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  • Frankie_
    Frankie_ Member Posts: 422
    edited February 2010

    Just wondering if anyone knows anything about whether it is safe to conceive after Zometa treatments? I came across a posting some where under a "Zometa" topic that a lady on this site heard from a OBGYN that Zometa stays in your bloodstream for up to 10 years and that it could cause extra bone growth in a developing fetus in the future. My onc has agreed to prescribe my Zometa as a preventative and I have learned from my insurance company that they will cover the cost. My onc said that it is better to start with Zometa sooner than later as a preventative. When I asked him if it was safe to consider conceiving later after the 6 treatments and the risk of harm to a developing fetus he said that the drug is out of the bloodsteam within 72 hours. I am not sure if I trust his answer. I want to make the best informed decision for myself and my husband. I am not even sure that we will be able to conceive in the future (due to chemical menopause) -atleast for now, while undergoing treatments, but I just want to be armed with acurrate information. At this stage I realize that any preventative measure I take for myself in avoiding reoccurence should be my number one priority. Guess it's hard knowing we were expecting our first child at the time of my diagnosis and have since miscarried. Would love to hear from anyone who might have more information.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2010

    This document says half-life of Zometa is 146 hours.

    http://www.zometa.com/pdf/zometa_solution.pdf 

  • weety
    weety Member Posts: 1,163
    edited February 2010

    Hmmm, I had read something else (in a medical article) that said the half-life of bisphosphonates was years and that is why they thought the benefits of having bisph. treatments lasted long after stopping the meds.  I wish I could remember where I had read it.  I remember it was an an article I took to my onc when trying to convincer her  to give me the zometa off-label.  I will look around for it. 

    Maybe someone else will have more info for you, Frankie, before I find it. I'm so sorry you are in the position to have to let both the cancer and your want for children to factor into your decisions for treatment.  It is hard enough to be dealing with one at a time!  You are right in that you have to put avoiding your recurrence at the top of your priorities, but at the same time, you are HER2+ and herceptin has really changed the grim outlook on this type of cancer.  My onc basically told me that herceptin somewhat "levels the playing field" for HER2+ cancer and a stage IIIer has almost as good as a chance of being "cured" as a stage I gal does. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2010

    I read about the 10 years too, but all the Google gave me is 146 hours... Strange.

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited February 2010

    These is informaiton on the Novatis site about pregnancy and taking Zometa.

  • Frankie_
    Frankie_ Member Posts: 422
    edited February 2010

    Weety911-I was just wondering if you were able to locate that article you referred to?  I have come across info that states not to take Zometa if you are pregnant as it is a Category "D" drug but have not been able to find anything stating (when it is safe after receiving the drug) to try to conceive.

    Please if anyone has info please feel free to chime in!

    Thanks!!!!

    Frankie

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    Frankie - I would call AccessZometa and ask. Tel - 1-866-281-4765. If anyone knows, they will.

  • chinablue
    chinablue Member Posts: 545
    edited February 2010

    I had my first Zometa infusion and had no se's and it has been close to 24 hours.

  • Frankie_
    Frankie_ Member Posts: 422
    edited February 2010

    Thanks KerryMac I will call AcessZometa and ask them.

    Does any one know what the % rate is for taking Zometa as a preventative to avoid reoccurence is? I think my onc said it would be a 3% aid in preventing a reoccurence. That to me seems to be a low percentage rate!

    Frankie

  • kim40
    kim40 Member Posts: 904
    edited February 2010

    I was told that it only makes a marginal difference.   But the way I look at it is a marginal differnce here, and a marginal difference there adds up to a whole lot at the end of the day!!  That's why I'm taking it.  I just want to know that I am doing everything I can to keep the beast away and if this is only going to make a little difference, then I'll take my chances.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    I'm with Kim - 3% may not seem huge, but it is everything if you are in that 3%. Me, I'll risk it!

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Frankie,

    The studies to date have shown Zometa reduces recurrence by 1/3 or 36%. SO, you have to look at YOUR personal risk of relapse. Example...

    Woman A has a 20% chance of recurrence after finishing chemo, surgery, rads. Zometa would take that 20% down 7.2 %. Making her risk of recurrence 13.8%.

    Woman B has a 10% chance of recurrence after finishing chemo, surgery, rads. Zometa would take that 10% down 3.6%. Making her risk of recurrence 7.4%.

    Woman C has a 30% chance of recurrence after finishing chemo, surgery, rads. Zometa would take that 30% down 10.8%. Making her risk of recurrence 19.2%.

    SO basically, the higher the risk you are for recurrence, the more you would benefit from Zometa.

  • weety
    weety Member Posts: 1,163
    edited February 2010

    And remember, statistics are just that--statistics.  

    Frankie, I haven't found that article yet, but still looking through all my paperwork.  I will check one last place it might be this evening when I get back from radiation.

  • kim40
    kim40 Member Posts: 904
    edited February 2010

    Lexislove

    WOW!  Thanks for the update on the Zometa studies.  I am at high risk (30%) so knowing that I may be down to 19.2% makes me feel better about the decision that I made in taking it.

    Thanks

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited February 2010

    I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the more frequent treatment (much higher cumulative dosage during the 1st year) being used in the clinical trial may enhance its effectiveness.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    Yep, then cut that in half with exercise....I tell ya, that Stupid Cancer has no chance!

  • Alaina
    Alaina Member Posts: 461
    edited February 2010

    Claude1944, if you have federal BC/BS (as I do), then the 30% out-of-pocket is normal if you have not yet met your $5000 maximum out-of-pocket for the year.

    When I got diagnosed last March, by the time I had had all those doctors appointments, tests/scans/MRIs, one port surgery, and one chemo, I had already reached the $5000!  It only took about 6 weeks!  The rest of 2009, I didn't pay for ANYthing, BC/BS covered it ALL!  It also helped that all my doctors and the hospital they work at are in the BC/BS network. 

    I'm still getting Herceptin this year, and will have my reconstruction this year, as well as 2 Zometa treatments, and two 6-month scans....so I fully expect to reach the $5000 out-of-pocket AGAIN this year, but just not as quickly.

    I've just resolved myself to setting aside $5000 each year for my health.  The good news is that it's tax-deductible once you get into those numbers!

  • weety
    weety Member Posts: 1,163
    edited February 2010

    I'm sorry Frankie, I looked everywhere and I can't find that journal article about zometa's half-life.  Keep asking--maybe someone else will know something.  THat's the beauty of this site!

  • Frankie_
    Frankie_ Member Posts: 422
    edited February 2010

    Thanks leprechaun (for the link) KerryMac (contact info) and Lexislove for your insight!

    Kim 40 -I also agree with your comment and with KerryMac's comment about wanting to do everything you possibility can to avoid a reoccurrence and that every effort is worth it (despite the %).

    Weety911 -Thanks so much for trying to locate the article that you referred to. No problem!

    I am in contact with a Oncologist from Princess Margaret Hospital that I went to high school with and who's mother is a very close friend of my mother. Anyway, she sent me an email with some info about Zometa pertaining to my Q. I tried to "cut & paste" the section on this thread. For what ever reason I had trouble cutting & pasting to this thread. Has anyone else experienced difficulties cutting & pasting??? Any hints how to go about it??? I will try again in case there is anybody else that might want more info about Zometa/conceiving (in the future).

    Frankie

  • Welga
    Welga Member Posts: 308
    edited February 2010

    Frankie,

    For cut and paste: you have to paste your text first, then when you go in the reply box above you can see an icon that is sqare with a ''T'' on it, click on it and then you can paste your text there and I then under that box click ''insert'' and voila. 

    Welga

  • Let-It-Be
    Let-It-Be Member Posts: 325
    edited February 2010

    Just giving an update. I'm getting Zometa!  I was on the fence and it was my Naturopath who did the homework and thought it would be good for me!  Can you believe it?  My oncologist was non committal and only said she didn't think it would benefit me.  My Naturopath cited the stats Lexislove quoted above from the European study and said 1/3rd is pretty huge in a study like this one( 5years ).  So that's it!  I'm calling my onc tomorrow to get going on this.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    Yah! Good for you, you won't regret it.

  • Let-It-Be
    Let-It-Be Member Posts: 325
    edited February 2010

    Thanks Kerry, I was really wishy washy, but now I feel confident about it.  My onc stressed 3% and my naturo emphasized 1/3rd reduction.  Funny eh? 

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    Good for you let-it-be!

    Im sure you will tolerate Zometa fine, and BE confident with Zometa...I'm sure it will be standard of care oneday.

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    Christine - you know, I've said it before, and I'll say it again - 3% is everything if you are in that 3%!

    PersonallyI think it is more. Let us know when you get it set up. I'm due for #2 next month.

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Member Posts: 1,439
    edited February 2010

    I asked my onc yesterday about zometa. She said the studies were done on Postmenopausal women and that on premenopausal it hsa little to no effect. She did agree that after my chemo ends this spring I can do it if I want.

    Is that true about the studies?

  • Let-It-Be
    Let-It-Be Member Posts: 325
    edited February 2010

    I have a copy of the european study and it says that it benefitted "Pre-menopausal" women...

  • KerryMac
    KerryMac Member Posts: 3,529
    edited February 2010

    Yep, the European Study was on pre-menopausal women, who had Ovarian Suppression.

    I think some Oncs are just reluctant to prescribe "outside the box". My onc said she couldn't promise any benefit, nor did she say there wasn't going to be a benefit, but worst case scenario, she really didn't see it doing me any harm. So, worth a shot.

    I just think they want you to be aware that it isn't a proven treatment. They are thinking like scientists, we are thinking about saving our lives. Different perspective!

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited February 2010

    gewizz,

    It was done on pre menopausal woman. They are doing studies on post meno to see if it has the same effect.

    Just google Zometa and Breast cancer and theres lots of info. Print out some findings and bring it back your onc. Keep trying. Persistance pays off.

  • victoriasecret
    victoriasecret Member Posts: 333
    edited February 2010

    Christine...see you there I am being infused in April at JCC...ml C

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