Welp, crappy insurance = no mastectomy for me... can't afford it

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  • desdemona222b
    desdemona222b Member Posts: 776
    edited January 2010

    Julia -

    I'm so sorry you've been going through all this.  Could you not just get a skin-sparing mastectomy for now and do reconstruction later - perhaps when you get better insurance or more money saved?  Cancer advocacy groups advertise in the Cancer magazines some of the oncologists carry in their offices.  Have you talked to your surgeon's insurance person to see if they can steer you toward a place where you could get some assistance?  Also, contact the Susan G. Koman foundation - they're supposed to be there for the underinsured too.

    Keep the faith, Julia!

  • carol1949
    carol1949 Member Posts: 562
    edited January 2010

    I'm not sure what hospital or Dr. you are talking about, but for me, I had tx while living in Jax, FL.  If I had of gone to Mayo Clinic, my insurance would only pay 60%, but by choosing another hospital and Dr., It paid 90%.  I did have minimal co pays for chemo, and of course they do add up.  There are many programs to help those who need financial assistance for everything from treatment, to helping with mortgage payments, etc.  Check with the Catholic Family services, the social worker at the hospital, Dr., etc.  I am now without insurance since my husband's company closed, but the hospital provided me with many resources for financial help.

    As for the Canadian system, we really don't know much about it.  However, they do, I believe pay for coverage through their taxes.  I think most agree that we do need changes in out health care, but so many people are just afraid of change.

    Meanwhile,Crunchy.... do lots of research in the alternative approaches you can add to whatever you decide to do.  I know, personally a few women who can't afford to take the drugs they are prescribed and the doctors provide it to them through special programs.  I don't know your age, but in my new area, we have senior programs where I can go sign up and pay an escalating scale according to what one can afford.  It is with Dr.'s who donate their time and also retired dr.s in the area.  

    Best wishes in whatever you do, but do ask for some help.

    Hugs,

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited January 2010

    Let's not make this a healthcare/insurance issue (what's not available and should be, what Crunchy should have/have not done...) but find a solution for Crunchy.  About a year ago I researched some programs for a woman in Georgia -- seems like the gov't has some good ones.  Crunchy -- get the social worker at your hospital working for you and see if there's some financial aid for you.  It is ridiculous to ask someone to cough up several thousand dollars up front -- it isn't realistic for most.  Perhaps the financial department at the hospital can set up a payment plan.  If you have do, dump the cost on a credit card for now and then get a bank loan at a much lower rate to pay it off.  No matter what, get the best treatment that is recommended for your particular situation.  Hang in there Crunchy -- it will get sorted out.  Hugs,

    Elizabeth

  • WendyInCalif
    WendyInCalif Member Posts: 172
    edited January 2010

    This is just ridiculous and heartbreaking at the same time.  My situation is similar in that I lost insurance (job loss), could not pay Cobra (450.00) month.  I now have a job, just received insurance with employer at 500.00 a month for a group plan and they will not treat preexisting conditions for one year.  I then have a 1,000 deductible.  So, I am trying to figure out how I am going to be seen as I have not been for 1 year and need to be badly.  I have symptoms that I need to be reassured aren't mets and you know what that is like.  I am terrified.

     This is what I had hoped Obama care would do.  The way I see it, I had health insurance for over 30 years many which were free of any medical care in a serious fashion.  That should balance out the years when I do need care. 

    I now must check to see what the state of California offers a BC cancer patient.  I think I am eligible under Every Woman Counts (over age 50 as that just changed.). 

    The stress of this economy and the situation in this country (jobs, rising prices, fees everywhere) makes it so hard to do this alone. 

  • goldenlotus
    goldenlotus Member Posts: 45
    edited January 2010

    I'm sorry you are having such difficulty.  somebody said "pay the minimum $1/mo or whatever"  that is an option and one that is perfectly legit 

    As for "Obamacare"  I've lived in both systems, the European Socialised Medicine system, where for non urgent matters, you have to wait, and the US healthcare system, where you still have to wait!  I don't have the luxury of healthcare through an employer, we pay our own healthcare - for our family of 4, it costs us $1,600/mo of our own $..... for an HMO!  Each year, it increases.  When we took this policy in 2003, we were paying $550/mo  we're now stuck into this plan, my dh had a heart attack and now I'm facing whatever I'm facing!  Give me socialised medicine anyday, I'll sneeze into my sleeve.

  • CoolBreeze
    CoolBreeze Member Posts: 4,668
    edited January 2010

    I don't know what your credit is like, but you might look into a medical credit card, such as CareCredit.  Make sure your hospital takes it.  You can get an introductory rate with18 months no interest.  When people examine their lifestyles, they usually figure out that there is still fat to cut to make those payments.

    I have an HMO and my cancer treatment (mastectomy, chemo, recon, herceptin) has been covered 100% yet I've still had copays and extra expenses totalling a couple thou.  I've spent almost $100.00 this month on prescriptions and my copay for them is $5.00. (One is $30.00)

    Cancer isn't free. Health is priceless.

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited January 2010

    Crunchy - I am so happy to hear that you are looking at all your options and making the best decision for YOU!   I know exactly where you were emotionally when you started this tread since I had the same knee jerk reaction when I went in for my treatment on Jan 4th and was advised of the provisional changes from co-pay to 20% co-insurance...I FREAKED OUT!  Once I had calmed down and reviewed the policy terms again (I was in chemo when the re-enrollment came out...can I blame chemo brain?) I was able to make better decisions and it looks like you are on your way well.

    Amy - thank you for posting about the difference in the HMO co-pay vs co-insurance with max out of pocket...I would have actually SAVED money last year on this plan because I was seeing a Dr. 2-3 times a week for treatments for four months (chemo/PS/BS/PT)  and the co-pays alone were $75 - $125 a week - that was after I met deductible and out of pocket maximum.     

    Hugs!

  • CrunchyPoodleMama
    CrunchyPoodleMama Member Posts: 1,220
    edited January 2010

    Thank you again for the great additional suggestions. I'm really trying to make lemonade out of lemons and brainstorming what other medical procedures I can have in 2010 that I won't have to pay for once the $4,300 out-of-pocket is met. My first thought was, hmm, if dh can get me pregnant by March, that'll be 9 months of free doctor visits and freeeeeee labor and delivery! My lifelong foot deformity that I never bothered getting operated on? Heck, may as well do it if it's FREEEEE!!!! I'm kinda liking this out-of-pocket yearly maximum, all of a sudden! 

    On a serious note, $4,300 is a lot to pay out of pocket for me right now, but we'll figure out how to make it happen, between asking the hospital for a payment plan, possibly getting a medical credit card (thank you, Ann - I'd never even heard of that!) etc. I'm thinking of having a "Help Me Pay For My Mastectomy" sale with my business (LOL! okay, so maybe I shouldn't call it that). Thanks to all of you, I know I have some options. $4,300 is not the end of the world. I'm thankful that my hubby has insurance at all and that we're not looking at $43,000. Lemonade! Smile

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2010

      That a girl, now you are thinking the right way. I will take a big glass of that lemonade you are making.

         We have a  $350 deductible, $5,500 out of pocket maximum and believe me, it was not hard to hit it at all last year what with all the scans, tests and chemo...reached it by April.   I took out a new credit card with a o% interest rate for the first 6 months...didn't get it paid off in 6 months, but just kept putting anything extra I had on it and by Dec. 30 had it paid off.  My onco's office figures out what you have to pay each month, but they were understanding if I sometimes paid less. Once we hit it, I had no office copays with any of my doctors or Rxs and squeezed in everything I could, including new scans in by Dec.31, so they were covered. I even asked them to do a cell search and a few other things that I knew were expensive tests.  Now it's another year with another deductible and max out of pocket to meet, but the good side of that is I am still here.  I hate cancer and I hate having to deal with bills and insurance, but it beats the alternative.  I will keep you in my prayers. 

  • sweatyspice
    sweatyspice Member Posts: 922
    edited January 2010

    Well Crunch, it looks like you've now read your policy and gotten your mind right.  I'm glad.

    Here's the website for the credit card Ann mentioned.  Your providers may or may not accept it - but your PS is probably the one most likely to do so.  http://www.carecredit.com/ 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2010

    Julia, Definately second or third the idea of immediately contacting the hospital (or whatever) social worker. And get to your local social services office if you can. Lastly, they cannot get blood out of a turnip-if you feel you need the surgery, try to go for it! Prayers with you. SV

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited January 2010

    I totally understand. After a year of my last lumpectomy, I am still settling the bill with the hospital. Medical bills, even when they are reduced, take a toll on your budget. The doctors and everyone rushes you through the whole procedure without thought of how you are going to pay for the services. I remember how I asked the doctors on every test they ordered if I needed it and how much it cost.I only paid for a lumpectomy. I can't imagine what financial shape I would be in right now if I had more than surgery.

    After my first bc dx surgeon's appoointment, I was told (due to size and grade) that I might need a mx, rads, or tx. Immediately, I checked out the cost for surgery, reconstruction and treatment and knew that it was beyond my means to afford it.I had to pay $1300 just for a rad consultation. I also researched the treatments and side affects. Initially there was so much to take in. Fiances was a deterrent to treatment, but further research on the treatment and side affects gave me resolve about it all.

    With all that said, I will say that it is a necessary to have the dcis removed. Hospitals do work with you. For about a year, I paid only $25 a month to each medical bill which added up, but I am so far cancer free. I now have coverage and if I have another recurrence I will do a mx with reconstruction...that is my preference over treatment...even with insurence.

  • Sue-61
    Sue-61 Member Posts: 599
    edited January 2010

    I have to jump in here! IF you medical costs for the year exceed 7.5% of your income, you can claim them on your taxes. Not sure how to figure out how much you get back but itemize your costs (including what you are paying for the health insurance premiums) and see what you come up with. You can also claim travel, mileage, tolls and parking.  I keep records of everything as my MDs are 100 mi round trip and it is usually $8 to park.

    I, last yr, had $1500 ded and $3500 out of pocket. The $1500 was included in the $3500; it was not an additional charge.

    Crunchy, I'm telling you the best way to wade through all of this mess is to call your insurance company and ask for an oncology case manager. Or a regular case manager, as they are RNs and can help you slog thru all of this. And they should know about community resources. Here in MA we have a medicaid plan called CommonHealth that you can purchase cheaply, even as a secondary insurance. Or so it used to be. The laws change so much who the heck can keep pace with them.

    At one of the local medical centers here , they have a "prompt pay discount." Hey, any money in my pocket is better than in theirs! I called the hospitals in Boston where I was treated and they have no such thing. But it never hurts to ask. 

    Good luck with all of this and your treatment, Sue 

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited January 2010

    Crunchy - you may have been teasing but you were absolutely right about doing everything that is medically needed once you reach your out of pocket max.

    Last year, in July, I told my husband he had reached his max and WHATEVER he needed, he had to do it prior to year end. And  he did. (this is a man who procrastinates on medical stuff). He had a hernia fixed, did a sleep study he needed (EXPENSIVE ordinarily!), got a CPAP machine (for apnea) compeletely free, and saw a nephrologist. I think he may have had an ankle xray and a cortisone shot in it as well. Yeah, he did.   He also refilled all meds for 90 days in Dec so he has them for first quarter.  You have to think strategically.

    For me there was nothing else I could do - my tx is on schedule and that's the way it is. 
    We now have a new insurance plan for JANUARY ONLY and then will go on the plan we will be staying on on 2/1. (Long story)   So we agreed that we woulld have NO bills in Jan b/c they would all be out of pocket and then we'd have to do our out of pocket AGAIN on the new coverage.

    I asked my doc if I could postpone my Herceptin this month and he agreed. (It is about $6k and I would have had to pay almost all of it as my deductible for Jan and then do it AGAIN in Feb!.)  So i had herceptin on 12/29 under my old plan and will start up again on 2/4 on my new plan.

    You have to be sort of strategic about this to get the most for your money.

    Hope this helps.

    A.

  • robinlbe
    robinlbe Member Posts: 585
    edited January 2010

    I'm sort of in the same boat....I was diagnosed Nov. 6, 2009.  I had two surgeries in November and quickly met our deductible and just about had met our out-of-pocket.  I had to have a bilateral, and was hoping to get that in before the end of the calendar year....ah, but it didn't happen.  The operating rooms were already booked up.  So, when did it get scheduled???  January 6th!!!!  Just in time to start the new year off.

    $1000 deductible....$3500 out-of-pocket, and we still have to pay our co-pays!!  So, each month I pay a little bit to each medical group.  And yes, the hospital DID call the day before my surgery telling me what was going to be our part, and yes, the hospital DID ask me the day of my surgery if I brought in my payment.....and NO, I did not bring in anything....and YES, I continue to make monthly payments.....and no, they are not charging me interest on all of this.

    I have a son in college and a daughter who will be going to college in a little over a year, so money is tight, to say the least.  (and I have a 12 y.o., too!) My getting cancer was not in the plan (duh..obviously!), and this certainly was not good timing to say the least....

    But, I have found in the past (when my daughter was born nearly four months early, staying three months in the NICU, and we had a ton of medical bills back then!!) that if you make faithful payments to a medical goup/facility, they won't bother you...and sometimes, they'll even write off a little bit toward the end :)   The key is to be faithful - never late, and always, always, always pay what you can! 

    (p.s.  and I understand about husband's work insurance policies...my husband didn't have an option this year either.....it's expensive on our part, and our benefits are only so-so, but it's better than nothing!!)

    Good luck!!

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited January 2010

    I have the same question as sweatyspice---I have fed gov healthcare and all my treatment is covered.  Yes I have to pay stuff out of pocket but its not as much as most people I read about.

    To me, what people go through with insurance and sorting out coverage on breast cancer is exactly why we DO need a more national healthcare plan.

    take deep breathes.  you can figure out a way to get what you need. 

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