kmf, I make one large batch and use it over three days.  I do about a half of a cup of the fresh juice and a half of a cup of 100% pomegranate juice but you could use any other juice.

I'm new to BC.  Do you mind my asking if you are drinking this juice for a potential benefit to fight the BC or is it strictly for health and/or weight purposes? 

I have been green juicing for several years(for two years prior to BC diagnosis).

 I used to make a huge batch and freeze it and then thaw as needed for the week....until I went to a seminar at Hippocrates. They said that the benefits of juicing are dimished with time - ideally you would drink it immediately - but  that the maxiumum you should keep your juice is 24 hours. They also said that I would lose a lot of the benefits by freezing.

It is such a habit for me to make in large batches- I am trying to get myself organized so that I can just make it a glass at a time.

Beth

beth, thanks for the info - i will try it but not sure if I could do it daily.  what is good about batching vs buying something off the shelf is that its not pasteurized so the antioxidants arent reduced moreso. 

hi frapp - sorry to hear about your recent diagnosis.

my personal resonings are: pomegranate is a great fruit for fighting breast cancer: phytochemicals called ellagitannins found in abundance in pomegranates inhibited the growth of estrogen-responsive breast cancer in laboratory tests.

http://www.newslocale.org/health/hnews/drinking_pomegranate_juice_may_help_prevent_breast_cancer_2010010611042.html

kale, broccoli, brussel sprouts and cabbage (and other leafy greens) contain indoles which provide protective phytonutrients to fight bc.  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9589355  http://www.cbcrp.org/RESEARCH/PageGrant.asp?grant_id=2616

i put ginger, beets, parsley (root and leaf) , celery, kale, brussels sprouts - and until recently since I found out im slightly allergic, carrots.  turmeric and black pepper I should add but I haven't done it yet but i get it in a supplement.  I ran out but I like to add dandelioin leaf to my concoction.  - and as a bonus all the leftover fiber and nutrients can go into composting.  There is a thread on juicers.

I have more energy than Ive had in a while and juicing has helped me rid my body of the toxins its been put thru from all the chemotherapy I did earlier and its a great way to start the day.  Note it took me three days for my body to get used to it and I always use organic veggies and fruits. 

In terms of fruit, I like to eat the whole fruit for the fiber but you could always throw an entire apple (seed included) into the juicer until you get used to the taste..  With eating the seeds, I always eat the entire fruit. In the book, world without cancer by g. edward griffen its recommended to eat the fruit flesh together with the seeds as a balance because they work synergistically vs just the seeds alone. Apricots are good for this but so are apples. 

so the above is what I do - some ppl get a little bent out of shape regarding nutrition, when to eat it, what to eat - what not to eat.  there are lots of books and articles on the subject of nutrition and cancer (i have anticancer on order - cant wait to get it) so the best bet is to read lots and make your decisions on what you think is right for you.  

Wow, thanks for the info!!!!   I usually like vegies and such but have found that since being on arimidex my tasts are changing.  I use to crave protien but now have a vorasous sweet tooth that seems to be getting out of control.  I'm not sure how to rein in back in. 

In the summer I have frozen fuit smoothies with protien powder for breakfast.  I think I could get use to the vegies if I can add some spice or something to them.

PS73-

They say to get 6 ounces of sprout juice - it takes 1/2 tray of sunflower sprouts and 1/2 tray of pea green sprouts. My guess is that it depends on your type of juicer, too.  One cucumber and 2 stalks of celery will give you about 6 oz of juice.

Here are some of the tips they gave us:

- Ideally green drinks should include 50% juice from sprouts, baby greens, or edible weeds such as dandelion, perslane, sorrel and arugula; and 50% from green vegetables such as collard, kale, cucumber, spinach, celery, dark green lettuce and cabbages.

- If ill, avoid the juices of carrots, beets and other sweet vegetables; the average pancreas can no longer tolerate sugar(fructose) when juiced with these veggies; also keep all green drinks separate, do not mix colors, such as adding carrot juice to cucumber juice.

- you can add herbs such as parsley, cilantro, basil, dill, anise or mint and also ginger and garlic.

- juice the vegetables first, then the sunflower greens, and lastly the lettuce.

- consumer the juice within 15 minutes. These drinks may be refrigerated for up to 24 hours when they are sealed, yet the value of the oxygen, enzymes, phytochemicals, hormones and nutrients thatthey contain will diminish dramatically.

- green drinks should be a major part of your diet, esp if ill

- they suggest two - 12oz glasses a day

- drink the juice on an empty stomach and do not eat immediately afterwards

- suggested schedule- breakfast jucie, mid-morning snack, afternoon snack

Happy Juicing!

Beth

Beth, thanks for the info.  Where do you store all of your sprouts?  Humph so basically I should remove the beets from my am juicing.  Maybe Ill do the reds in the evening with the pom instead of the am. 

PS73-

I don't use as many sprouts as they suggest. I just buy a tray of grown sprouts at the organic market. I am in Florida - so I usually just leave them out on the screened lanai, weather permitting. Otherwise I will  cut them and store them in bags in the fridge. They keep well for 7-10 days.

 I took a sprouting class at Hippocrates - and they show you how to grow whetagrass and other sprouts and they have a stand that can hold multiple trays of sprouts. My family drew the line at having them in the house.

 Interesting thing - my Golden puppy goes absolutely nuts over sunflower sprouts - it is like his "catnip".

Beth

some er positive folks prefer not to take tamoxifen due to the side effects. 

- but to help you answer your question - poms are estrogenic so ppl have been told to stay away but since the article came out stating it is actually good people are eating them again.  does it compete with tamoxifen?  - not sure if any studies have been done with humans on estrogenic fruits/vegs while taking tamoxifen.  i did some research for you. here is a study on rats using phytoestrogens in diet in combo with tam.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/65/3/879

Dietary Interactions with Tamoxifen-Associated Tumor Prevention.We next studied mice treated with continuous tamoxifen (8-16weeks of age) to determine if interactions between dietary phytoestrogensand tumor prevention would be observed. For all tamoxifen-treatedmice (n = 203), tumor development was significantly less thanthe control (P < 0.0001) or E₂-treated mice (previously reportedbut shown in Table 3 for comparison; ref. 24). For the tamoxifen-treatedmice that developed tumors, the mean tumor latency was significantlylonger (42 weeks) than the placebo-treated animals (38.3 weeks);P < 0.0001 by ANOVA and Kruskal-Wallis tests.

Of particular importance, tamoxifen-associated mammary tumorprevention was also significantly reduced (to 46.8%) in micefed the low isoflavone enriched diet as compared with all otherdiets (87.5% for the casein-fed, 83.7% for the soy meal-fed,and 83.5% for the high-dose isoflavone-fed mice; P = 0.0001).These differences can be visualized in a tabular form (Table 3).Despite this modification of tumor prevention by diet, significantdifferences in the mean tumor-free latency by diet were notobserved. For example, in the tamoxifen-treated mice that developedmammary tumors, those maintained on a low-dose isoflavone diethad the shortest tumor-free interval (mean, 39.6 weeks) as comparedwith soy meal-fed (mean, 40 weeks), casein-fed (mean, 44.7 weeks),and high-dose isoflavone-fed mice (mean, 47.8 weeks; variancesbetween these means are not significantly different). Thesedata show that low-dose isoflavone abrogates tamoxifen-associatedmammary tumor prevention in MMTV-wt-erbB-2/neu transgenic mice.

and since the above is on soy - here is info on isoflavones/pomegranate:

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/95/5/346?fulltext=pomegranate&searchid=QID_NOT_SET

What particularly intrigues these scientists is the unique biochemistryof the pomegranate tree. In addition to the high levels of antioxidant-richtannins and flavonoids in the juice and peel, researchers crushand dry the seeds to produce a unique oil, about 80% of whichis a very rare 18-carbon fatty acid, or punicic acid. Also presentin the oil is the isoflavone genistein, the phytoestrogen coumestrol,and the sex steroid estrone.

and here is a/the? study that states pomegranate interferes with the metabolism of CYP3A

http://dmd.aspetjournals.org/content/33/5/644.full

In rats, inhibition of the enteric CYP3A activity by a single exposure to pomegranate juice appears to continue for approximately 3 days (Fig. 4). The recovery pattern in humans is roughly consistent with the time course of enzyme regeneration after irreversible (mechanism-based) inhibition (Venkatakrishnan et al., 2001; Greenblatt et al., 2003). According to these studies, the activity of human enteric CYP3A recovered within 3 days, and this was similar to our results. There are few reports on rat CYP3A regeneration; however, enzyme regeneration after irreversible inhibition is considered to also occur in the rat intestine. Therefore, we considered that the recovery pattern obtained from our results depends on enzyme regeneration after irreversible inhibition. However, this hypothesis is not confirmed in this study and needs to be explored in future studies.

and here is the msds for tamoxifen and i cant find where it states not to eat or drink pomegranate.

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/datasheet/n/nolvadextab.htm

- again, read and choose what is right for you.  sometimes oncologists say no to things they are not 100% on and thats where you may want further clarification from a holistic dr or a nutritionist. note that the above levels for decreasing tumors is waay more than you will get from a glass of pomegrante juice. Good luck!.

Thanks for the input ladies.  I wish I could remember where I read about the pomegranate, oh well.  I appreciate the time in researching and replying.

Best to you all.

Tracy