Starting Chemo in June 2005

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  • Pepe1
    Pepe1 Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2005

    Hi, I've been reading the posts , but I haven't written in because I've had trouble trying to get in. Maybe this will work. Anyway, I started my TAC treatments in June and I just finished my 4th, with two more to go. After my first treatment I had the awful metal taste and read that if you drink ICE water and chew on ICE chips during the treatment it does something to the blood vessels. I tried it and it WORKS!! I haven't had the awful metal or cardboard taste since. I don't know if it will work with all kinds of chemo, but it worked with mine. Also, I was told the same thing helps keep away mouth sores. I haven't had any of those either and I also brush after each meal and rinse with a salt water solution. Just in case anyone had problems in that area. I believe I'm the only one doing the TAC 6/3, as everyone else has been talking about leaving the A/C behind and now starting the Taxol. Is anyone else doing TAC? Thanks...

  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited August 2005
    I never really get a metallic taste...more of a taste like something crawled into my mouth and died there! I just hope and pray my mouth doesn't smell as bad as it sometimes tastes! I have tried adding lemon to things, chewing lemon, ice pops, etc. Helps a bit, but the taste just seems to have a way of staying until it's ready to move on! Comes and goes with me. I thought I was getting thrush again this week, but so far my tongue is ok. Have tried different mouthwashes, etc. The only thing that seems to make it better for a while is eating or drinking something with a strong flavor. I think that is why I have developed an addiction to cranberry juice (I mix it with pear or guava juice).

    Liz
  • RebeccaH
    RebeccaH Member Posts: 72
    edited August 2005
    Happy Dance...Happy Dance....I'm done with A/C...feel like crap, but I'm done with A/C....Yippee...

    My onc told me he was confident that I'd handle T better than A/C...because of my attitude....hope it's true.

    The couch is calling me....
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited August 2005
    CONGRATULATIONS REBECCA! That's great to hear...halfway through is wonderful. I think I'm going to like the three week instead of the two week a lot better. Gives you more time to feel decent! I think I will probably start Taxotere on 8/25. Will know for sure tomorrow when I see onc.

    Liz
  • kimBe
    kimBe Member Posts: 101
    edited August 2005
    So happy to see your post Brenda--great news. I just got home from AC#6 so I am now done with that. I have a feeling I will do better than last time and then on to Taxol (I thought I was on to Taxotere, but will have Taxol weekly x12). I was very ready to get out of the office today and it seemed like it took forever, Taxol takes less time for the injection right? I am pretty tried tonight but did sleep through the entire night last night which was great. Have a good weekend everyone....hard to believe our summer is on the down hill side.
    KimB
  • cnmpam
    cnmpam Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2005
    I am sure that we would all have a great time if we saw each other in person...but seeing "Watson" in person today was an absolute joy. Ya'll she is so fun and bubbly, one would never know she is going through chemo! I wish you could all meet her! It was a healing time for me..Thanks Watson.
    Pam
  • minerva
    minerva Member Posts: 36
    edited August 2005
    Thanks everyone on the input concerning the nasty taste. I will try the cranberry juice. I read somewhere that if you drank a little of fruit juice before you ate it would wake up your taste buds and food wouldn't all taste like cardboard. The only thing that I have found lately that has actually tasted good was ceasar salad! So guess what I eat.

    Kimbe - I did the Taxol 12 weeks and it was not bad at all. I felt tired sometimes but I didn't have any nausea. Hope it goes well for you.

    Thanks again.
  • Watson
    Watson Member Posts: 1,490
    edited August 2005
    The above annnouncement was paid by the Watson for Chemo Queen committee. lol

    I thorouhly enjoyed our lunch. Pam is a great brave lady with beautiful children heading to fabulous schools. We plan on meeting up regularly.

    Pam, i sat there and ate that whole sandwhich while gettin chemo. i can't figure out why i gaining weight. lol





    chemo is still going okay. my ambien has hit and i'm fading fast. I'll try to get a Houston/Texas area group together to meet. The chat room is having a meet in St. Louis on Sept 17and 18. thye've got over 25 people confirmed so far. i won't be able to go due to chemo and family stuff.

    Scout, you live in St Louis, huh?



    Good night! i guess I'll take a preemptive zofran for tonite. then wait and see for tomorrow.
  • Fi_in_oz
    Fi_in_oz Member Posts: 49
    edited August 2005
    hurrayyyy Brenda, such a relief, excellent feeling afterwards though, like walking on air for a few minutes I think is how I described getting the good news.

    Watson...oh watson... you are not alone dear watson, I have #4 next week of A/C, someone is still suffering it with you.

    I did a little survey today, impromptu but interesting. It was 9 degrees C here today, so I went out with a nice hat on after my doc appointment to pick up some fathers day presents for my son to give his dad, cause I won't be feeling like doing it between now and then, this was the one chance of him getting anything decent.

    At the shopping centre everyone kept staring at me,.... absolutely staring like I've not experienced before (centre isn't in my home town)...it made me rather upset, well angry actually. I threw the lovely hat in the car in disgust and thought stuff it (polite translation) I'll give them something to stare about.
    At the next centre I went to, BALD, no one stared,... a sales assistant asked me if my head was cold,.. so I shared with her what was going on, and we both agreed, the hat was creating a "mystery"... BALD they have their answer and look away.. nothing to ponder, no arguement that woman's bald. .... anyway.. thought I'd share, in the end I was laughing.

    Oh and the oncologist says.... the radiotherapy doctor indeed knows naught about chemo, but she has reviewed the benefit of taxol for me to only 3-4%, I'll make that decision in November after I'm done with radiotherapy.

    best wishes to all....
    Fi
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited August 2005
    Watson...you can count on my vote for Chemo Queen. If you get a group together for Houston, I may be able to go depending on the timing. My 2 year old granddaughter is in the Houston area, so that would certainly be an incentive for me! My grandson is in Austin and we do try to get to Texas at least once a year even though that's no where near enough grandkid time!

    Minerva, I just stumbled on to the cranberry juice (had bought some when I had a UTI after surgery) and now I crave it. Mixing it with a sweeter fruit nectar like the guava or pear seems to reduce the acidity for me. It is pretty nice when something tastes like it's supposed to! Cardboard just isn't very appealing!

    Liz
  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited August 2005
    Yep, I think Taxol's definitely harder than AC for me. It's bad enough just feeling "blah", but when you add stabbing pains to the legs and feet to it - well, it just sucks! But, the good thing is that I haven't felt anything in my hands. And today, it seems to be mostly past. If this is the regular pattern of treatment, I guess it's not terrible, as long as there's a good reason to do it (um, like killing cancer and upping my prognosis!) It really does take five days for a treatment, though. One whole day at the clinic, and four days to recover.

    Kim, maybe your Taxol infusion will be shorter because you are doing weekly, and therefore less per dose, but my infusion took four hours! First, they give premeds, then wait a half hour, then the actual infusion was an additional three hours. I had to be at the Clinic at 10 for blood testing, then onc. appt., then wait for chemo, we didn't get out until past 5. Then the drive home in rush hour traffic!
  • Watson
    Watson Member Posts: 1,490
    edited August 2005
    Does everyone's taxol or taxotere take that long? I won't be on it for a while yet, but jeezo.
    I asked my chemo nurse about that last time and she said the taxotere would only take an hour. I take premeds the day before and after? I think she said something like that. Oh well, the things we endure.
  • danahollis
    danahollis Member Posts: 161
    edited August 2005
    Happy Friday Junies!

    Watson... yep, my Taxol treatment took that long. It was just as Brenda said. It makes for a long day! That Benedryl that they premed with just wiped me out also... so make sure you have a driver!

    Fi... very cute story! You are very brave to try that! I'm too shy to leave my house "naked"... Yesterday... for the first time I actually cleaned my house "naked"... LOL!

    Anyway... sounds like we are all doing ok. I'm happy to see the chatter here.

    Pam & Watson... how cool you got to have lunch together! That's so neat!

    Well, gotta go...

    HUGS!
  • 2frogs1princess
    2frogs1princess Member Posts: 120
    edited August 2005
    Hello all~
    Well, I was supposed to get the 4th A/C yesterday because it was held last week due to low neutrophil count of 0.7. Yesterday my count was 0.15! Way lower than last week. My onc asked me "Are you sure you gave yourself the Neulasta?" I'm sure. So, she's afraid to give me #4. She said if #3 did this to my counts, she worried what #4 will do. We're moving on to Taxol/Herceptin next week. I give myself Neupogen injections every other day now for four shots total. Thursday I go, get blood drawn, and hopefully get Taxol/Herceptin #1 if my counts are up. I have mixed emotions about not getting #4 A/C. I mean, that stuff is so wicked, and I feel horrible for days, but if it is going to kill any cancer and prevent it from coming back I want all I can get. Onc. says it could do more harm than good. So, I trust her and am following her lead. She really wants to get me started on the Herceptin without any more delays. I will take the taxol every other week for four treatments. They told me the taxol takes three hours not counting pre-meds and Herceptin. I think I will be there for around 5-6 hours the first time. Yippee!
    Brenda- Great news! I also had a seroma develop after my surgery and I can empathize with the fear you had. I didn't want to tell anyone but my onc. until I knew what we were dealing with. Luckily I had a ultrasound and it showed to be a seroma. It's gone now. Whew!
    I got home yesterday from picking kids up at the daycare and the baby felt warm. Took his temp- 102! Yikes! Luckily, my mom lives close and took him home with her. Don't know what he's got, I just know I couln't be around him with my counts so low. It's so hard with little ones.

    So long for now from your fellow winking pirate,
    ~Mindy~
  • minerva
    minerva Member Posts: 36
    edited August 2005
    Watson - When I did my Taxol, the premeds took 1/2 hour and the Taxol only took one hour. The total time for me was 2 1/2 hours. My onc said that the Taxol could be infused for one hour. At the beginning the nurse wasn't sure but she verified with the onc. And I agree with Dana - take a driver, the benedryl knocked me for a loop.
    I envy you ladies that can meet and talk. I live in a small town in Wyoming and there aren't even in support groups here. My only contact with other ladies is on this site.. Thank God!

    Fi in OZ - your ARE a brave woman. I have not shaved my head yet. I have 25 hairs left (and hanging on to every last one) and can't make my self go out with out my wig or hats. I applaud you!!

    I hope everyone has a better week and can start to feel better.
    Bye bye
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited August 2005
    I saw my onc today and set up my taxotere schedule. He gave me a prescription for decadron to take the day before, the day of and the day after. Was told infusion would take an hour. My schedule shows me being there for an hour and a half...I assume the extra half hour is for premeds, blood work, flushing the port, etc. Doctor went over the possible side effects of Taxotere and the aching, etc. combined with the effects of the Neulasta. I don't like doing any of this stuff, but willing to do anything that will help kill the beast! He is also going to set up a consultation with the radiologist so I can get information on radiation procedures. He did mention that the area where the cancer spread in my lymph nodes around the surgery area is a lot less swollen and is softer...so it looks like the A/C is doing it's job! After I finish the Taxotere, he will send me for PET/CT scans so we'll have a better idea of what is going on.

    Mindy...I am sure you were very disappointed in not being able to finish the A/C, but good news that you will be moving ahead with the next treatment. Why do you have to give yourself the shots? I get mine the morning after treatment at the doctor's office. You are a brave woman to be able to give yourself shots. I can't look when I get a needle, so that would be messy for me!

    Liz
  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited August 2005
    I want to thank all of you for your encouragement while I was so stressed out the last couple of days. My husband only says "You're gonna be alright" and of course, he believes it, but it's so good to have the connection with you ladies that can empathize first hand.

    I've been so exhausted! My hemoglobin is down to 10.3, and 12 is low, but onc said it wasn't low enough to warrant a shot of Aranesp. Supposedly Taxol is not as hard on the counts, so maybe he thinks it's ok since I had first Taxol it will improve. I can't ever remember being so freakin' tired! I walked up the stairs and then had to sit down. I already missed Jazzercise Tuesday and Thursday night, and right now I can't see me going tomorrow morning, either. I was supposed to do an art show on Sunday, and I'm not doing that either. I do have my biggest shows of the season left between now and the end of chemo, so I hope I can get some energy back!

    Liz, PM your taxotere schedule to me so I can put it on the calendar. Has anyone gone to check the calendar? Does it work?

    Brenda
  • kimBe
    kimBe Member Posts: 101
    edited August 2005
    Brenda-I did go you your calendar and it looked great. I start weekly Taxol on 0825. Scheduled for approximatley 1 hour (RN explained that it takes less time if you are weekly). So far so good after #6, tomorrow is the day I usually feel yucky, but feel much better today than I did 2 weeks ago.
    KimB
  • cnmpam
    cnmpam Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2005
    Hey Watson...my Taxotere takes an hour. I get no other meds...no pre-meds. I take steriods for three days, starting 24 hours before. My first infusion of the taxotere took about 2 hours because they wanted to give it slowly in case of reaction. But the rest are one hour.
    No sweat...I can come be with you if you need me...but I walk to my infusion and walk back. You will do fine I am sure.
    Now, you can re-assure me about the FEC!
    Pam
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited August 2005
    Brenda...I sent you my dates by PM. I'm feeling like I am on vacation since I don't have to go back until 8/25, but am getting apprehensive about the Taxotere. The two parts about the A/C that were the worst for me were the side effects of the decadron and neulasta. I was very fortunate that the other side effects were a lot more manageable for me. The neulasta combined with the Taxotere sounds like a double whammy and having to take decadron for three days straight doesn't sound very good at all. I guess there is no point in worrying about it until I see how I react. I'm sure my doctor will give me whatever I need to keep the side effects under control, and I don't know why I'm wasting my time worrying about it. I can handle feeling miserable, but the thought of all that joint and bone pain along with no sleep on the decadron kept me up last night. I think I will try to take my own advice for a change and take this day by day and try to enjoy my extra week of freedom!

    Liz
  • Watson
    Watson Member Posts: 1,490
    edited August 2005
    Hey Junebugs,

    Thanks for the feedback on Taxotere infusion time. It seems once again, we're all different!

    Pam, I'm sure you'll do fine on the FEC. I"ll come hold your hand! I'll be in the area again for AC #4 on Sept 1st if you wanna repeat the lunch experience.

    Brenda, how do you access the caldendar? I PM'd you before with my schedule. I'm sure I missed how to view it.

    I'm on day three after AC #3. Doing okay so far. Today and tomorrow are usually my 'off' days, but so far so good. I plan to just lay around and take up space today. I still didn't take any anti nausea meds other than what was in my IV. I guess I'll need to sell my Zofran on ebay! lol You don't need to take anti nausea on Taxotere do you?

    Off to go watch some bad cable TV movies. How would we get through chemo without them?

    Take care,
  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited August 2005

    Kim - I set your taxol up on the calendar as a weekly occurrance, but I need an end date. Otherwise, You'll just have to keep on getting it ad infinitum!

  • Jenster
    Jenster Member Posts: 267
    edited August 2005
    Liz - I start Taxotere on 8/25, also. I'm trying not to be apprehensive about it, but sometimes... I didn't have much of a problem with A/C either so I keep thinking I'm going to have all the side effects with T. Waste of time and energy - I know. It's the whole unknown that bothers me the most. Once I know what I have to handle, then I'm usually okay. I guess we'll see.

    Brenda - how do you access the calendar? I'm sure you told us, but some of us (Watson and myself - lol) don't know what to do. HELP!!

    I'm off to Hope, Arkansas, home of the world's best watermelons (if you ask them) to get some delicious, sweet watermelon. I'm just so darned excited to get out of the house, even if it's too hot to be outside!!!

    Hope you all have a great Saturday!!
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited August 2005
    Jenster...we will have to compare notes after the 25th! I'm hoping that even if I find the T to be harder than the AC that at least with the three week schedule...will have more time feeling "normal".

    Going off to the mall do do some "retail therapy" Too hot to do anything outdoors today. Have a couple of movies lined up for tonight's entertainment.

    Have a good day everyone,
    Liz
  • danahollis
    danahollis Member Posts: 161
    edited August 2005
    Happy Saturday Junies!

    Ok... I think I've heard of people having eyesight issues due to Taxol. Anyone else hear of that??? No Surrender?

    The last few days my eyes have been so blurry at times. They've been watery since AC. It's not going to stop me from doing anything, but it's just a tad annoying and something I noticed.

    HUGS!
    Dana
  • saleboat
    saleboat Member Posts: 71
    edited August 2005
    Hi everyone! I survived my first Taxol & Herceptin--geeesh-- it took forever-- five hours in the treatment room! The benadryl knocked me on my butt-- hopefully they can cut back on that because me no likey! I like to keep my sense of control, however futile when hooked up to an IV.

    PePe-- welcome to the boards, glad you found us.

    Rebecca-- congrats on finishing A/C-- good riddance!

    Brenda-- what a wild ride you've had. Glad it is over and that you can put that worry out of your mind. Our bodies have such surprises for us, and I imagine that we are all going to go through something like that.

    Mindy-- sorry to hear of your A/C frustration. I can imagine the mixed emotions. Can your Onc mix something else in your T&H cocktail? I know that some women who can't tolerate A/C, or who have had A/C for a prior cancer get Carboplatin as part of their T&H. Maybe something worth mentioning to your Onc for peace of mind. Also-- hope that little one is feeling better!

    Dana-- my eyesight has seemed more blurry from about A/C #2. I think it is because everything is a bit dryer, eyes included. I'm going to wait until after the chemo wraps up to push the alarm bells. But still, it is annoying.

    For those with Decadron fears re: Taxol. My Onc only gave me Decadron via IV before my Taxol & Herceptin cocktail. I don't have to take it for the two days after, as I did with the A/C. Maybe it is different for those who are taking Taxotere-- I'm doing Taxol dose dense, so that may be the difference.

    Have a great weekend everyone!

    Jen
  • LizFL
    LizFL Member Posts: 377
    edited August 2005
    Jen (Saleboat)...that's weird...I got the decadron in the IV for the AC, but by pill for the T. I did the AC dose dense, so maybe they only do it with that?

    Funny about the blurry vision...mine's been a bit off but I thought it had something to do with the way my glasses sit a bit differently with a wig on!

    Liz
  • minerva
    minerva Member Posts: 36
    edited August 2005
    Brenda - could I please get involved with the calendar?

    Pam - I am also doing the FEC, I have not had any pain yet just the blasted nausea. Hope it goes well for you.
  • cnmpam
    cnmpam Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2005
    Dana-I have had some blurred vision on the Taxotere only in the first week after each infusion. I have read several places it is normal and will be OK after chemo.

    Minerva-I have one more Taxotere (as well as one more course of Xeloda, which is 5FU by mouth) this next Thursday and I will be done with that . Then on to the FEC. I have had no nausea with the Taxotere or the Xeloda. So the FEC causes nausea? Do you take zofran? Are you nauseated more than the first week? With the Taxotere I really feel very normal the second and third week. Tired but normal.
    Pam
  • cnmpam
    cnmpam Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2005
    Saleboat, I have a question about NYC. My son is going to Juilliard this next year. I thought it was better if I did not take him up there because of the "germs". So it kills me that he is flying up with his step dad to get him settled. But I have promised him I will be there asap to see him perform etc. My question is....how in the world do you ride the subway, just walk in the city...do you wear gloves, a mask? Do people doing chemo there have restrictions that we don't get told in the "normal" places? I have been to NYC many, many times I just can't imagine doing it while on chemo. I would sure appreciate your input.
    Pam

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