Stress and the recurrence of TNBC
Hi everyone. I am recovering from bi-lateral mast (1/25/10) A recurrence of TN that was dx'd in Nov. 2006, and reared it's ugly head exactly 3 years later to the day. Two centimeters larger. Again not showing up on a previous, recent mammogram. Where in the hell was it hiding? I asked this question both times.
I woke up this morning asking myself why, as I know most of you have. I don't drink or smoke, I eat healthy foods, I maintain a healthy weight, I am charitable and giving, even to strangers. I don't go to church on Sunday but I have strong belief in God. I am a gardener, a serious one, and I always believed I was doing God's work by making the world around me more beautiful. So I have even gardened for my neighbors and friends who aren't able to garden for themselves.
I have made one serious mistake and that is not ridding my life of stress and chaos.
I allowed my son to come back home after the failure of his second marriage in June of 2007, right after the end of chemo, my boyfriend at the time resented this and we began to fight, and there was name calling, hollering and screaming. My son, who I allowed to live in my basement had numerous women in and out of my house at any given time. And my boyfriend yelled and screamed, and became even more resentful. And then my mother died suddenly in her sleep in March of 2008. She left an autistic adult child behind and I had to travel every weekend out of state to make sure she was OK. My boyfriend yelled and screamed because he felt my half-sister was taking time from him and our date/sex night.
I think I remember feeling like my body was breaking down, not feeling so strong anymore, and wondering if it was just an old wives tale when I was warned that stress will bring that cancer back. Is there any truth to that? Do you think? Maybe I should have listened to my body when I started getting shingles!
The boyfriend and the son are gone now. Is it too late for me? Did stress have it's way with me just a tad bit too long? Did I wait too long to rid my life of the two selfish b------s?
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I don't know Pudding....I too had alot of stress 6 months before my diagnosis...my son totaled his suv...he was fine..but getting the phone call and going to the accident site was enough for my DH and I to say that if we were going to have a heart attack it would have been then....then a few weeks later my DH thought he was having a heart attack...plus it was my son's senior year in HS..plus the guy that my son hit with his suv turned into a nut...he called our house with threats and we had to call the police on him.
I'm trying to live relatively stress free now...I have my DH handle the stressful situations for me...poor guy but that is the way it's going to be for now...everytime I feel that stress starting to build I just try to talk myself out it and relax...I think that is what we have to do.
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Puddin- there's just no damn rhyme nor reason to any of it. It's all just a roll of the dice. I am not saying that we can't improve how we live, or that we shouldn't try to change things, just that I do not think that your cancer came back from stress caused by these two selfish characters. I have had stress ALL my life and because of that, have also learned to deal with whatever comes my way (and it's been a lot!), as well as continuing to function well through it all. Now, while I cannot say with certainty that isn't part of what has caused my triple negative cancer, I also cannot say for certain that it was. On the other hand, two gals I have met since being diagnosed, also triple negs, have had lives that seem to have run as smooth as glass (and that is their feeling, not mine), and yet were diagnosed the same. Who can figure?
I have seen gals with my early "diagnose", (small nodule, clean nodes and margins, no LVI - having done chemo as agressive as I, along with 33 days of rads) - march steadfastly and quickly into Stage 4, while others, with larger tumors, several nodes, etc, are fine several years out.
All I guess any of us can do is to tell ourselves we did the best we could with the tools we had at our disposal, and just hope for the best. It is what it is, and really out of our hands. What we do with our life from this point on IS within our molding. If I can learn to live each day with a little less fear than the day prior - and thinking today a little bit less of having cancer than I did yesterday - then I will feel that I have accomplished a lot! I am working hard on it (um, not always successfully, I might add, but still trying).
I wish you all the best, Puddin - I hate it that it's hit you twice - just not fair at all.
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hhfheidi and everyone- This is my third bc. The first was er/pr+ in right breast in 2005. Stage I. AI and rads for that one. Node neg, clean margins, .82cm. 2006 TN was 1.8cm, node neg, Grade 3, Stage I, clean margins, chemo a/c x4 and rads, three years later TN 3cm, node neg, clean margins, stage II, don't know what chemo regimen yet. I have been told that TN will often bypass nodes and still show up as a distant met when it is ready to. I have been told that I am fortunate that scans are clean. But why is it that I really don't feel like that is good news?
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I have wondered about this question many times myself. The year before I was dx, I went through a contract dispute with my employer (as did all my colleagues) and we ended up all resigning together. it was incredibly stressful, lots of hush hush calls to lawyers and secret meetings. The stress level was very high for months on end. Finally, we made the break and things began to settle down, as it became clear that there would be no legal action taken against us. And then, just as life was looking up, wham! The diagnosis.
Is there a connection? Who knows. My colleagues that went through it with me had the same stress, but no one else got cancer. Also, I have read on here somewhere that some cancers have been in our bodies growing slowly for YEARS and that it wasn't a reaction to anything recent.I don't know. But what I DO know is that we can't change yesterday, only tomorrow. Please don't add MORE stress by beating yourself up about the past. This is hard enough as it is. Just focus on getting better and taking care of YOU!
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hhfheidi-I agree with you. I just can't figure it out. I have a close friend who is in her early forties and discovered a TN in her left breast around 7 or 8 cm, with node involvement, right after she stopped nursing her new son. This happened in 2004. She is doing just fine. Her mother died of BC in 2006. So there is also family history. She had mast w/o recon. But she has had no recurrences and she is doing just fine.
I am also scared. Because this is all so confusing and overwhelming. What a horrible disease.
I see in your tx profile that you were given a taxane? I have been told that's a very effective treatment for TN's. I am sure I will have a taxane added to my regimen this time. Didn't have a taxane three years ago, or dose dense, maybe that's why it came back.
Don't be scared Heidi. Your tx regimen was better than mine. You're going to be just fine.
Puddin'
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Gg08- I agree with you Bonnie. I've had stress in just about all of my adult life. Don't know why I haven't had a heart attack or stroke. But BC was there lurking in the shadows the whole time.
Puddin'
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puddingirl84
is your dx this time a new primary? It looks like a new primary though not a recurrence. Did you have a mast., the first or second time? Did you do a gene test?
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newalex- The final pathology is still pending. I just had a dbl mx on jan. 25th. It might be a third primary bc. I just don't think so. I tested negative for the brca gene.
Puddin'
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hhfheidi- This is sort of a funny story: In 2007 at the the end of my previous tx regimen, I remember having a panic/anxiety attack on the way home. I just didn't feel "protected" anymore. I found this very upsetting. How was I going to keep the cancer away now that treatment was over?
There was a psychologist's office on my route and I just walked in that day. I guess they were afraid to tell me they didn't take walk-ins. I just refused to leave.
That was the day I began seeing a therapist, to learn how to cope, with this new normal.
It must have really looked like I had gone insane, but they were very calm and talked me through my panic episode.
I laugh about it sometimes now and I have no regrets about seeking professional help.
Puddin'
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Hi Puddingirl, this really stinks that it's your 3rd time! Every time I see someone mention the possibility of stress causing BC, I try to think of anyone I know that hasn't had a ton of stress, and I come up blank!
Someone here said something a while back that has really stuck with me: "Keep your head where your feet are." Easier said than done, I know, but I actually posted it on my computer monitor to remind me to try to stay in the present.
Anyway, are you going to watch the Today Show tomorrow featuring a TNBC patient? There's a post about it - Im so interested to see what she has to say!
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thenewme- Thank You. I am definitely going to watch the Today Show tomorrow.
Puddin'
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Hi Puddingirl,
So sorry to hear what you are going through. Stress is the only reason I have cancer! Before my diagnosis: my mother died, lawsuit with family regarding inheritance-won, 2 car crashes--one after my mother died and one after my husband almost left me which caused severe back pain and an infedelity by my husband caused my hair to start falling out, 3 1/2 year lawsuit over car crash which settled right affter diagnosis in my favor, an audit by the irs which resolved itself during chemo and, to top it all off, a boss who sexually and verbally harrassed me for 4 years through all of the above. I thought I was having a nervous breakdown and was seeing a dr for 4 months before finding the first lump!
We must completely eliminate stress (and maybe some people) from our lives to stay well and one way to do that is by excercising--walk for an hour 5 x a week! Do yoga, meditate, get counseling to learn how to set boundaries with people. Cancer can be a gift of learning what our priorities are and how to live a better, more self loving life.
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MBJ- Thank-you for understanding.
Thank you for being open and frank.
Just before my surgery I started Tai Chi. I have hobbies that I find comforting most times but every now and then we need a little something extra like meditation, counseling, and maybe just learning how to say " I love you, but I love myself more, goodbye." It took me a very long time and three breast cancers to get to that place. But thank God, I got there. I love my son and I miss my ex, I still have those "feelings", if you know what I mean. But I have to put myself first now. I hope it's not too late for me.
Puddin'
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