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to make a long story short, I was diagnosed end of dec., right before xmas.  Also learned I was pregnant, same day.  Treatment was delayed over xmas, and while I tried to get my head together.  Miscarried horribly about a week and a half ago.  Lost so much blood they gave me a transfusion.  Have had the worst headache I have ever known ever since.  Have been to my doctor, diagnosed with severe anemia.  My blood count had not risen significantly since before the transfusion, and am on iron pills, but feel very weak and worn out.  If my count does not improve, I will need another transfusion, and was supposed to get started on chemo first, but now can't because a) my doctor went off on vacation for 10 days right as I was supposed to start, and b) they can't do anything until my general health improves.  I've always been super-healthy, so I am flipped out, and don't really know how to take it easy.

Enter my SO, who works hard, pays all the bills, but really chooses not to help around the house or with our 3 1/2 y.o. very much.

We moved in Oct., but he still has not put together our beds, so our daughter now sleeps with us.  Every night.  She is up early, so I am up early.  I work hard all day, every day.  I'm talking homemade bread, cookies, cleaning, laundry, you know the drill.   With not a lot of help.

Tonight, as I was getting ready to (finally) read to my daughter at 10 pm and put her to bed, (I have to wait for her to go to sleep before I can go up,) he starts giving me @#$t about not bathing her often enough.  My daughter HATES baths, and screams and crys all the way through, I have to close windows in the summer. Really.  I suggested that the bath wasn't really the issue, as if it were, he could just give her one.  While I cook, or clean, or do laundry, or take the trash out.

I don't really know how to take someone who seems so completely unconcerned about me all of a sudden, as if my worth just plummeted.  So, now it seems like I am taking on extra, just to prove I still have worth.

This is nuts, will someone just tell me to go put my feet up?

Thanks for listening.

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  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited February 2010

    Go put your feet up; and then plan how you can get a cleaning lady, an occasional baby sitter, some time with your girls friends, and some time just for yourself too!!!!

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited February 2010

    Hey 1vamom,

    It sounds like you are doing everything, all the time.  Please know that you have worth and alot of us know it is not easy to raise a toddler.  I also have gone through a miscarriage - try to give yourself time to get through it.  I will be thinking good thoughts for you...please look out for yourself and your child.  You need love and understanding right now.

  • Kyta
    Kyta Member Posts: 713
    edited February 2010

    Hi 1vamom....you've had a lot to deal with lately and definitely need to put your feet up and rest. Speaking of rest, you need a good night's sleep, so hoping you get your daughter's bed set up soon.

    take care

  • hymil
    hymil Member Posts: 826
    edited February 2010

    Oh my, you are doing so much already! and with your hormones still topsy-turvey and major blood loss on top of bad news.

    i'm sure you love your SO, but he really sounds like he's being a ratbag over this, (HIS daughter too) doesn't he realise if you deteriorate and get back in hospital he would just have to do more so it would be much better to help now and keep you well? Men can be such shortsighted idiots!

    Do you have the option of taking a few days staying with your mom or a friend? You need more help of some sort and soon.

  • 1vamom
    1vamom Member Posts: 167
    edited February 2010

    Thanks for the kind words, I've really been putting myself down for not being able to do as much, and really ragging myself out trying.  Each of you made me smile, and thanks for that, but ratbag really describes things!  I don't really have the option of bailing out for any amount of time, but I'm just trying to realize it's not worth killing myself to please someone who doesn't seem inclined to help me.  It really doesn't even seem to occur to him that I need help, but when I ask for help, I'm nagging.  Yes, I know he needs to grow up and help, but how to get him to know it???

  • 1vamom
    1vamom Member Posts: 167
    edited February 2010

    Thanks, Bonnie.  i have tried EVERYTHING to make it fun, but this larger "tub" in the pic may do the trick.  It's not really the tub that is the biggest issue, it's hair washing, which she knows is usually going to happen.  And my dreading it doesn't make it better, I know.  Isn't this something dads can figure out?  I know for a fact some do...  I think this is just one issue of many to come, but I am going to try this tub as soon as my 2 feet of snow melt enough for me to get out in the world.  And thanks for listening, very much appreciated, Jen.

  • cancersuks
    cancersuks Member Posts: 258
    edited February 2010

    Ignore him when he's acting this way, and give him attention when he steps up to the plate,

    focus only on you and what makes you happy.  Men behave badly when the focus is on

    pleasing them.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited February 2010

    Okay, a couple of things:

    Quit baking cookies (3 year olds don't need them and SO will miss them...hehehehhee)

    Quit baking your own bread (it costs less to buy and SO might miss it...hehehehehhe)

    Put your daughter's bed together yourself or get a friend in. SO will be embarrassed and/or guilt-ridden. (Some types of guys need the nagging so they feel they are rebelling. If you don't nag, he hasn't nothing to bitch about!)

    Tell SO you can't possibly have sex until  your daughter is in her own room. (AND you heal emotionally and physically from your miscarrige!)

    How the heck did you conceive again when your DD sleeps with you???

    It's certainly normal for kids to hate baths so tell SO to get over it. LOVE the idea of a swimming pool and her in a bathing suit - just might do the trick! A child's hair doesn't get dirty enough to wash every day. Have a bath without washing her hair and make it fun.

    Your treatment for chemo should NOT be affected with your docs holidays! A program should have been put into place before he left. Get a new doc.

    Put your feet up and enjoy some reading time with your DD; cuddling with DD and TV watching with DD. T'will be good for you two and SO might get jealous!

    heheheheeheh

  • 1vamom
    1vamom Member Posts: 167
    edited February 2010

    Thanks Barbe, I know, I know.  I know all that, and yet, I am feeling so poorly,it doesn't seem to sink in.  I am trying to reserve all available energies for my dearest D, this guy's attitude is destroying me.  He has been thru medical issues, I of course have spent sleepless nights taking care.  Now that I feel lower than I ever have in my LIFE, all he seems to do is try to knock me down farther.  I spent some time making excuses (he's scared, doesn't know how to deal with this, etc.) and then realized that I feel so badly, it doesn't really matter how he feels.  I have told him I need more, he doesn't think he can do more, so I am out.  I told him March 1 I and DD will be living elsewhere.  Don't really need the hassle right now, but the longer term hassle seemed unbearable.  I need someone to take care of me, if he won't, I will take care of myself, but somewhere else. 

    My treatment was delayed first when I found out I was pregnant, next I miscarried horribly (I guess they all are) and now my blood counts are so low, if I'm not careful I will be in the OR for a transfusion. I am calling my surgeon today for a different referral for chemo, but with 2 feet of snow on the ground, and more coming today, it's hard to plan realistically.  I'm just back at the original panic stage now.  And I guess hormones are involved as well.

    Thanks for all who have listened, I realize I should do less, and relax more, but as the (mostly) only caretaker of an active 3 y.o., it's hard.  Thanks for treating me as if all this matters.

  • 3katz
    3katz Member Posts: 1,264
    edited February 2010

    1vamom - I am so sorry for what you have gone through. So yes, put your feet up. I agree with Barbe (she is one wise woman!) - no more baking, have someone help with the bed. And housework can wait.

     Have you heard of "Cleaning for a Reason?" www.cleaningforareason.org This is an organization that provides housework for cancer patients. They could help you out. There are a number of Virginia cities where the service is available.

  • 1vamom
    1vamom Member Posts: 167
    edited February 2010

    Thanks, 3katz, I have heard of this group.  There was an article in our local paper the other day.  Maybe they could take the dead xmas tree in my living room to the curb! haha, but not really.

      I haven't even been able to get "started" yet, and feel like I should save my whining for when things get really bad, but they feel bad now, and knowing it will get worse is draining me.  i suppose I have been doing housework, etc. as a coping device, to sort of pretend this isn't happening until it is, but it really is.

    Thanks to all for listening, I live with someone who tends to try to make me feel like I'm the "crazy" one, it's nice to encounter so much sanity and kindness.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited February 2010

    Hi 1vamom,

    You've really been through the wringer!  I'm so sorry for all that you're going through.  Try to cut yourself some slack - you're not crazy, but it sounds like your "ratbag" is sending you there!   I think Barbe has the best advice.  You need to cut wayyyyy back.  Seriously.  Do what you need to do to get through today.  Don't bother with the extras (especially the ratbag - is he really worth it?).  Take DD in the shower with you - let her shampoo your hair and then do hers (tear-free shampoo only!). Let the housework go -call cleaning for a reason and let friends and family help.  DD can sleep on a mattress on the floor - call it a camp-out, and maybe you can join her for a fun girls sleepover.  

    I don't mean to sound harsh, but It sounds like you  really need to do some soul searching to see if your SO is really worth the "hassle."  There's a book called (I think) "Learning to Leave" that I read before I left my ex, and it really helped to put things in perspective.  If he doesn't respect you and support you in this terrible time of need, and if he is so egocentric that he can't/won't step up to raise his own child, then what DOES he do for you, really?  Do you have other options such as moving in with a friend or family member while you recover and get back on your feet?   

    Best of luck.  Take care of yourself and your daughter and know we're here!

  • 1vamom
    1vamom Member Posts: 167
    edited February 2010

    Yes, I've really been through it.

    Believe me, soul searching is going on.  He is not respecting me, not "stepping up," but to him, it's enough that he goes to work and pays the bills.  I have not "worked" since my daughter was born, have no money of my own, no family that I could stay with, and am just feeling trapped.  This relationship was good, not great before dx, now has gone rapidly downhill.  I told him not to worry about emotional support or any of that other "stuff."  That I have found a network of strangers ready, willing, and able.  Cleaning can go by the wayside, but the stress of dealing with this relationship is getting me down. 

    I have a call in to my surgeon's office to access any counseling they may offer, or whatever else.

    And just gave my DD a big hug.  This will pass.

    Thanks, all. 

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited February 2010

    Hang in there and keep reaching out!   Great idea about contacting the surgeon's office - maybe try the oncologist's office too. 

    Hugs to you and DD!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2010

    1vamom - there is a service called "Cleaning for a reason" that will send housecleaners for free to cancer patients going through active treatment.  They have a website - google it and see if they are in your area.  You will need to have your onc. sign a form that you are in active treatment.  See if they are in your area.

    I am sorry - we are all here for you!

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2010

    VAmom - this matters!  YOU matter.

    The suggestions here are all good. But they will only help if YOU TAKE THEM.  

    Some questions to add:
    Do you have extended family or close friends nearby? You MUST get them involved. Whether you are going to be on your own or stay with him, you clearly need more support. Ask for help for people to come in the evenings, on weekends, help with housework or fun time with DD to give you a break to REST. You MUST conserve your strength for what lies ahead.  The short term is LESS IMPORTANT than the long term. You want to dance at your DD's wedding and be a grandma. Your ability to do that depends on what you do today. You need to REST, eat well, REST, eat well, and spend time with DD. EVERYTHING ELSE is secondary (or tertiary).

    Second, are you going to a cancer center that provides support, either in a group or do they have a cancer psychologist on staff? If so, and if your insurance will cover, GO! It will help you.  When I hear someone saying "I know, I know" but they can't seem to 'get it', a professional can help break through the underlying blocks.  I am not being critical here - I went myself and it REALLY HELPED ME. I never realized that I truly believed that if I was not on top of everything, that those close to me wouldnt' love me anymore.  When that truth hit me, there were LOTS of tears but since then, I am MUCH more accepting of myself and my limitations and guess what - people still DO love me - just for ME, not everything I DO FOR THEM.  So please consider this to help your head become clear with these truths.

    Third - reprioritize. Figure out what you can do, what can go by the wayside (skip the non-essential cooking/baking for now) and stop worrying about extraneous things. I realize that when you were healthy, you enjoyed those domestic elements and they were important to you. But with the diagnosis, everything changed. If DD hates the hair washing, give her a very short pixie hair cut - that will make the whole process easier.

    Fourth - give yourself a hug from all of us. Come back with ANY/ALL questions/concerns. There are LOTS of strong brave ladies here (just like you) who are on the other side of treatment who will love and support you every step of the way. And give that DD an extra hug - she just inherited a whole lot of aunties!

    In sisterhood - 

    Amy

  • misty09045
    misty09045 Member Posts: 6
    edited February 2010

    Hey Momma, I am so sorry you are going through all of this. Sometimes the men in our lives just don't get it do they........ My husband used to be the same way! He thought anything that had to do with our kids or house was my responsibility alone. I don't know what to tell you about your hubby, but, I will tell you that you are not alone in this! I had my mastectomy on Christmas Eve, and started my chemo in January. It isn't easy being a wife and a mother as it is, and then to toss the cancer on top of everything else, it just feels overwhelming.

    Have you looked for a support group? That may help you with invaluable resources, and if you can get your husband involved, it might help him alot too! I have found that alot of the time the SO just doesn't understand what we are going through!

    You have to take a break and put your feet up now and then! If you don't take care of yourself, you can't efficiently take care of others! What part of VA are you in?

    Take 15 minutes at a minimum to yourself everyday!

    You will get through it all!

  • lovemyfamilysomuch
    lovemyfamilysomuch Member Posts: 1,585
    edited February 2010

    VA mom--My goodness  you have been through so much!  I admire you for handling things thus far.  I agree, honey, take a tip from these wise women--do what you need to do to take care of yourself and your little one.  You are worth it, and don't let the rat insinuate that you haven't been working by raising your baby and taking care of her up till now.  That is the most important work in the world!!  I can only imagine how you must feel, I don't know what else to tell you except that I am glad you are writing to us and we will support you all we can.  Remember who you are!!  xo In sisterhood

  • 1vamom
    1vamom Member Posts: 167
    edited February 2010

    Thank you all for so many caring words and understanding.  This kindness makes me feel less alone, and more focused on reality, that my DD (and teenage son) are what matters.  I have been trying to keep things "normal" for them, but I guess i need to rethink normal.

    Hopefully someone from my doctor's office will call, I really feel the need to put all this out in front of someone who is paid to just listen to it all.  I'm not really a support group type of person, I'm pretty private, but maybe this would help.  I am in No. Va. and am getting treatment at Va.Hospital Center.  They seem like they know their business, but I'm new to this, and just feel like I'm bugging them to call them with my pre-existing (relationship) issues.  but, I guess it's all related to my better health in the end.  Thanks again for so many kind words and caring thoughts, I'm feeling the fight returning to my system. 

  • AnneN
    AnneN Member Posts: 241
    edited February 2010

    Hugs, 1vamom.

    You really hit the nail on the head when you said, "it's not worth killing myself to please someone who doesn't seem inclined to help me." Amy is right - please think long term and take care of yourself so you can see your kids grow up. If that means you and the kids getting out, then that's what it means.

    I think you're wise to say, "I really feel the need to put all this out in front of someone who is paid to just listen to it all." You're not "bugging them" - it's what they're there for! Good for you for taking the initiative to look for support services at your hospital. If they are overbooked and don't get back to you, here are a couple of other possibilities: 

    Is there a women's shelter in your neighborhood that might point you to some resources? Even though he's not physically abusing you, it sounds like emotionally he is, and they might be able to help.

    Or is there a college or university with a women's center? Again, they would know of the resources in your community.

    You must be so exhausted. Seeking help must seem like one more burden that you've got no energy for. But even just a phone call to one of these resources might point you to help that could lighten your load.

    Have you thought about what help you could ask for from your teenage son? Most teenagers are NEVER going to notice on their own when their parents need help, but can be surprisingly willing to help if they're asked. 

    Oh, and about that hair washing - my middle child was the same way, until we hit on the idea of making "dinosaur spikes" on his head out of the shampoo and letting him see them in the mirror. Then he was able to have enough fun with it that we could get through it.

    Good luck to you.  Please give us an update when you can on how you are doing.

    Anne 


  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited February 2010

    1vamom.....you are doing way too much with all that your body has been through...you need time to heal....I too love to bake, but when I was going through Tx it had to get put aside...so did lots of other things.......my kids are older than your DD, but my youngest always loved getting a shower with me when she was little....maybe your DD would like that.....Ask your teenage son to help...he may just surprise you....he can help with laundry, cleaning up after meals, even cooking something simple or running errands or playing with his sister while you take a nap.  Call cleaning for a cause....Its all about you right now...sending you cyber hugs....

  • EWB
    EWB Member Posts: 2,927
    edited February 2010

    if dd likes swimming - why not try swim goggles (if shampoo in the eyes is part of the issue).

  • 1vamom
    1vamom Member Posts: 167
    edited February 2010

    Thanks for all who have answered my plea!

    Bonnie, we have one of those, too.  I think they are a wonderful invention, DD, not so much.  She understands the process, and practises on stuffed animals, but when we get to the step where "if you tip your head back, you won't get any water in your eyes" (the mantra) she freaks out, tips her head down, and watch out world!

    I have a question, I called my doctor tuesday for a recommendation for counseling.  Spent all day yesterday in bed crying, called back this morning to rip someone apart for not calling.  My surgeon's asst. (as close as I can get to her) finally gets on the phone, acts snippy with me, and swears she left a message on my machine yesterday, and tells me they are actually very busy.

    There IS NO Message.Is it just time to start over somewhere else?

    I am in NO.Va.  Anyone out there happy with their treatment close to me?  I haven't even gotten started, and already I am disgusted with Va. Hospital Center.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2010

    Hi VAMom,

       You have so much on your plate right now.  Sending you a big hug.

     I would suggest calling your PCP, rather than the surgeon's office, and make an appt.  Your PCP may recommend medication and have quicker access to counseling support.  My PCP is my "go to" doctor.  She's on top of all my medical issues .. I see the surgeon, etc. only for regular appts.

    Best of luck,

    Bren

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited February 2010

    Barbe ... as usual, right to the point.  Good for you.

    Vamom ... I can't give advice on bathing children because I've never done it but it appears there are lots of mothers here that can.  I struggle with the same issues (not from a SO) - just plain family.  My self worth was based on how much I could do, not on who I am.  If anyone in the family is sick, I would be proactive in their care as opposed to me having to keep requesting help until you become a nagger.  You are not the only one living in the house, eating.  HE does too.  It is not your job to clean house, prepare meals and try to take care of yourself.  And HE is the child's father.  When you are sick and anemic I don't know how in the world you managed everything you have - talk about wonderwoman!

    Just don't do it - you and your daughter are the most important.  How you could even care for a toddler in your condition I don't know.

    Get a new oncologist ... this one sounds like a jerk.  You want someone to be kind and caring .. its not like they work on an assembly line with inanimate objects!

    Please let us know how things are with you.  I can feel your frustration and feelings of being overwhelmed.  Hugs to you and your DD.

    BTW, I am in Virginia too - whereabouts are you?  I know an excellent oncologist but he is in Loudoun County.

  • 1vamom
    1vamom Member Posts: 167
    edited February 2010

    Overwhelmed is the word of the day.

    Thanks for hugs, they are few around here.

    I am in Woodbridge, grew up in No.Va, but am comfortable going just about anywhere right now to access quality CARING care.

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2010

    VAmom - I am so sorry you are struggling so much.  But I have to say - this has been a VERY difficult week because of the snow for all of us in the mid Atlantic area. The doctor's office was probably closed at least one day or maybe two, and they are probably overwhelmed. This does not in any way excuse her attitude, or make any statement on the seriousness of your concern and request. But I think you need to keep in mind that this is NOT a normal week and this response may not be representative of their ongoing level of care. Personally, I would give them another opportunity to show a higher level of care before I switched. (Switching practices is stressful in itself.)

    However, I really believe you need help and support badly. You have a lot of stuff happening at once. Here are some places that offer help and support (by phone) to bc patients 24 hours/day. I encourage you to call:

    http://www.networkofstrength.org/support/ 

    http://www.networkofstrength.org/programs/match.php 

    Also I am fairly sure there is a Northern VA thread on this site. The ladies in your local area may have suggestions re counselors or best docs/hospitals/care that is applicable to you.

    Even if you do get a referral to a counselor or therapist, they will probably not be able to see you immediately. The 24 hour phone counseling (links above) will give immediate support.

    Also, I can see that your hospital offers weekly support groups for early stage bc woman as well as a special group for bc patients who are mothers of young children. You have said you are private and not really the support group type, but you are clearly having difficulty coping (crying all day, etc) and you sound somewhat isolated as well (being home with DD all day). I would STRONGLY encourage you to get out to the young moms support group and give it a try. Even if you don't sy ONE WORD, you will gain from being there. I PROMISE. Even if you just gain info from the other moms and the facilitator, it will help you. See link here:

    http://www.virginiahospitalcenter.com/medical/oncology/breast_cancer_support_grp.aspx 

    Additionally, your hospital offers nurse navigator services. See here: http://www.virginiahospitalcenter.com/medical/oncology/patient_navigator.aspx 

    A nurse navigator can be VERY helpful in steering you to resources (like a counselor!) and support services and listening to any concerns you have about your providers (like the woman who was snippy and impatient). This is a free service that will help you very much. I have spoken to the nurse navigator at my cancer center when I had a problem and she was extremely helpful.

    VAmom - I have to say this - you are at the beginning of a big ordeal/adventure. You are going to need a LOT of support especially with a small child and your relationship with SO being unstable. You don't really have the option to keep your privacy even if that is most natural to you. In order to get through this in a strong and healthy way, you are going to get used to being more open (just like you have been on this site, which is a great start!) and let other people in the healthcare community help you.

    I hope you will consider some of the resources I have listed above. All of us love you and are here to support and help you. But ultimately this is up to you.

    In support and sisterhood -
    Amy

  • AnneN
    AnneN Member Posts: 241
    edited February 2010

    1vamom,

    Amy has suggested a lot of good resources at the hospital you're at, and I agree with her that starting there first is a good idea.

    But if you get to the point where you do want to switch providers - I got to that point myself, and here's what I did.

    I went to the National Cancer Institute website and used their list of NCI-accredited cancer centers. The two in my state are the Mayo Clinic and the University of Minnesota. Then I found out from my primary care clinic that Mayo is not in their network, but U of MN is, so they were willing to give me a referral to U of MN. I have been *extremely* happy with the care I get at U of MN. My doctors are very smart, they and their support staffs are unfailingly supportive, and when I have any scans or tests, they give me the results the same day or the next day. (This was the issue that caused me to leave my original clinic - my original clinic let the MRI that first showed my tumor and showed I needed a biopsy sit on someone's desk for *eleven days* until I finally called them and asked when I'd be getting my results - and they said they hadn't been typed up yet!)

    Here is the link where you can search for NCI-accredited cancer centers by state: 

    http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/NCI/cancer-centers 

    I put in Virginia and it says there are two in Virginia, one at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, and one at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond.

    It looks like both of those are a pretty far trek from northern Virginia, so then I put in Maryland and it turns out there are two in Baltimore, one at Johns Hopkins and one at the University of Maryland.

    Johns Hopkins is of course one of the premier medical universities in the country. If your insurance network gives you the option to go there, you might want to consider it.

    The University of Minnesota cancer center is a 45-mile drive from where I live. The clinic that took 11 days just to type up my MRI is just 15 minutes up the road from me. I have been much happier doing the 45-mile drive to be treated by people whom I like and trust who always treat me with respect. The extra hour that's added to every round trip is more than worth it to me.

    Amy's right, ultimately this is up to you, but I just wanted to share this resource because it proved so helpful to me.

    Anne 

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited February 2010

    1VaMom,

    How are you doing today?  I'm thinking about you and hoping you're feeling a bit better.  There are so many great suggestions on this thread - you're definitely not alone!

  • shadow2356
    shadow2356 Member Posts: 393
    edited February 2010

    ((((HUG))))  I have a 2 year old and am a single Mom. Breast cancer really didn't fit in but it decided to come anyway. I am lucky that I have a lot of great friends and neighbors who have helped me. Maybe if you put the word out someone will help. Believe me, people really do want to help. If you live anywhere near me (long Island, NY) your daughter can come over for a play date anytime.

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