25% of Cancer Returning after Treatments!

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precioustime
precioustime Member Posts: 233
25% of Cancer Returning after Treatments!

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  • precioustime
    precioustime Member Posts: 233
    edited February 2010

    Had my 3 months post Chemo visit with Oncologist yesterday.

    I asked her what my chances of cancer returning was after Chemo, Surgery and RADS.  She said 25%!  I however am not focused on the numbers-- BUT could not believe after going through such extensive treatments. 6 Treatments of TAC.  BMX with rt. axilla dissection and currently 33 RAD treatments. 

    Has anyone else got a recurrence rate similar to this after treatments or am I just SpecialWink

    Loretta

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    Look at it this way - there is a 75% chance it won't come back.

    Stats well in your favor! 

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Ya, what Kerry said.

    Also, there is no treatment that can be done to give you the 100% that it won't come back...it would be called a cure. Right?

    Why don't you ask for Zometa? It reduces recurrence by 1/3 or 36%. So if you take that, you can add 5-7% risk reduction. Something to ask your onc I would think.

    And....I just saw your stats.........12 positive nodes...I think a 25% risk of recurrence is quite good. I think you should be celebrating!

  • precioustime
    precioustime Member Posts: 233
    edited February 2010

    Kerry -- You are such a Wonderful Person!!!  Again, I have followed you on these threads and you always have something POSITIVE to saySmile

    I am definitely going to look at the 75%!  ThanksSmile

    Hope you are doing Great and Living Life to the Fullest!

    Loretta

  • everyminute
    everyminute Member Posts: 1,805
    edited February 2010

    Stats are not for an individual  - they are for a group and translated to determine treatment for people with similar diagnosis'.  So if 100 women just like you were standing in a room together 75 of them would be NED in 5 years.

    I like to compare bc stats to the weather - If I hear there is a 75% chance it is gonna be sunny, I am at the beach, babe!

  • precioustime
    precioustime Member Posts: 233
    edited February 2010

    Everyminute-- I like your comparison!  THE BEACH sounds REALLY NICE right now!!! 

    Loretta

  • LMDuncan
    LMDuncan Member Posts: 715
    edited February 2010

    Hi Loretta

    I was given 50/50 odds.....and that was after mastectomy, chemo, radiation, ovary removal and zometa.  But I just continue to think I am in the good 50% no recurrance! before treatment if I had only done the mastectomy my recurance rate was 75%. .....I am now almost 2 years since diagnosis and looking forwatd to the next 50 years!

    Lori

  • precioustime
    precioustime Member Posts: 233
    edited February 2010

    Congrats Lori!

    That is definitely the way to look at it! 

    There are SOME STRONG WOMEN on these Threads!!! 

    Loretta

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited February 2010

    Don't forget that exercise reduces the relative risk of recurrence to .36 for Stage 3.  This is three to five hours of brisk walking per week.  (Michelle Holmes, Physical Activity and Survival after Breast Cancer Diagnosis, JAMA 2005)

    I don't need any more incentive to get moving, although the benefit isn't quite as great for Stage 2.  Plus exercise appears to mitigate the side effects of most treatments from chemo (which is where I am) though hormonal therapy. 

    I am beyond signed up.

  • JacquelineG
    JacquelineG Member Posts: 282
    edited February 2010

    I was given the 50/50 chance but I'm now officially changing to that 25%!! Sounds good to me!

     Love that beach comparison!

    Jackie

  • weesa
    weesa Member Posts: 707
    edited February 2010

    Precioustime, My diagnosis is quite like yours and my treatment was identical to yours. My onc told me in 2003 I had a 70% chance of it not returning. However--and this is a bit of a bummer, so brace yourself--er pr positive breast cancer has a long shelf life. More than half the recurrences occur after the 5 year mark. Others types of cancer tend to not relapse after 5 years. I took AI's for 6.5 years and recently had an oncotype dx done with a fairly low score--18. so he is modifiying my chances of recurrence to 20% now and says it will stay 20% for the next ten years.

    By the way your Grade 2 is good!

    If you only have 5 years left to live, would you want to look back on it and think "I screwed it up stressing about my prognosis" or would you want to live to the hilt? If you live 30 more years, same question...

  • Claire_in_Seattle
    Claire_in_Seattle Member Posts: 4,570
    edited February 2010

    Weesa....

    I am going forward assuming I am cured.  I realize there is a possibility I may not be, or that something could happen in the very distant future.  But I refuse to go there or to the "dark side".  Just not helpful.

    I could also crash on my bicycle, get buried in an avalanche while skiing, fall off a ledge while hiking, or have the breaks fail on my car.

    I also realize that my odds of dying from heart disease are greater than those of my dying from breast cancer, so I am taking measures to make sure I don't get that either.  Or diabetes, which is what killed my father.  All the more reason to exercise and eat a healthy diet.

    I think the big difference in my life going foward is that I will pay more attention to my weight as those 20 pounds I was carrying around really do matter. Fortunately, they are mostly gone now :)

  • KorynH
    KorynH Member Posts: 301
    edited February 2010

    How does her2+++ play into this? Does anybody know the odds for Her2 positive with triple expression? (That is different than triple positive....since there are triple her2 gals who are er/pr neg as well....) Make sense?

  • bejuce
    bejuce Member Posts: 97
    edited February 2010

    Well, I'm ER+ (30%), PR-, and HER-2+, did neo-adjuvant chemo for a giant 10x12 cm tumor (on MRI), and at mastectomy had no more tumor in the breast, but viable cells in 11/13 nodes.  With all that and taking Herceptin, my oncologist ran AdjuvantOnline for me and gave me a 30% chance of it coming back - which means I have a 70 % chance it won't.  70% sounds pretty good to me, but we all know that stats are averaged out and do not take into account our individual treatments and histories.  The 70% number was just an estimate and did not take into account the fact that I got Tykerb as part of my treatment. 

    Also consider this - my risk of having breast cancer was something like 0.5% and I got it while nursing my 3rd, having nursed each child until they were two.  So who's to say what 70% will mean in the long run? Who knows???  Try not to focus on the numbers but rather make good choices daily (which I admit I struggle to do.  For example, I haven't been able to let go of my 1/2 can of Diet Coke per day).

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Koryn,

    Her2 +++....means that you are highly Her2 positive. I think its the FISH test that rates like this. Some woman would test as Her2 ++, and should still be considered Her2  positive and get Herceptin.

    The stats are a little different for Er+/ Her2+ VS Er-/Her2+.

    bejuce,

    I can't seem to shake off my Coke Zero. Im trying, but I dont drink alcohol or smoke....I have to have some quilty pleasure.

  • Beverly11
    Beverly11 Member Posts: 443
    edited February 2010

    Awesome posts. 

    Loretta - remember your cup is 3/4 full not 1/4 empty!!!

    Bev

  • Ezscriiibe
    Ezscriiibe Member Posts: 598
    edited February 2010

    My doctor gave me similar stats re: combo treatment, but it was over a 10-year period.

    Something like out of 100 women, with chemo and hormone, 78 of them would have no recurrence in 10 years. Five would be dead of other causes unrelated to cancer (such as car wreck, etc), and the rest would have a recurrence. 

    I'll take it considering without any treatment, only 45 would not have a recurrence in 10 years.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited February 2010

    Precious.....my onc tells me the same thing.....I just marked 4 years from Dx....and you are so right....there are many, many strong women on these boards....we all are in our own way from having to travel this journey....

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited February 2010

    Also remember part of that reoccurence rate is LOCAL reoccuerence which is well bad but not as bad-can still be cured puresue.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited February 2010

    HER2+++ just means that you are definitely HER2 positive not highly positive.

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