Radiation dose..?

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Is it the same everyday?  Today the machine ran longer than it has for the past 7 treatments.  I was thinking the beam was stuck on and then it did stop and techs acted like nothing was unusual.  Seemed to be 3x longer than the other times.

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  • redsox
    redsox Member Posts: 523
    edited January 2010

    Generally (but not always) the treatment is the same every day.  I was told that the machine had an automatic cutoff if something was wrong.  You could have a treatment shorter than usual.  Much longer is worth asking about.

  • somanywomen
    somanywomen Member Posts: 872
    edited January 2010
    Make sure the same techs are giving you your rads...They let a new tech, that I questioned as to her experience before I let her give me rad, I was assured she new what she was doing.....She did it wrong!!!...I almost jumped off the table (did not realize the table rises about 4' during rads), I yelled for her to stop!!...and then demanded my rad doc and they admitted she did it wrong, but of course they said that it was not enough of a difference to cause my any concern.....Right!!!..it's not their body on the table and having been through what we have been through and some of the attitudes of some docs, I say question anything that doesn't feel right!!...Ask for explaination today...Take nothing for granted!!!!!!
  • Macc
    Macc Member Posts: 23
    edited January 2010

    Definately ask why it was longer.

    Where I go they take xrays every 6/7 days so the process takes longer but they warn me when they do this and have to come in between each field to check something. Also, when this happens you can see the the little fingers on the machine open so that the picture can be taken.

  • mom2acat
    mom2acat Member Posts: 556
    edited January 2010

    I'm on my 4th round of radiation; chest wall in 2004, both hips and pelvis in 2007, left hip joint in Nov/Dec 2009, and now radiation to the spine. Each time, they always take 1 or 2 xrays once per week; it's not to see if the treatment is working, just to make sure everything is still lined up as it should be.

  • leighannmarie
    leighannmarie Member Posts: 100
    edited January 2010

    I asked.  They told me temp and humidity can change the machine and it may take longer to give the right dose.  It was longer today as well and we have had A Lot of humidity and fog since this weekend.  I get CTs every day and xrays once a week as well.  This is the beam running longer.  They told me it does have a safety that will shut it self off if something goes wrong.  Somanywomen, what did she do wrong and what happened for you to realize this?

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited January 2010

    The usual radiation dose for whole breast irradiation given as IMRT is 180 cGy each day, and most people get 28 fractions, for a total of 5040 cGy, for whole boost radiation, and the boost is electrons, given over 3-5 days for another 900-100 cGy.

    The fraction should be the same each day for each photon session and each electron boost session.

    I'm in agreement with Jo that the machines are in a controlled environment: I watch the techs where I work, and they are very careful in the set-up and I'll have to ask them why it would take longer one day.

    When I got rads, it was the same amount of time each day--although the boost was delivered in this room I called "the gulag"--the door slammed shut and it was clearly an older space.

    Weird to have gotten it, and work in the business...

    Here's a link to Gray and what it means--it's a radiation dose

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_%28unit%29 

    Kira 

  • leighannmarie
    leighannmarie Member Posts: 100
    edited January 2010

    Oh, I didn't know the boost was from a different machine.  They have the Elekta Synergy Linear Accelerator.  It is 2 years old.  I scan a card that tells the machine who I am and it finds he program for me.  The techs, as far as I know just do the CT and line me up.  The radiologist then double checks the alignment and makes final alignments remotely.  I get 2 fields.  One from the left and one from the right.  The beams go on three times per side. The first part is usually longer followed by 2 shorter blasts.  Does this all sound like what you all experienced?  The room is cold but, probably not the same temp everyday and they don't keep the door closed when not in use. The tech told me the machine knows what the dose is and the time is not related.  I have no idea what my dose is. I am getting 28 plus 5 boosts.

  • Macc
    Macc Member Posts: 23
    edited January 2010

    leighannmarie

    My boost is from the same machine as the full treatment. When I was having the full treatment I had two blasts per side. The rad onc told me that one was at a different depth to the other to avoid skin problems. I could hear the machine altering something in between. 3 blasts per side would be for the same thing I guess, depending on the shape of your breast.

    As for the length of time...I was told that my boost is for a longer time because, altho it is the same dose as the full breast treatment, there is a filter that reduces the dose so that it needs to be done for longer. This is to reduce the reaction to the skin. I had this longer, filtered blast on my neck nodes where the skin is thinner than the breast and you can hardly see where it was done. I have a red patch on my back tho where it came out...can't win!

    Good Luck with the rest of your treatment.

    Macc

  • leighannmarie
    leighannmarie Member Posts: 100
    edited January 2010

    Thanks.  I talked to the doc today and he double (said triple) checked everything that has been done and the dose has not changed and everything was done properly.  I will have the boosts on the same machine as well. 

  • somanywomen
    somanywomen Member Posts: 872
    edited January 2010
    leighannmarie, my rads were done on the Trilogy Radiation System, supposedly a state of the art newer system, where I would lay with arms over head in a personal body form...Then I would have 2 short set up rads and then 2 long about 20 seconds rads while holding my breath each rad (machine would move around me)...I was told this would spare my heart and lungs to a lesser degree...since my lump was on my left side....After the new tech assured me that she new my treatment plan, she just zapped me about 4 short times and then one really long one without telling me to hold my breath as they usually did with each rad of mine....I just screamed that she did not know what she was doing and even my Rad doc said she had not understood (even though they assured me 100%), I should have went with my gut and not let her do it...She was never allowed anywhere in my site for my last 20 visits after that....I had 2 grays a day with one on each side and the last 5 boosts being 2 grays which were divided up into 4 shorter rads just over my surgery area only.....Get to know your routine every day so you can ask when things are different from the day before....
  • leighannmarie
    leighannmarie Member Posts: 100
    edited January 2010

    Okay, thanks somanywomen.  My treatment is all computerized/robotic so the techs don't have to do the actual treatment.  I don't have to hold my breath. My tumor was on the right though. The longest beam run was no more than 20 seconds.  Just longer than the previous week.  There are 4 techs and always 2 working together.  I definately know my routine and the sounds associated with it.  I will continue to pay attention and ask the doc if I have more concerns.

  • redsox
    redsox Member Posts: 523
    edited January 2010

    It sounds like you are on top of the situation and handling it well.  The treatment machines have a record and verify system, so the doc doublechecking should make it a sure thing. 

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