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  • kmf
    kmf Member Posts: 79
    edited January 2010

    I asked yesterday about how they know the machine is delivering what it's supposed to deliver.  They told me they have 3 physiscists who test it weekly, monthly and annually -then of course the exrays every 5 days show them that they are hitting the mark on the fields.  They always seem happy to answer my questions there.

    The tech noticed a spot under my arm yesterday that was getting quite red -- asked me if it hurt and I told him not too much, which was true then.  Then when I got home I put my Aquaphor on and skin peeled off from it -- and then it started burning.  I think the location is more problematic than anything -- the lower 1/2 of the pit- so it is subject to being chafed by the arm -- which I now try to hold out a bit so skin doesn't rub on it.  I think I'm going to call and ask about this -- but I see the dr. tomorrow so I may just wait until then.  I didn't realize I was getting radiated that far up into my armpit and I did use Tom's of Maine on that skin.  I'm not using anything now and really wish I hadn't put it there now although the biggest issue is probably just that the armpit gets rubbed and chafed and no air.

    I sit around w/a shirt 1/2 on -- good breast covered, red breast uncovered and arm up -- my husband says hanging that boob out all the time ( dinged up as it is) is putting him in danger of the 4 hr. erections that erectile dysfunction commercials warn about!  :)  Poor guy -- EDS is not his problem, that's for sure!   W/no kids and it being the two of us, I can sit around like that and not worry about it.  Air it out girls!  I'd say start sooner than later!

    By the way, my dr. does not like Aloe, she thinks it is drying to the skin, and I have to admit that has been my experience in the past w/mild sunburns.  Karenanne

  • victoriasecret
    victoriasecret Member Posts: 333
    edited January 2010

    My rads start date was jan 15th I am now half way through 25 in all so far so good .

    much love

    Cheryl

  • victoriasecret
    victoriasecret Member Posts: 333
    edited January 2010

    I am getting "the works"..I counted 5 zaps also they apply a pad like device for the first 4 gel like not sure what it is the tech said to make sure my skin gets the benefit.

    ml C

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited January 2010

    Cheryl,

    Are they including your axilla and clavicle also?

  • RedheadPam
    RedheadPam Member Posts: 98
    edited January 2010

    Cookie - Happy Belated Birthday!

    Debbie, my Rads Onc says only plain, unscented cornstarch for deodorant on the rads side.  I use Tom's on the other side right now but not on the rads side, because while it doesn't have any aluminum or alum in it, it does have a zinc compound and she doesn't want anything containing metals used on the rads side.

     We chatted about the NY Times article. I really trust everyone who works on my treatments, but that are always very careful and thorough.  I know exactly the "routine" for my treatment (one long and two short from the right, one long and one short from the left, and when the wedge should go in and go out), and if anything varies I would definitely speak up! She said that other centers in the area have had overdose incidents, but not the one I go to. Also, they have a team who goes over all the treatment plans in detail, they check my blood weekly and do new xrays weekly to make sure everything is aligned just right. I am on my second set of alignment marks on my chest.  They said that people tend to relax more as the treatments go on, so the marks need to be re-checked and re-drawn at least once a week.

    I'll have tx number 9 today -- Dr says my skin should start to turn a bit pink by the end of the week. By the end of the week I'll be a third of the way done..WooHoo!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2010

    I saw the radiologist yesterday and they said I still have to wait two more weeks until I can start rads. The wound from the seroma is still too large to resume treatments. And I will have to do all the rads even the 4 I already did. I guess my treatments won't start until February. I'm bummed!

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited January 2010

    Kim - No they didn't knock me out to remove the port, but it wasn't bad - quite simply actually. They numbed the area, which actually hurt more (the numbing medicine burned), but once it was numb all I felt was a little pressure.  I talked to the surgeon and the nurse the entire time, laughing and talking about my reconstruction.  Today it stings/hurts more, but that' because the numbing medication has worn off, but again, not too bad.

    Also, my rad likes Lubriderm, Aloe only if it's alcohol free and a new product called Miadern.  They aren't crazy about Aquafor, but said if I wanted to use it I could.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2010

    I can't wait to get my port out, but I am scared too. How did it feel coming out? Any pain beside the injections?

  • DaylilyFan
    DaylilyFan Member Posts: 80
    edited January 2010

    Red-head Pam:  After reading your post, I grabbed my Tom's deodorant and checked the ingredients, but I don't see anything like zinc.  Perhaps mine is a different product/formula.  It's labeled "unscented Tom's natural original deodorant improved with hops."  There were several others on the shelf and this seemed the plainest.  Not that I would argue with your doc!

    And thanks to the posters about the armpit.  I keep forgetting to ask about radiation extending to that area but will put a sticky on my wristband tomorrow. 

  • mom2acat
    mom2acat Member Posts: 556
    edited January 2010

    I made through the halfway mark of the rads to my spine; had #12 today, 8 more to go.

    The fatigue is really getting to me this time; it seems like I am going to bed earlier every night. But the worst is the heartburn; it has caused my acid reflux to flare up. I am on prescription Prilosec regularly anyway, I take one every morning and have been on it a few years now, but my doctor is having me double up on it and take it at night too. He also giving a break from the rads and having me take Friday off, so I'll have a long, rad free weekend.

    And I didn't think of it til after I had left the radiation center today, but I am wondering if perhaps taking a liquid antacid before I leave for my treatment (I leave my house about a half hour before my treatment time) might help, if having that coating in my stomach might mean the radiation would irritate it a little bit.

  • one-L
    one-L Member Posts: 1,110
    edited January 2010

    Debbie, I think my DH would eventually see the new tat and would not believe the story about the techs giving me a fancy one.  But it may be worth a try, after all, if it is already there, what can he do about it?

    I had #5 today and am still doing fine.  I did see the Rad Onc today and my breast is doing fine.  However, my fluid retention is getting worse and he is going to send me to have a Doppler to see if I may have a blood clot.  He doesn't think that I do, but he wants to be sure.  My legs and ankles are so swollen, that my toes hurt.  I do see the Med Onc on Thursday and he said to talk to her about it also.  I have been doing this since my 3rd chemo.  At first I was having trouble getting a deep breath, but don't seem to be having that problem any more.  I think it is just an SE of chemo.  Glad I am through with that.

    I am ready to get my port out also.  I go back to my surgeon on 2/9 and I will talk to him about how the port is to be removed.  There is just so many things to remember to talk to each doctor about.

    I have a mammo on my good breast next week.  It has been over a year since I had my annual mammo and it is time.  There better not be a problem with it, I will be so upset. lol

    My Rad Onc told me that Tom's was fine to use.  They also don't want me to use any lotion or cream without talking to them first.  They gave me some lotion called Remedy Skin Repair Cream.  That is all I am using so far and will wait and see how it does.

    mom2acat, I also have acid reflux and take Nexium everyday.  So far the rads have not cause me to have any heartburn, so that is something else that I can watch for.  Good luck on your rads and hope you get to feeling better.

    Juannelle

  • sophie305
    sophie305 Member Posts: 37
    edited January 2010

    Good evening, ladies.  Watching all the commentaries and too tired to write....not that I can blame it on rads.  Enough said.  Today was #10 with 9 to go.  I started turning pink last Friday and when I had my weekly mtg with Rad Onc and nurse, they armed me with info and tx aids for the SEs to come.  As Rad Onc explained, it takes 6-7 days for the SE from Day 1 to appear which is why we start to see the SEs around this time, and since we know the SEs are cumulative, the peak of SEs will be around one week AFTER the last tx (not the boosts-which are more targeted). 

    So...in addition to the Radiaplex gel for morning and night (until needed during the day also), nurse suggested Aquaphor on the areola and scar which are most sensitive right now and gave me some Mepilex pads (made in Sweden) that can be placed over the most sensitive areas to keep them dry and prevent skin on skin.  Nurse agreed with airing the girls as much as possible also.

    Today I met with the dosimatrist to help me understand the treatment plan.  So...maybe many of you already know this but.....the treatment plan contains a total number of centigrades that is then divided by the number of tx sessions. In my case, the rad onc prescribed 4256 total which is then divided by the 16 sessions (Canadian fraction).  That means 266 cg per day which is then divided into those separate segments of long and short zaps I get each session.  Those separate zaps are calculated based on the measurements taken on that first planning day, and may be different on each side depending on the measurements....which is why I noticed the right side long zap was longer than the left side, and the short zap on the right side is done only after a wedge is placed into the machine to better aim the rad (based on the dosimatrist's plan).  Wow.  So I learned a good deal today...along with a view of 3D images of my breast, heart and lungs as well as the % of rads that hit closest to those organs..which they try to keep very low to prevent long-term SEs to them. 

    I've been very pleased with the overall responsiveness from everyone at the center.  No question is considered too dumb to ask and no one has ever responded with a comment that it was "too complicated" for me to understand as some have experienced.  Comments like that s/b reported!

    To my fellow atomic dogs, this prone position certainly has its benefits in keeping heart/lungs out of the rays but the positioning can be crampy at times...balancing arms, legs and body on the "platform" with your face stuck in the hole!  My arm's been numb a few times even though it's a fairly short duration all told.  Oh well.  There are worse things, aren't there?

    Best wishes to those just beginning the rads journey!

  • tangi-girl
    tangi-girl Member Posts: 13
    edited January 2010

    After my 12th treatment (of 28 + 7 boosts) on Friday, I had a bad case of upset stomach.  It lasted all weekend and to complicate matters, I became quite constipated.  I don't know if this is radiation-related or something else.  I finally became "uncomtipated" today, but my stomach seems to flare up whenever I eat.  I am hungry, but the food just doesn't seem to sit well.  Is or has anyone else experienced anything like this?

    I really enjoy reading all the posts, even though I don't share much.  Treatments for me, seem to be fairly unremarkable.  Just a little pinkness, and bit more of the occasional shooting pains. 

     Thanks to all for sharing.

    Pat H.

  • Sido
    Sido Member Posts: 234
    edited January 2010

    After my treatment, I started having a lot more pain this evening and I noticed I'm red and peeling under my arm.  After lecturing for about 45 minutes tonight I sent the class home because my energy level started dropping.

    Another site discussing the study about deodorant & radiation is here: http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/852571020057CCF685257386006FD56D.  The site I posted before just showed an abstract.  Sorry.

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited January 2010
    Dear Anita, Kayel, C2Will, Yoga4Vick, Sanaisa, ChinaBlue, 
    Did you gals get confirmed start dates yet?
  • chinablue
    chinablue Member Posts: 545
    edited January 2010
    Onty - Thanks for asking.  I have been give a choice of starting rads 2-5 weeks after my last chemo.  My last chemo was yesterday (yeah!).  I am thinking of starting Feb. 19 so I can get a chance to enjoy Feb. break with my family.  
     
    I will start a zometa (pill vs. iv) clinical trial next week.  I am really hoping to get the iv arm and may drop out if I get the pill arm.
     
    I wish all the ladies on this thread a wonderful day. 


  • victoriasecret
    victoriasecret Member Posts: 333
    edited January 2010

    Unkle..yes they are .I am getting it all ... anybody else have the pad ?..have to get the right terminolgy today ..its like a gel goes across my chest(leftside) that stays on for the 1st 4 zaps ,they come in  take it off and 1-2 more  zaps...I will ask again today .  C

  • Twinmom77
    Twinmom77 Member Posts: 303
    edited January 2010

    Two weeks down, five to go!  So far nothing too bad.  Just some fluid under the skin along my scar, which the doctor didn't seem to think was a big deal.  I also have that feeling of having a stitch in your side after you've been running too long/hard.  It's up under the bottom of my ribs.  When I told the doc she said it was nerves from my surgery site.  Um, it's a good eight inches from the pinchy feeling to the surgery site.  Is it really possible it could be nerves after having surgery two months ago?  Just doesn't seem likely to me.

    I asked about the NYT article to, since it had my stomach rolling after I read it.  They at least answered my questions about that.  They test the equipment weekly and I get a weekly ct to make sure they're doing the right area.  I can see the separate leaf pieces actually moving and opening and closing so at least I know that's working correctly!  And they totally understood that it's really scary when you're the one up on that table!

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited January 2010

     Thank you for my birthday greetings!!!

    what's up to all my dogs?

    (how many years have I been waiting to write that)

    sad to report yesterday was a DISASTER

    (first of all there is this very cranky lady I see at rads every day I have nicknamed Cancer-zilla.)

    OK so remember my tiny tattoo...I was supposed to mark it every day, but yesterday I forgot to because I had a meeting to do volunteer work for a bc charity.

    So when I got to my appointment, they had to mark me, and did it in the wrong spot.

    They were going to put some ink on me, but once they realized they had made the error they gave me a new bigger tattoo :(

    All because I forgot to mark myself, because I was helping a bc charity. ARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

    (not to mention my radiation was off by a tad)

    and to add insult to injury, they did this while cancer-zilla was 3 feet away talking about her poodle.

    She kept asking what's wrong, what's going on, and it just added to her over the top anxiety.

    Plus my hubby is weird about the tatts.

    Listen I am being a total baby, when I think about the lost breasts and lives I have NOTHING to complain about,.

    But I was almost done, and all I needed to to was mark myself with a sharpie in the morning, and I forgot, and now my clevage has two very visable tatts.

    Anyhow have status check today and will try to get to the bottom of how many boosts.

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited January 2010

    China,

    Congrats on finishing the chemo!!!

    The Clodronate pill has been proven to the same extent that Zometa IV has been proven. Whether one is better than the other is not yet known. Some patient's prefer pills and some prefer IV. That said, I'd suggest you inform the doc upfront that you prefer IV. If you still get randmomized to pill, you can always drop out.

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited January 2010

    Cookie,

    One doggie reporting - woof woof - ok today !

  • weety
    weety Member Posts: 1,163
    edited January 2010

    victoriasecret,

    I had my first treatment yesterday and they used that pad thingy on me, too.  Mine was on for the whole treatment.  They told me it was a bolus (spelling) and it is used over the chest when a women has had a masectomy.  She didn't go into anymore details than that.  I guess we'll have to research more ourselves.  Anyone out there know what a bolus is???

  • Sweetlander
    Sweetlander Member Posts: 10
    edited January 2010

    Hi,

    Just started face up, 25 doses to chest wall only, 20 to go. I refused the clavicle/axilla radiation based on the fact that no nodes were found to be affected.So far I'm finding the daily regimen irritating beyond belief. It seems that every time I feel like life is getting back to normal, something else interrupts the flow. I'm not complaining, just saying. Otherwise it's fine, though exposing my scarred right side to freshly graduated radiation technologists is a little more intimacy than I was willing to entertain with perfect strangers. Otherwise, health care has been excellent. I read today that I should consider my condition chronic. This is supposed to help me accept the interminable therapies and their attendant side effects. It helped...a little. I guess I"m still processing this incredibly difficult to accept diagnosis. That's it for now. Cheers!

  • Sweetlander
    Sweetlander Member Posts: 10
    edited January 2010

    Hi there, How do I add this to the list started by Unklezwife? Sweetlander- Jan 20 No No supine 25

  • Sweetlander
    Sweetlander Member Posts: 10
    edited January 2010

    Sweetlander- No No supine 25

  • unklezwifeonty
    unklezwifeonty Member Posts: 1,710
    edited January 2010

    SweetLander,

    Welcome. I added you to the OP.

    Regards,

  • Scoobydoo
    Scoobydoo Member Posts: 499
    edited January 2010

    Yesterday I had my mapping done.  Looks like 2/10 will be start date.  Ugh.  I have to wait a full two weeks before I can start. 

    Had my port removed yesterday.  Those shots to numb the area were incredibly painful.  I cried right there on that table.  The nurses were wonderful and held my hand through that part.  After that was fine.  I am sore today and taking pain meds. 

    Anita

  • c2will
    c2will Member Posts: 91
    edited January 2010

    Onty - no date yet, waiting on the results of the Oncotype to see if chemo is part of the plan.  (This is what happens when you can't get appointments in the order that you want!)

    At this point it will be a Feb. start.

  • weety
    weety Member Posts: 1,163
    edited January 2010

    Still researching a "bolus."  I found an old post by ccbaby.  I hope she doesn't mind that I'm copying and pasting her explanation. It makes sense, then that they would use it for women with a mastectomy.

    ccbaby wrote:

     A bolus is a rubbery material, is used to 'fool' the radiation beam so it will deposit the maximum dose on the skin surface instead of a fraction of an inch deeper, as it would otherwise. They used a bolus on me too, but every 4th day would remove it.

  • catwrangler
    catwrangler Member Posts: 23
    edited January 2010

    Yesterday was treatment 21, and today is number 22.  I only have 6 more of the full breast treatments left, and then I will do the boosts, which is great as things are getting a little crazy.  The skin under my arm has darkened enough that they have to use a spotlight each time to see the tattoo, and then re-mark it before each session.  I am using a mediplex lite pad over the peeling area under my breast, and if I use too much aquaphor, it slides around rather than staying fixed.  I'm afraid I'm going to reach for something one of these days, and it's just going to slide out and *plop* there on the floor.  Grocery shopping isn't supposed to be that tramatic.

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